A Rant About i16 (undocumented changes to TFs lead to bugs...big surprise)

So does this mean we should be expecting some sort of change to the Hess TF sometime in the next few issues?

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Maybe it will become... a 5th Column TF. O_O

Remember that giant 5th (NOT Council!) Mek Man that appeared in the MA on the test server for a short time?

Or an alternate dimension version of the Hess TF.

Hmmm, I wonder if we'll ever see an alternate dimension of Paragon, as part of say, maybe an expansion, anytime soon?

Actually, he got forum banned. Threw a massive fit because the new moderators weren't Cuppajo, and were actually moderating things, if I'm recalling right. Hasn't cooled his feud with Zombie Man any either, so I wonder how long his return will last.

This.

Thank you, Devs

Wow, gee, I dunno. That would be a pretty bold move.....

Yeah. I was very surprised to see that this thread was brought back from the dead. I wish Ocho's closing post was still there too.

It is, you just can't see it -Mod08

If only the management at my office could grasp this. They seem to think we can perform full regression testing EVERY MONTH since we update our software product each month... with just two people.

Trust me, after having worked in software development for the last couple of years, I understand completely.

Thanks for letting us know.

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But I wants to sees it!

This^

Thanks alot for actually reading the thread and showing that you cared and taking responsibility for your work. It makes the work you do more respectable and restores trust and faith with us something that i think got lost in the events flea refrenced.

Flea is channeling Teh Ocho!

Thanks for being upfront about the whole thing and how it happened.

I think the locking and unlocking of the thread is fine as long as people refrain from ad hominem attacks and stay on topic.

However, since the redname posts have made it very clear what went awry, there isn't much left to go back and forth over. Thanks to all the rednames, including the mods, for being responsive and clearing things up.

PS. This is the ultimate thread necro.

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In which case, recognizing this reality, perhaps it's time we piped down and got on with the sucking up.

"Get on with the sucking it up" just seemed too awkward. I figured it would be fine to leave the "it" to be inferred from context, and from the quote. But, fine, have it your way:

In which case, recognizing this reality, perhaps it's time we piped down and got on with the sucking it up.

To clarify, the new players were referred to me by a global friend asking for some assistance on forming a TF (I do *a lot* of TFs). The new players were AE farmed before I got to them. I didn't ask the specifics, but if you want me to ask them, I suppose I can go back and see if they are still playing. My global friend knew I could fill up the task force quickly with experienced hands.

In today's CoX, level 30 and even the 40s can be achieved in a couple of days by most teams/farms/PLs, for good and bad. From what I remember I think these folks were 40-42ish.

I chose KHTF since it was a short TF, as I had a hami raid to attend in an hour. Since I had a personal target time of less than 30 minutes to finish the TF and get into the Hive (max 1 hour or the Hive would have filled up and I'd be SOL), my choices were Eden (9), Hess (21), ITF (25), 5TF (21) and KHTF (20). Outside choices would be Manti (42), Numina (45), and Cavern (12). Didn't bother with Ouros TFs. The bracketed numbers are the average number of minutes that my teams can finish the TF in.

Task Forces that required too much ghosting wouldn't be fun for new folks/non stealthers, and ones that had too much going on, ie defeat alls or defeat X would mean that the team would probably be moving too fast for their skill level. Slowing down would have breached my time constraints. ITF was out then.

Eden was too short to have much fun for them, Hess (didn't know it was bugged at that time) and 5TF requires significant explaining about the whys and wherefores in order to do it under 25 min, so that was out.

LGTF (24)/STF (41) needs 45+ so it was no go anyhow, regardless of complexity. Cavern was too boring (single mish, not much to do).

KHTF was the best choice, since they got to face down 10 AVs in the first mission, and didn't require that they move from mob to mob so I could watch them. The second mission I could ghost and vet tp them to the end mob, and the third defeat all mission was a small map. The final escort was normally easy anyhow, and not everyone needed to be present to rescue Katie's Spirit.

I wanted to show them content outside of AEs...they wanted to know what a TF was like, and 'real' content. And yes, having new folk see buggy things does bolster the initial complaint because they shouldn't be Beta testers, nor should I, on the Live servers.

PS. It is also why I was miffed, since we had to abandon the TF as opposed to waiting for resolution, since sitting around for 20 minutes without support coming (not that I blame support for not coming before then) meant that 5 of the 8 team members had to leave to get into the Hive, which made them feel like jerks for abandoning the TF for their Hami commitments.