Mezz Protection for All!

But the role of tankers, etc. is the ACTIVELY draw that aggro. My emp standing in back may get mezzed, but I am not drawing it to me. Understand now?

Odd, all the blasters I have seen and even the all blaster TFs that I have been on with my blaster are more closer to reality (like the all blaster LGTF we have completed - any mezzers in that TF by any chance?)
So I am ahead of you there and "asked around" before I posted.
And again, it isn't unpleasent to die from mezzing like you are making it sound. Maybe if you played a blaster, you would know about DEFv2.0 - you can still attack and defeat mobs. That is reality.

Bad decisions like opening with a comparatively low damage immoblize on a mezzer instead of an APP hold, or a high damage alpha followed up by the second heaviest hitter which you should be able to queue and get off before the mezzer lands the first mez.

I don't really know why you would do it any other way.

Ok in his case, which is a case I know well because its my first, my namesake, and one that I leveled up well before everything got much easier, his choices for high damage alpha are psy scream and psy tornado and they just don't cut it even with aim and build up. The only technique i have found that is close to effective with dangerous spawns while soloing is pulling off individuals and defeating the spawn in detail.

Edit: He could use psychic shockwave and tornado but that would be very silly.

If I were fighting a spawn of 1 mezzer, and 2 minions, on a psi/psi blaster, I would open with Aim+Buildup Will Domination on the mezzer, followed with TK blast, those (on a defender, I believe it's the same on a blaster) register their damage one after the other in this fashion and will domination's sleep still takes effect. That should either kill the lieutanant, or take him down enough so that if he mezzes you he's out of hte fight with the sleep, you can then take down the 2 minions with the first two attakcs until the mez is done, at which point, you can mop up the floor witht he rest. Both are better openers solo than Psi nado and Psi Scream.

If you get a spawn of 1 mezzing lt and 2 non mezzing minions its the exception not the rule.

In the situation you describe it would have to be tk blast then will dom as any damage will break the sleep.

Scrappers (and tankers and brutes) scale better as the spawns get larger, harder (more bosses, Lts.), and higher level? That is a pretty good advantage. The armored ATs have a few other powers besides mez protection.

Ran the Gunslinger boss test with my Kat/Regen scrapper and my Fire/Fire/Flame blaster. Both are level 50, both are IOd out (although the scrapper is IOd out for concept, whereas the blaster is IOd out for survivability/endurance). My blaster has trouble, but succeeds as often as she fails. The scrapper never succeeded. I got close a few times, maybe the extra +regen I lost due to lack of Integration would have made a difference sometimes; it's hard to say.

I would have to say it would be more difficult to play almost all armored toons without mez protection than it is to play almost all non-armored ones. Armored toons really seem to need the mez protection, whereas most squishies can get by without it.

It breaks down some vs. the new difficulty settings. I know no one makes anyone run at any difficulty setting. I understand not everyone will be able to run at higher difficulty settings. But if I can run at difficulty X on one character, I (sort of) feel I should be able to run at least close to difficulty X on any character (as long as those characters have similar levels of IO investment). This is not the case and mez protection is a one reason, but not the only reason. That being said, I only sort of feel like some of my squishies are lacking. It can be frustrating that when I want to smash extremely hard content solo, I have to switch to certain characters (but at the same time, variety is good, so I like that some sets are more team oriented; I can't handle my own dichotomies).

You keep saying this over and over to people that apparently do play blasters. I know I certainly do play blasters and have done some interesting things with them.

Let me just look over my blasters

Black Leather Angel PSI/Ment/Munitions 50 Protector
Megaera Fey Arch/Ment/Elec 50 Protector
Psi Phyre Fire/Ment/Force 50 Protector 1:18 Positron run solo no deaths I14,Pylon solo in 7 minutes
Modesty Saint AR/Ment/Elec 50 Protector
Icy Tone Ice/Ice/Cold 50 Protector
Tammy Gunn' Ar/Em/Munitions 50 Protector
Artemis Fey Arch/Dev 34 Protector
Energy Gail Sonic/Energy/Cold 50 Protector
Icy Meme Ice/Ment/Elec 50 Freedom


Now all I can say is so far your argument consists of being rude and telling people learn to play when its pretty obvious that you need to play a blaster a little more yourself.

As are your replies being just as rude, hence my replies. You jumped on for no reason. It is not obvious I don't need play a blaster, have mine from July 2004 TYVM, plus a large number of so-called squishies w/o mezz protection. So yes, learn to play is very appropriate.

I have seen you tell people what is and isn't unpleasant. Your single response is learn the joys of defiance 2.0 and whenever someone disagrees with you you tell them they need to play the at.

What this thread has shown is that Mezz protection is not an I win/I lose button. We have had examples of squishies with melee protection in various forms (Dominators/ Masterminds/ Blasters) it is obviously not an I win button for them. We have had examples of Melees without mezz protection (/Fire) and for them it hasn't been an I lose button.

So yes when you jump on your High Horse and tell people learn to play or that they want an i win button its rude and just plain ignorant of what has been posted in the thread.

actually it's not rude or ignorant. it is telling people who whine that they want an easier game to actually use the tools they have been given for dealing with a situation. in fact the only ones that are being rude and ignorant are the ones who fail to listen to the advice and keep insisting that mez is a problem or advocating that melee should have their mez protection removed or dropped down. with so many of us saying that there is no problem and so little of you saying there is, then maybe it is really time to look at how you approach spawns on your squishies.

