from what i read, fargonrob is using the market as a store rather then a bidding market. i think he suffers from the IWANTITNAO syndrome. if this is the only game he plays then i don't see him loosing out by placing a bid and leaving it for a couple days or so and then raising his bid slowly every couple days to a point that he is comfortable with.
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Then let him pay the "IWANTITNAO" tax.
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
i think he suffers from the IWANTITNAO
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Originally Posted by macskull
You do realize that making purples bind-on-pickup (as obtained to the quasi bind-on-equip IOs use now, in that you can remove the via respec) will make them more rare, not less, and that it will be harder, not easier, to complete a set that will be useful to your character?
QUOTE] If they were blind when they drop, and you can then choose what they are when you slot them, then the rare drops would be useful, since you would not have to worry about whcih one's dropped. You could then have a set, be it rare and hard, that would work for you without having to sell your life to the game. Making them non-transferable would be the key. |
If I get a purple I can't/don't want to use on one alt (it's happened), I want to be able to either move it to an alt who needs it, store it for later, or possibly sell it. Making it non-transferrable essentially makes it junk.
Moreover, think about it. If it's non-transferrable, you can't buy one off the market then. You have to farm your....butt....off in the hopes that you get ONE. There are people who've been playing here YEARS who've only ever dropped one or two purples.
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This is simply proof that you don't know what the hell you're talking about and need to shut up and think through the situation without the excessive greed and envy currently infecting your "thought" process.|
Originally Posted by FargonRob
I wonder how many that want to keep the ultra rare purples the way they are, are in fact RMT's.
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I've been playing over a year. In that time I've had four (COUNT EM) purple drops in total. All of them in Issue 12. On all of my characters, I have exactly 17 purples (all on my main's primary build).
How?
Some were bought with the inf generated from the purples I had dropped but couldn't use.
Some were bought with inf generated from marketing.
Some were bought with inf generated from farming, as well as regular play.
In reality, the ones I didn't get as drops and slot were all actually bought with money from a combination of all three of the above things.
In other words, I WORKED FOR THEM.
Again, YOU are the one setting the price (why it's an AUCTION house), not the seller.
So kindly take your accusations of being an RMT'er and cram them, man up, and let go of the ill disguised envy.
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Yep. Catwhoorg has 25 Purple IOs slotted. Across all of my alts I doubt I have seen 25 recipes drop personally.
Of course then there is the respec issue. With a brand new APP for scrappers, what I have swap say web grenade (immob) and shuriken (ranged), for fire blast (ranged) and Char (hold).
Web grenade and char take totally different sets. Right now anything is transferable or sellable. Having say 5 'junk' purples that are soulbound and cant be used by anyone else is not a route I want to go near.
Then there is the fact that when I do get drops, like the 2 I have luckily scored this week, thats sell for top inf, and buy a whole slew of 'lower' quality sets, like crushing impacts or doctored wounds.
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
Some of the market forum regulars were in the Closed Beta where purples were first released (I know that I was and I know that Uberguy was also). We brought up market concerns regarding both drop rates AND drop pool and were pretty much ignored then they were released and the predicted behavior occured.
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight
The same thing happened with the rewards on AE (I was in the closed beta for that and so were many of the other market forum regulars Uberguy, Smurphy, and Catwhoorg are some that I saw for sure. We knew what effect the AE would have on the market, told the devs in closed beta, and again were ignored (until now when in typical dev fashion the nerf bat has swung, swung hard, and gone too far in the opposite direction.)
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There is a reason why I have been less active in betas recently, Part of it is burn out, part of it is that my objective insight into things like rewards have been basically ignored.
My last big beta 'project' was the merits analysis and collation. Lookie whats happened there, story arcs have been 'bumped' up twice in median rewards since that analysis and discussion.
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Originally Posted by FargonRob
I wonder how many that want to keep the ultra rare purples the way they are, are in fact RMT's.
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The market forum regulars are probably the most helpful sub-population (toss up between here and the base builders) if you are actually seeking help and are willing to listen.
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Cat's right. Market peeps will try to help you make inf. But i agree with the OP as the market people know. I don't and won't buy purples to fuel the greed in CoH. That means i farm, ALOT. Every purple i have slotted came from drops. I feel ya pain OP, it sux, but the market forums isn't the best place to complain about drops because they're all into making inf and that defeats their purpose for playing.
If you want purples, your best bet is farm alot or sell EVERYTHING from salvage to recipes to save up and pay their prices, imo.
You dont need purple to enjoy the game at a high level... my very first and second toons.. A Stone/Mace Tank and a Kat/Inv Scrapper are STILL only have ++SO's and I run them just fine.
Not having the upper bling/bling does not stop you from enjoying the game, only your perception does that
During the time between AE's release and I16 purples became almost mega rare (assuming mega is greater than ultra) because 1) Players did less content that dropped purples and 2) Players had huge amounts of currency from farming AE. So what we had was a high demand for purples (as always) but a very low supply, mix in inpatient players with wealthy toons and viola!
I have noticed over the past few days the number of purple sale transactions have increased and the prices are beginning to drop a little. It seems the dev smackdown of AE has players doing normal content again.
Once the devs admit there is a mission difficulty drop rate issue and address it, I think we will see a surge of purples on the market. Unfortunately they can not do anything to address the impatient players that will pay over top dollar for items.
Who do I have to *&^% around here to get more Targeted AoE recipes added?
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They could also take one of their bean counters in the marketing department and put him on staff in charge of the market
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I'm a slightly more than casual player. I have never had a single purple as a drop since they were introduced, and even I don't even think they are too rare.
