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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
Gee,i dont think that any suggestion that I,or anyone else made,plays with this crowd.Is it something to just tear down to make yourselves feel better,or something?
I think that people like you all make "Suggestion and Ideas" a gigantic joke thread. Is it that,or do you just want to not loose your ability to save "No" ober and over and over" ..and,i suppse that,just like AE farming,(May the high one bless it)people who refuse,and not team with each other constantly,over and over,and over,is one of the things ruining this game in my opinion,and also,people who ignore each others tells for teaming is another. ..and as far as being the one that people dont like to take team invites from,Lost Ninha?I'm not really a big fan of people to begin with Ninja.There loyalties and love are like granola bars..flaky.Who cares what they think,Ninja? What would happen if people were to say no,over and over to suggestions made in thsi thread,like they do in the game?It would pretty much be decommissioned due to lack of interest. |
One of it's side effects is: It tends to point out how your idea isn't as awesome as you thought it was.
And no, I HAVEN'T gone through constant refusals from ANYONE, because I only team when I feel like it. I supposed that makes me a dirtbag liar?
What I got out of this, and the OP is a not-so-cleverly disguised version of "WAAAAAAH!! I CAN'T FIND A TEAM!! MAKE THEM TEAM WITH ME!!!"
Your idea is to force people to team that don't want to so they can get rewards for it, and it's a bad idea. As I'm sure you've noticed, this section of the forums is NOT shy about telling someone when their idea sucks.
I and many others, LIKE the fact that we are not required to be on a team to accomplish things. Your idea would kill the enjoyment people like us get out of doing things by ourselves.
Your next argument of "If you want to solo, play a single player console game" falls flat before you even make it. Even the most hardcore soloist enjoys playing on a team occasionally, which is impossible in a single player game.
You seem to have this notion that because you asked someone they HAVE to accept your invite. Wake up pal, it's not all about you.
Edit: Well said Sam. You were coming from the same place as me there....
...only you were a lot nicer about it. I'm honestly tired of being nice to people who have insulted me for disagreeing before I have even spoken.
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can i just send the shark after him? pretty please with whip cream and cherries and stuff on top.
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Claws, Sam (the smart Sam not the Sledge-hammer-to-the-head Sam) I agree wholeheartedly!
EDIT: Oh, And Sharker, May I use that quote in my Sig, please... thanks ;D :
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Seriously? Is this a joke thread?
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Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
i'm going to say this as nicely as i can for the 3rd time... STOP WITH THESE STUPID SUGGESTIONS ABOUT TEAMING! you have a terrible attitude and i'm sure that is what is getting to the people in game. there is absolutely no reason to have incentives for teaming in a game that doesn't force you to team. GET OVER IT.
and before i forget... /JPOWERSTONEFISTBREWHAAMISHRANGER!!! and if you don't get over it i will send Bruce to eat you where you sit. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Everyone in this thread is just shortsighted, dumb, or secretly wanting the terrorists to win. There's no other explanation. 
The main problem is that the OP's suggestion didn't go far enough. Here is what he should have suggested:
1) When you start playing CoH, you are assigned a group of 7 perma-teammates. The "Quit Team" button will be removed. You may not quit your team. EVER. This will save loads of time and will help everyone realize the truth of the joy of teaming. (Also, it is polite to refer to your perma-teammates as "comrades". EDIT: except for whoever gets the star; refer to him/her as "Dear Leader".)
2) Because it may take a period of adjustment for people to realize how fun this really is, you will not be permitted to quit the game. EVER. NCsoft will just keep billing your credit card. Because it's fun. Even if you don't know it.
I am confident that these sensible proposals will, with time, come to be embraced by the proletariat, errr, player base.
Freedom: Blazing Larb, Fiery Fulcrum, Sardan Reborn, Arctic-Frenzy, Wasabi Sam, Mr Smashtastic.
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Everyone in this thread is just shortsighted, dumb, or secretly wanting the terrorists to win. There's no other explanation.