When you resort to describing someone that disagrees with you as a whiner you have stepped over the line into the land of RUDE thank you very much. The rest of your post is little more than learn to play. Which is a complete failure to listen to what has been said in this thread in terms of what is available and what might be done. Its as if you believe that if you say something often enough and loud enough anyone that disagrees with it must be wrong.

Why don't you look back and read before posting. I was replying to the fact that someone used an immobilize on a mezzer rather than their big attacks. And that some people are so concerned on "missing".
So yes, those players aren't showing an understanding on how to play a blaster when they know immobilize will NOT take out mezzer and the mezzer is still free to attack and that they themselves are free to attack the lowly mins via DEFv2.0 since the mezzer is immobilized. Understand now?

Oh it is okay for them to say what is unpleasant instead? I see, so you are on the high horse now. It isn't. I "asked around" like you said, so I got the experience.

I will be simple for you then. Look at my fire/rad corr with OFFENSIVE toggles. When they are up, I clean the floor with mobs around me. A single mezz to drop those toggles, and I am in trouble. Now with status protection, I never have to worry about my toggle dropping while I am in mid-animation. I am completely safe. Or my thugs/PD MM. If my pets get in trouble and I can't heal them because I am mezzed, then my pets die and then me shortly afterwards. Now with status protection, I can keep on healing away in complete safety in BG mode. All in all, an I win button.

So status protection on top of the tools these so-called squishies without mezz protection have (debuffs, heals, buffs, and so forth) would be an I win button because almost nothing would hurt them once they get the powers in place (like the rad example above) - understand now?

I agree. Stamina is not nearly as "mandatory" to play the game as most people seem to think it is. I have many characters that are in the upper 30s and 40s that do not have Stamina and do not have problems with Endurance during fights.

Conversely, when you ignore the numerous methods of dealing mezzing mobs and insist that mezzers are an insurmountable problem, you are also showing yourself to be rude and ignorant of what has been posted in the thread.

I suppose I could have made that the TL;DR version and just say Pot meet Kettle.

incase you haven't read any of the thread, which i believe you haven't, i have been one of the ones who has given many a solution to dealing with mezzers. you are one of the ones who is insisting that mezzes are imsurmountable. you choose to disregard any of the solutoins that have been given to you and keep whining. if you have been around for as long as you say you have, then you should already know what can be done to deal with the mezzers. as for the saying something long enough line of bs, maybe you are the one who should be asking yourself if that is what you believe.

Mezz Protection for All! 10-07-2009 10:36 AM idiot

so you give me this after saying that discussing it does not include calling people names and attacking their intelligence. gee, got me there lol.

Must be nice to have a group you feel the need to fight on the boards. For the sake of clarity and accuracy I have said mezzes pose a difficulty for some squishies not all and having an optional means of gaining passive protection for them would not be game breaking.

I have also run tests that are still incomplete on the effect that mezzes have on the speed of squishies performance and those of ATS running similar content.

You have both misstated my position and accused me of whining so please understand why I consider you to be rude.

See above. But good to see that arguing with people and positions that don't exist remains a popular past time on these boards.

Taking your advice I did.

What I found was you contradicting yourself and misstating your positions.


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Yes I do get to say what is unpleasant for me.

Try putting the WHOLE quote instead of cherry picking. In keeping this simple, I was referring him being upset at having words put in his mouth then he turns around and does it - understand now or will just be selective and miss the whole picture?

Now the part that YOU put in was about me referring to my fire/rad corruptor. Here is a link for you to read on Radiation Emission for corruptors. Notice RI and EN. They are toggles that hit. I will NOT miss with them. The animations can keep me in one place and therefore get mezzed and the toggles drop because they are OFFENSIVE. Fire is a great power for damage. Combine it with rad toggles and scourge, I waste mobs like crazy. Hence, if I can't be mezzed, what will stop me? aka I win button. I said this already in this thread already if you even read any of it.

There is no contradictions there and you are failing to read the context of the post and cherry picking again. In keeping this simple again, I originally was referring to a player using an immobilize on a mezzer, something that will not prevent the mezzer from attacking. The next poster said:
You are NOT a statue in a way shape or form. You can still attack. Anyone who has played a blaster would know this. Hence, saying you are a statue then implying you are dead next indicates a lack on knowing how to play a blaster - understand now? Additionally, any player would know that an immobilize is not a high damage attack and not something for the alpha (referring to the other poster) - see how they are linked - no contradictions like you making up.

Ah, but that is not what you said:
You were telling me what is unpleasant, not what is unpleasant for you.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

No, it's actually not. What Futurias portrays is pure exaggeration. I know you know better than that. I'm actually quite surprised you are taking the positions you are in this thread.

Any debate in this thread must be based around what a solo player would encounter on base difficulty settings. Neither you nor I play on those settings much, if at all, and I think much of your position is based on your tendency to run at higher difficulty.

I'd say the mere fact that you are proud of your blaster that can speed run Positron TF's solo while also claiming that squishies have difficulty dealing with status effects, pretty much invalidates your whole position. Not to mention coming across as a bit hypocritical.

Yeah, I unsubscribed to this thread a while ago, and I have to say after popping back in here, it sure took a turn for the worse.

ETA: I went ahead and reported the thread for review.

Good, I couldn't find Mod 08 on the Dev Digest, else I woulda done it myself.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.