What is it with WP?


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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
The thing i dont get is why other ppl dont like it... What things about this powerful will is it that im skipping?
For scrappers and especially for brutes, it is absolutely godly. A brute with two +recovery powers is a juggernaut.

For tankers, it's quite solid in terms of keeping you alive, but as several will note you may have problems because the taunt aura does not last very long. Knockback can cause issues. I've written a guide with suggestions as to how to work around this.



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I was just thinking, my main concern with /WP is the lack of a click self-heal.

So of course, when I get home I'll have to roll a DM/WP scrapper now.

*Shakes fist and curses altitis*
Oh, I see. You mean no self heal in the Secondary, so use one from the Primary. (I can dig it, I have a DM/Stone Brute I use to represent a shape changer with regeneration)

Still, at first I thought you misunderstood. It is STALKERS that get Reconstruction, not Scrappers.

And they get it in place of Rise to the Challenge.

This is not to say you may not prefer Reconstruction because it makes you more active. However, it's really just trading one "heal" for another, so I'm sure it's no stronger.


 

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Originally Posted by JanusFrs View Post
Ive been playing CoH 4 some time now, b4 I11 respectively, and i dont undrstand, why is it that so many ppl "hate" WP? I myself think it's a nice set, as it delivers the usual res, possibly a lil weak without SoW, a mezz prot, a def, a def nuke, a taunting aura (which is in my opinion cool as it is very unique), and then it has some special cookies (reg, rec, rez!)...

The thing i dont get is why other ppl dont like it... What things about this powerful will is it that im skipping?
Will Power looks like crap. It is too subtle. I want characters who have Energy, Fire, Ice, or some badass powerful prominent glow to them that makes them look formidable. Will Power has none of this. It is boring and quite frustrating because I would have made a WP long ago if the effects when you first activate the toggles remained on the character or the effects were similar to Invul. I wish the devs would have put more work into its appearance.

So WP is powerful, but all characters I see playing it look like crap when compared to my characters. There is no point playing a character that looks like crap.


 

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Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age View Post
Will Power looks like crap. It is too subtle. I want characters who have Energy, Fire, Ice, or some badass powerful prominent glow to them that makes them look formidable. Will Power has none of this. It is boring and quite frustrating because I would have made a WP long ago if the effects when you first activate the toggles remained on the character or the effects were similar to Invul. I wish the devs would have put more work into its appearance.

So WP is powerful, but all characters I see playing it look like crap when compared to my characters. There is no point playing a character that looks like crap.
It's not that they "didn't put work into its appearance," the minimal graphics is intentional because it's a "natural" set that uses the character's willpower and not supernatural powers. In fact it was also because all other sets have that huge visual appearance that they wanted something to give natural characters who didn't want to glow like the sun.

Two of my WP toons even run with with NoFX these days.


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It's not that they "didn't put work into its appearance," the minimal graphics is intentional because it's a "natural" set that uses the character's willpower and not supernatural powers. In fact it was also because all other sets have that huge visual appearance that they wanted something to give natural characters who didn't want to glow like the sun.

Two of my WP toons even run with with NoFX these days.
Well then they should not have had the so called natural set be so effective and unique unless they made a prominent set with the same powers. Then maybe it wouldnt be annoying. :/

You may destroy well on a Will Power, but you won't look good doing it.


 

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Well then they should not have had the so called natural set be so effective and unique unless they made a prominent set with the same powers. Then maybe it wouldnt be annoying. :/

You may destroy well on a Will Power, but you won't look good doing it.
Pfft, are you saying my characters don't look good? Cause I'd rather see them than a bright white/red/orange/purple/green glow.


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Pfft, are you saying my characters don't look good? Cause I'd rather see them than a bright white/red/orange/purple/green glow.
Seriously, if I could you wouldnt see my character at all with his toggles on. The Aura would be so ridiculously huge, like a 1000 foot radius, where all you see me as is a distant shape in the center.

Now that is a character. Not some subtle chump like a WP.


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Dark has toggle juggling that people mistake for layers, but really isn't. The massive heal is only viable with ToE +End and even then is not something to fall back on when going up against single opponents.
BWA HA HAHAHA.

... oh, were you serious?

A lot of the protection of Dark Armor is in Opp Gloom.
A lot of the protection of Dark Armor is in the resists.
A lot of the protection of Dark Armor is in the heal.
... yeah, I layered on Weave and a Steadfast Res/Def and Cloak of Darkness and a few IO's, so I've got some mild Defense as well, but you can practically do that with ANY character so I don't really count that as part of Dark Armor.

If you want to REALLY see Dark Armor look good, play Kat/Dark for the additional lethal/melee def. No, I meant play a Dark/En tanker for the stacked boss-stunning. No, I meant a Spine/Dark for the slows and auras. Remember, when you look at your endurance bar: Black goes with everything.


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Originally Posted by New_Dark_Age View Post
It is too subtle. I want characters who have Energy, Fire, Ice, or some badass powerful prominent glow to them that makes them look formidable. Will Power has none of this. It is boring and quite frustrating because I would have made a WP long ago if the effects when you first activate the toggles remained on the character or the effects were similar to Invul.
Have you tried this or this?


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Any defensive set less potent than granite is teh gimp



When I was starting to plan out how to IO my WP/Mace tank there was a wonderful mini-guide on the forums about the best way to make WP work, unfortunately it seems to have been eaten by the forum monster. I suppose I should try to write one of my own, since I know the ideas behind the guide, but basically, try to build for as much +regen and +hp as possible.