The main problem is that the OP's suggestion didn't go far enough. Here is what he should have suggested: 1) When you start playing CoH, you are assigned a group of 7 perma-teammates. The "Quit Team" button will be removed. You may not quit your team. EVER. This will save loads of time and will help everyone realize the truth of the joy of teaming. (Also, it is polite to refer to your perma-teammates as "comrades". EDIT: except for whoever gets the star; refer to him/her as "Der Führer".) 2) Because it may take a period of adjustment for people to realize how fun this really is, you will not be permitted to quit the game. EVER. NCsoft will just keep billing your credit card. Because it's fun. Even if you don't know it. I am confident that these sensible proposals will, with time, come to be embraced by the proletariat, errr, player base. |
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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
...To those players who dont join up with there team,or dont respond once you invite them,you could start a clock upon this player,and if the player dosen't respond or join you inside the mission in five minutes,they are automatically kicked from the team.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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Guys,im sorry,but I just noticed something.I made this thread yesterday,and it is above 24 posts.No major record,I understand,but even all of you wernt this quick to try and destroy AE for other players.It's as though you have something to hide,like,intentional poor teaming habits that make it bad for everyone else?
Heck,even on this thread,all I hear is "No" to teaming!
Wouldn't you agree that lack of teams,or teaming is destroying the game too?
Sure you all have rights to do as you wish in the game,whether it be nest,or whatever,but sooner or later you guys might find yourselves crying and complaining about not having a certain accolade for example,and certain accolades,like the respec trials,require,well golly!
A TEAM!!!!!
...and for all my critics out there,(May the high one bless you : )
Give me your best shots.Knock me over with your powers of criticisims and witicisims,and humiliate me freely.You have that right....
but..if it is okay with all of you...i still find myself...not caring..what you all think : )
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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
Wouldn't you agree that lack of teams,or teaming is destroying the game too?
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A) This game is not being "destroyed". It's still vibrant and lively. 100k subscribers is no small feat. Don't let WoW's numbers fool you; 100k used to be the pinnacle of achievement in this genre. It remains a damn fine accomplishment.
B) I see no lack of teams. You might not get teams for whatever reason, but I pretty much get a team any time I want one. Maybe you should try cultivating some contacts in the game rather than relying on random strangers?
So perhaps the problem here is that we're not Chicken Little, and we don't think the sky is falling.
Wouldn't you agree that lack of teams,or teaming is destroying the game too?
Lack of teams might destroy the game... if there ever was one. Unfortunately* there isn't one.
*for your argument
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Then you're a fool, to be blunt about it, one who needs to learn how to comprehend what's being said. Nobody in here has said anything close to "No to teaming." That there are times teaming is impractical? Yes. No to teaming with you, yes, but not "No to teaming." |
Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
Heck,even on this thread,all I hear is "No" to teaming!
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Sure you all have rights to do as you wish in the game,whether it be nest,or whatever,but sooner or later you guys might find yourselves crying and complaining about not having a certain accolade for example,and certain accolades,like the respec trials,require,well golly! A TEAM!!!!! |
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*and several others, which we jump between often - sometimes on the same night. L4D is a favourite "everyone get together after our various days at work and slaughter stuff" one. Even if we're not playing the same thing, we're usually talking to each other via IM. Perhaps you should look into making some friends of your own.
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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
Heck,even on this thread,all I hear is "No" to teaming!
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The game is not being destroyed as long as ideas like yours do not get implemented.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Maybe perhaps that's exactly why you find yourself teamless?
Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
...i still find myself...not caring..what you all think
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
To be honest I think your suggestion too draconian. Theres a lot to the game other than teaming. People play how they want to as is their right, they are paying for it after all.
One point though
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..or they just ignore you completely....and isnt ignoring you unpolite?
Yes it is, but there may be a reason they are ignoring you.
If they are updating their Cossie the can't see their chat window.
If they have Dc'd they can't see their chat window.
If they have a slow connection/machine and are zoning they can't see their chat window.
If their 2 year old has thrown up on the keyboard they don't want to type at the moment (yes it has happened).
They might be looking at their Global chat channels window instead of their chat window.
And so on.
OR they might be a jerk who doesn't reply to tells.
If they're a jerk do you want to team with them?
If they have a problem or can't see the chat window they'll eventually get back to you, how about a little patience?
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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
I have made team requests properly,like players reqyest me to do,and in all that,you would expect to land a player or two,but suprisingly....
"Not right now,Thank you" "No,thank you though" "No,Im playing with my supergroup right now" "No,im getting ready to log" "Getting ready to log,actually,but thank you though" |
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..or they just ignore you completely....and isnt ignoring you unpolite?You know,just like those players who ask YOU to be polite and send them a sighted invite first,rather than a blind one? Hypocrites,I say. |
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Time Limit. I know you all have been here before,so dont try to deny it. To those players who dont join up with there team,or dont respond once you invite them,you could start a clock upon this player,and if the player dosent respond or join you inside the mission in five minutes,they are automatically kicked from the team. I jsut believe that there are people out there who just join a team and do nothing to drive the team elader and his loyal members crazy. |
The silent-but-absent team member (or, fair's fair, team leader) is indeed rude, and deserves kicking, or quitting, but once you automate something (and add the opt out button you have to remember to hit to exempt someone, plus the fine tuning when someone finds a means to circumvent the basic algorithm, etc. etc.) it increases the degree to which people must trouble themselves as often as it improves things.