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Originally Posted by FargonRob
Most of my toons don't have Purples, some don't even have a full set of IO's and no sets. It's just that when you introduce something like this into a game, they need to be obtainable. I do not find them, I have run and run and only had 2 drop. The one's for one toon I have I had to buy and yea that raises the prices.
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My warshade has had 7 drop in the past two weeks and I bought 3 others for far less than their last 5 prices were showing by placing my bids and waiting.
So I have obtained them via both means available to us.
And most of mine don't have any purples eithers. Since most of them aren't level 50 and even the 11 50s I do have only 3 have any purples slotted.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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It will certainly earn him my "special award".
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
In my opinion coming out with accusations like this against regular and frequently helpful players should earn you a board ban.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Regarding "manipulating the games money system/egregious exploits", remember that every Inf someone doing marketing has earned MUST come from someone willing to pay that price. Everyone on this forum will have a tale of when they put something up for too high a price and nobody would buy it so they took it down and ate the listing fee. There have been exploits to earn Inf at different points, but those weren't market related, they were from game bugs, and I strongly suspect that most of the Inf most of the people in the *market* forum earned was in fact, from the markets. |
Originally Posted by FargonRob
Humm, well, I have done most of the task forces, as have other friends of mine, done most of what your have suggested and other than a Real Money Trader, I have heard no one that's been as versed in how to manipulate the games money system as you seem to be.
These techniques your mentioning are just egregious exploits based on the outcome you have mentioned. |
Regarding how easy purples should be to get, we have an indirect yardstick. If you spend X hours running TFs or doing story arcs (say, via Oroborou) you earn enough merits to buy a recipe. If you use those merits to buy a particularly valuable one, say a LotG recharge or Miracle unique, you can usually find something that will sell for around 100M in the market. That will buy any of the cheaper purples in the market with plenty to spare, and a couple of those will buy any of the more expensive purples if you wait a week or two (last I knew).
The devs have said that to directly buy purples with merits would be "so high people wouldn't/couldn't do it". Isn't it fortunate that thanks to farmers out there willing to put purples on the market you can get them for on the order of 500 merits? I know I'm darned glad of that, since despite playing my 50s a fair amount since I9 I've *never* had a purple drop, so I'm entirely reliant on the markets for the couple dozen I have on various characters (mostly the cheap ones, mind you).
And given the devs statements, if they did make purples directly purchasable with merits, it would be at a lot higher price then 500 merits.
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I might also toss the scrapper forum math wizards in as well, but aside from that, yeah. If you're poor, it's because you are simply too lazy to get off your duff and learn even one of the (extremely easy) ways to make money in this game.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
The market forum regulars are probably the most helpful sub-population (toss up between here and the base builders) if you are actually seeking help and are willing to listen.
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Which part of the phrase 'ultra-rare' do you not understand? I've been playing for 63+ months and I can't say I remember ever having one drop. I've bought a few though.
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Originally Posted by FargonRob
I never said they were needed. They just should not be so unobtainable.
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I have a question for the OP:
Why do you think everyone should be able to have purple IOs? What task do you want to do with purples that cannot be done without them?
It's like stating that 100k salary shouldn't be so unobtainable and everyone should have that just because someone else gets that much money. You have to understand that it's a capitalism based system we're talking about here, not communism.
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Ok, we all know there are issues with this topic some valid and well some ..right on out there. As i see it these days things are rough xp wise as well as inf and prestige wise. A few of the other people who posted here mentioned some obvious points about what happened with purples.
As for gameplay,with the market at its current standing..you could spend a whole toons lvling to 50 and still not afford the basic sets (oranges or travel i/o's and some of the nice bonus sets that are yellow).Standard i/o's are great..but quite a few need updating severly
Look, real simple with all the changes,all the complaining at each other yadda yadda aint the issue. Trying to make this game more attractive to new players and old should be the devs first thing to look at. Maybe making some things more attainable would be good. As far as i say i been on both sides of the coin ..gameplay and well tf over and over..ae too, we are all guilty there. We all are screaming for new content for such drops.
but ya got a system now that fails on a epic scale.
just a thought from yer friendly neighborhood vesty
If they put purples as Merit options (250/300 Merits) it would actually encourage people to...
Dare I say it...
PLAY THE GAME!?
Rather than farm farm, farm, farm farm farm farm
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Or alternatively, with the slightest bit of effort at competent marketeering (I don't even mean flipping, but just selling things at a good price and buying the stuff you need as low as possible) you could end up with 200mil+ at 50. Easily.| you could spend a whole toons lvling to 50 and still not afford the basic sets (oranges or travel i/o's and some of the nice bonus sets that are yellow) |
Just for reference, my SD/DM tank dinged 50 with 250mil liquid inf and 700some merits. No influence transferred at any point.
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Please define the game and why your version is more correct than mine.|
Originally Posted by Raccoon_
If they put purples as Merit options (250/300 Merits) it would actually encourage people to...
Dare I say it... PLAY THE GAME!? Rather than farm farm, farm, farm farm farm farm |
I play the game when I smash ten thousand nemesis purple farming. I play the game when I run radio missions. I play the game when I run strikeforces.
If I am logged into a character using powers Guess what?
I'm playing the game.
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Originally Posted by Raccoon_
If they put purples as Merit options (250/300 Merits) it would actually encourage people to...
Dare I say it... PLAY THE GAME!? Rather than farm farm, farm, farm farm farm farm |
As for the 250/300 merits price you list, I think the devs would laugh in your face. They stated they didn't include merits being able to buy purples because the price would be too high in merits.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Making them non-transferable would be the key.
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