Mezz Protection for All!

Well, it's pretty much true. Either they die by the end of the RoF (with maybe one more Fire Breath or Fire Ball to clean up) or I got mezzed and I'm down before the mez drops. That's pretty much how it rolls. Either way the fight's over.

That mimics my experience on my Dark/Dark corruptor. Either the 2nd set of Tents/Nightfall drop the spawn (or the first set if my team has other AoE besides mine) or something bad happens and I die. Whether that's just because Fearsome Stare missed (or I sucked at lining it up) or I get mezzed and lose DN or the enemy just gets lucky, fights do not last 45 seconds normally, even against +2s.

I do love Howling Twilight as an AoE stun though and would encourage people to use it as such.

I've recently experienced repeated instances where my 45-second and one-minute recharge powers become available again while I'm still fighting the original spawn. Had it happen this weekend on a Task Force; I'd gather the bad guys with my Shield Tanker, pop off Build Up and Shield Charge (both 46 second recharge powers) and have them become available again while foes were still alive. And we had two Blasters (one of them Fire) and a Rad debuffer on the team. It certainly can happen.

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Originally Posted by Sailboat I've recently experienced repeated instances where my 45-second and one-minute recharge powers become available again while I'm still fighting the original spawn... [SNIP] ...And we had two Blasters (one of them Fire) and a Rad debuffer on the team. It certainly can happen.

I think that's who was responsible for what you experienced. Check out Accelerated Metabolism from the Radiation Emission power set.

No, it's isn't getting proliferated to controller/dominators because it's a hybrid set that has almost as much control (though not as hard) with almost as much buff/debuff as any other Defender primary.

The devs took one look at Illusion/Dark and knew it would be very, very broken. (And then made sure there was an NPC that does have it and is pretty broken.)

Are you still soloing at x4?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know why dark hasn't been proliferated yet, because the devs haven't said. I suspect it's for these and more reasons, but I'm really tired of, in this thread and others, people speaking as if they have some authority of why something is or isn't without dev support.

At least when I speak I'm saying what I think. I'm not saying what devs think.

Yes. As previously stated, x4 is only a problem with heavy-mezzing Longbow. Rikti don't mez as much as Longbow does; this Corruptor can run against Rikti at x4 with little difficulty.

So let me see if I understand this correctly. You are able to handle almost any enemy group in the game at x4, a setting which never existed prior to this issue, and which the devs have described as a setting for players that want a "challenge", and now you ask for the game mechanics to be changed to make it easier for you because of one enemy group?

Yep. Perfectly logical.

So why are you fighting for mez protection instead of a reduction in ability for Longbow? Seriously, Rikti have just as many mez opportunities as longbow...actually I believe they have more because don't Rikti Minions all have a chance to stun?

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I believe many do, at least. But it's a smaller chance, and shorter stun - in my experience, any way. I occasionally got stunned running against Rikti, but it wore off quick enough that it rarely ended the fight.

I'm sure you'd be a lot more accepting and approving of a "Nerf Longbow" thread.</sarcasm>

Longbow simply illustrates the problem - mezzes ending fights. Longbow's mezzes are particularly long and frequent compared to other enemy groups, but the problem isn't actually Longbow - it's the mezzes. Lucky mez chains from other groups create the same problem, it's just not as consistent a problem as with Longbow, and thus probably easier to overlook for people concentrating on the Hero game. I might go down 1 in 10 on other groups with some mezzes, and 1 in 2 or 3 on Longbow, because Longbow's mezzes hit more and last longer.

I'd like to be able to patch up that hole in my build with IOs, like most other holes in the game can be patched with IOs. I don't think it's an unreasonable request.

On a team, one spawn, 45 seconds, +2s or lower. I do not play your way and I hope I never have to.

Edit: OK, maybe I am being more snarky than I need to be. I certainly have had some spawns on bigger teams that might take 45 seconds (Rezzing enemies can make that happen pretty quick). But its still abnormal. My point is simply, that even with slotting, HT is an every 3 or 4 spawn power normally.

From before

I wonder why ?

for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap [Gal. 6:7]

But you said you didn't have any problems with any other group except for Longbow. So if that's the case isn't that argument better suited for saying "Longbow are too hard" than for a reduction of mez across the board? I just asked this and you simply told me the mez Rikti provide you with isn't heavy enough, but those mez durations are pretty standard. It's not like Malta's huge stuns or Longbows (I'm taking your word that they're long, I don't remember one way or the other)....so huh?

If you have *no* problem with anyone else, and it's not a systemic problem as you seem to suggest, then mez isn't the crippling effect that you suggest. I would suggest that it's the mez along with the other wonderfully tasty Longbow effects, like the -res grenade.