My WP/BA tank, has Capped HP. It's pretty nice. I have extra Regen too, not as much as some, but it's above and beyound what a WP NORMALLY has. One mob in range and i've got basic regeneration values slightly better then a regen scrapper (not using IH of course).

Between that, 70% S/L resistince, and 35% defence to nrg/elements (around about.) I can survive pretty much anything. Only time i ever really need to plan ahead is tanking LR for an STF. But afew purples and oranges hold me up long enought for the towers to drop.

Only real issue this guys has is argo control more then anything. RttC is a joke. Thank god for all my AoE's, but even with them, and taunt, keeping a whole spawns attation can be hard. AV's and small mobs, NP. But big groups? I lose alot. But, well, so long as i keep the BIG BADS at bay, the team normally does ok. lol


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Seriously, if I could you wouldnt see my character at all with his toggles on. The Aura would be so ridiculously huge, like a 1000 foot radius, where all you see me as is a distant shape in the center.
I am very glad you can't. Remind me to never give you a paintbrush.


 

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Well then they should not have had the so called natural set be so effective and unique unless they made a prominent set with the same powers. Then maybe it wouldnt be annoying. :/

You may destroy well on a Will Power, but you won't look good doing it.
Hmmm...my Spines/WP Scrapper seems to always have a purple glow. My namesake/main always seems to have a pink glow, and my SS/WP Brute has the no FX option.

Is the glow as much as INV or FIRE ARMOR? No. But I see it all the time, when the toggles are on.

And it was meant to be low graphics. That's what people were wanting. A low graphic set.

Personally, the glow never bothered me, even on natural concept toons, as I thought of the glow more as "just showing the toggles are activated" rather than "my hero is ACTUALLY glowing"...but some people can't get past that, and needed a no FX option.

I'm glad we got it the no FX option, don't get me wrong. Now I just decide...yes, the glow is part of the character or no it isnt.


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The one reason I dont like WP is because if you meet an opponent with a power that does mass -regen your practically screwed! in my prospective


 

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The one reason I dont like WP is because if you meat an opponent with a power that does mass -regen your practically screwed! in my prospective
The one reason I dont like attacks is because if you meat an opponent with a power that does mass -tohit your practically screwed! in my prospective



Hmm... sounds just as silly in a different context. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?


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The one reason I dont like attacks is because if you meat an opponent with a power that does mass -tohit your practically screwed! in my prospective



Hmm... sounds just as silly in a different context. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Your opponents are too meaty. Until you meet a less meaty opponent your prospective perspective may be screwed, skewed and tattooed. And that's just to start.


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The one reason I dont like WP is because if you meat an opponent with a power that does mass -regen your practically screwed! in my prospective
Isn't there a comic strip that does this to words? I think it's called Frank and Ernest. Malaprop Man!

Oh no. Another alt.


 

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Well, really, you shouldn't be meating them that fast.

Seriously. What ever happened to dinner and a movie first?


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Wow I typo ONE letter and you all get up in my computer screen Seriously is there something wrong with you?


 

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Wow I typo ONE letter and you all get up in my computer screen Seriously is there something wrong with you?
You can't laugh at yourself? Seriously, that was funny. You should laugh instead of complain that someone made a joke at what you wrote.


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Wow I typo ONE letter and you all get up in my computer screen Seriously is there something wrong with you?
Heh, there was more than one error in your post, and the content was ridiculous besides. Be glad that you only got the ribbing you did!


 

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Wow I typo ONE letter and you all get up in my computer screen Seriously is there something wrong with you?
If you'd prefer, I can insult you instead. I'd prefer not to, but I'm willing to oblige.

Like Strato said, laugh at yourself. If you can't, there's bound to be plenty others who will. Everybody makes typos. It comes with the territory. Whether you get all uppity about it or join in the silliness is up to you.


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Wow I typo ONE letter and you all get up in my computer screen Seriously is there something wrong with you?
It's more than one typo. What made it funny is the double entendre you managed to get. Here's your statement again:

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The one reason I dont like WP is because if you meat an opponent ... your practically screwed!
I'm not sure I'm allowed to explain this any further.

As for errors, besides the funny part, you had a couple others:

It's perspective, not prospective.
It's you're, not your.

But those two weren't why we posted.


 

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I wasn't even making fun of the spelling. I was laughing at the logic behind what he meant to post.


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As many have said, the main problem with WP is the ease of use. Toggle up and go. Few end issues and few HP issues if slotted correctly.

Side note, Im not really sure why those same people do not hate SR as you can obtain similar levels of godliness at the higher levels and there are no clickies to worry about.


 

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As many have said, the main problem with WP is the ease of use. Toggle up and go. Few end issues and few HP issues if slotted correctly.

Side note, Im not really sure why those same people do not hate SR as you can obtain similar levels of godliness at the higher levels and there are no clickies to worry about.
You'll be happy to know that I hate SR, too!

About the only melee characters I enjoy are the ones that have a lot of offensive mitigation, whether through mezzes, knockdown, PBAoE debuffs, or whatever. Flat-out offense, like damage auras and Shield Charge, are a close second. Active powers that are purely mitigation, like click heals and panic buttons, comes rather lower in third. Then, waaaaay below everything else at the bottom of the barrel are all of the Toggle Power Name: Self +Harder To Kill powers.

Thanks to this, I actually can enjoy characters with armor sets I find boring, if they have a lot of mitigation in their primary and need it to survive (see: my Stone/EA Brute.) I'd just as soon grab a secondary with damage auras, debuffs, control, and mezzes, though.


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