By "no problems" I meant "undue problems". I get defeated now and then, and almost always because a mez lands. Running at x4, I expect to be defeated every now and then of course, but over time the trend comes out: it's the mezzes. The mezzes are why I fail, pretty much every time (sometimes it's just a bad streak or I do something stupid, but mostly it's the mezzes.)

Longbow has high damage, -defense, and long mezzes. The combo of the three leads to far more frequent than should happen defeats, but my experience with my /Traps MM tells me that where the true problem lies is with the mezzes. The damage and -defense isn't enough to take down the /Traps MM, who has protection against the mezzes.

Throughout all my experience, it's the mezzes that are the operative factor. My characters with some form of mez resistance operate at about the level I'd expect super heroes and super villains to operate. Those without mez protection tend to feel just a tad more sidekick-y and weak than they should. It's clear to me that the problem is mez hole, and thus the solution is mez protection.

I'm not asking for an inherent, or even power pools to correct the problem. I want something optional - IOs. IOs and IO sets exist to fill most other holes in the game, be they defence holes, recharge holes, travel speed holes, etc. There are even IOs that exist to fill the KB hole that exists in several sets of mez protection for those that do have it. So all I want is parity - a chance to fill the mez protection hole several characters have with the use of IOs.

I can get 15 KB protection through IOs (21 if I include PvP sets). Is KB somehow more annoying or more a problem than Stuns, Holds, and Sleeps that I can't even get 4 points of those in the same way?

Let me say this slowly and maybe you will understand me.

You. Are. At. x4. Difficulty.

It. Is. Meant. To. Be. A. Challenge.

You. Have. Not. Addressed. These. Points. Anywhere. Despite. The. Question. Being. Brought. Up. Several. Times.

Why. Should. You. Be. Able. To. Attempt. A. x4. Challenge. Without. Much. Difficulty.?

No, you know what? I'm tired of this argument. Forget it. You win. You deserve mez protection. You deserve to almost never die on something that's supposed to be a challenge. You deserve to never be frustrated while fighting spawns for 4+ team members. You deserve whatever, because I no longer care. And because if I have failed to convince you that having trouble at +2 x4 by now I never will.

Why you feel that you should almost never die against these kinds of difficulty settings is beyond me, and why you would go with your cup open and ask for something to make it easier is also beyond me. Should the devs give it, fine. Whatever.

+0x4, for the record.

IOs exist to make characters able to take challenges. That's why the game is not balanced or designed around IOs. At the base game, the need for mez protection on all characters is much less. For the challenge game, the expanded difficulty options, that is precisely what IOs are for.

Anything up to +2x2, which was old Invincible, might still be considered "base game", though I'm sure the game is still balanced around Heroic, +0x0. Problems at that level should not necessarily be addressed by IOs.

Problems above that, however, absolutely should be addressed by IOs. That's why we were given IOs - to take on greater challenges and boost our characters beyond the "base level". I simply can't understand why asking for IOs to address the challenge game - IO level play - is unreasonable.

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Of course, the issue also crops up in team play, which is an entirely different issue.

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Oh, and should I mention my Tanker, who takes +2x8 without difficulty, +3x8 without much difficulty, and +4x8 with just a little difficulty? Are you saying that Tankers are automatically more "super" than Corruptors? Or Defenders, Blasters, or any other "squishy", for that matter?

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Originally Posted by Futurias No, it's isn't getting proliferated to controller/dominators because it's a hybrid set that has almost as much control (though not as hard) with almost as much buff/debuff as any other Defender primary.

You thought I meant for Dark Miasma to be proliferated as a primary Control set? Did I even mention Dominators at all? What are you talking about here? How can Dominators get Dark Miasma?

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Originally Posted by Futurias The devs took one look at Illusion/Dark and knew it would be very, very broken. (And then made sure there was an NPC that does have it and is pretty broken.)

Didn't I say Controllers would be overpowered with Dark Miasma? I thought it would be obvious to all that the only way Dark Miasma would be proliferated to Controllers would be as a secondary power-set. From your response, I guess I was wrong in my assumption.

Only on teams that refuse to use the tools that are open to them and open to all.

Simple question for you: Do you feel that every AT and powerset combination in the game should be able to handle every difficulty level and every situation with equal success?

Just how did you manage that ? Tried that street sweeping in pi today (antimatter arc) and they repeatedly handed me my head

It's been my experience too, but maybe he has more recharge in his build so he's able to get more of those attacks out? Me, I just did the same thing on my blaster so meh. Maybe I can take some video.

No. But its possible the variance could be a bit less than it currently is.