Social issues (which this is) are best handled by social solutions (eg. leader glances at clock, check's absent member's location, sends one last tell or team message, waits 10 more seconds, and kicks) not technological ones. Engineering is great for deterministic systems, lousy for social ones.
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
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Originally Posted by Samson_Sledge
Heck,even on this thread,all I hear is "No" to teaming!
Wouldn't you agree that lack of teams,or teaming is destroying the game too? |
Ineffective attempt to demonize opposing points of view, ineffective attempt to play the victim card.
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My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
Knowing what would happen if I used the kind of language this inspires, I'll refrain in an effort to keep my account.
I will simply say, instead, that you can keep your freakin' paws off my playstyle. I like to solo. I pay my money just like you do. When I team it's always on my terms and I'm never afraid to hit the quit button or the kick button. Please feel very free to never invite me to a team. If I ever get on a team with anyone having your attitude, I'd quit in a heartbeat.
As far as I'm concerned, the teaming aspect of this game is entirely secondary. They could do away with teaming altogether and I'd still play. I'm sure there are a ton more people like me out there. Teaming is fun once in a while, but mostly I prefer to solo.
I second SwellGuy's comment: the game is not being destroyed unless your idea gets implemented.
Robin
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i have sent bruce in. he will attack through the toilet as he lives in the water. samson_sledge, don't go to the bathroom anytime soon...or later for that matter. have a nice day.
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It's as though your idea is stupid. Inventing imaginary hidden agendas and ascribing traits to other people that they don't have, just so that you can then argue against and successfully defeat a position they never took is very much the definition of a straw man. Feel free to keep trash-talking, just as long as you're aware you're not actually talking about anything or anyone who actually exists.|
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It's as though you have something to hide,like,intentional poor teaming habits that make it bad for everyone else?
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...and for all my critics out there,(May the high one bless you : ) Give me your best shots.Knock me over with your powers of criticisims and witicisims,and humiliate me freely.You have that right.... but..if it is okay with all of you...i still find myself...not caring..what you all think : ) |
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Originally Posted by samson_sledge
Guys,im sorry,but I just noticed something.I made this thread yesterday,and it is above 24 posts.No major record,I understand,but even all of you wernt this quick to try and destroy AE for other players.It's as though you have something to hide,like,intentional poor teaming habits that make it bad for everyone else?
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Bad suggestions usually wind up large because the OP feels the need to come back and defend his idea, then attack the detractors so that he doesn't need to spend any effort refining his idea to make it better. This leads the detractors to point out what the OP is doing, the OP counters, and so it goes. Thus, spectacularly bad ideas live a long time, and grow quickly, just like this one.
Good suggestions usually get a few posts of positive response, and since nobody is arguing about anything, once everyone's piece has been said, the thread gets left alone and fades into relative obscurity.
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Heck,even on this thread,all I hear is "No" to teaming!
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There is already an incentive for teaming, besides getting to use all those powers and builds that are hard or impossible to use solo.
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Originally Posted by Hertz
Look: there is already an incentive to team, and that is rate of XP. The people who want to maximize their XP gain will team with you, and in fact will rarely bother doing any missions unless they have at least six people on the team. The ones who don't care about maximum XP gain ... won't.
I tend to team up with 3-4 people all the time, mostly just my friends, because our playstyle is compatible. Dave has little kids in his house; he often has to make us wait while he's putting one to bed, or feeding them dinner, or making them stop hitting each other with rocks. Joe is a nurse and is often "on call" and may have to leave the team without warning. Jon likes to stop and chat with people on IRC. Are these the people you want to team with? |
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You know, recently a player asked to join my team. Not only was I not the team leader, but the team was full. And we were doing a TF. I suppose I'm a jerk for telling that player I couldn't add him/ her to the team at that moment
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I also don't like random groups, for two-fold reasons:
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You don't need to have a full 8-man team to have fun, or to get XP. I've been on so many pickup teams where the leader wastes 20 minutes to get a full team, only to have it fall apart after one mission.
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Wouldn't you agree that lack of teams,or teaming is destroying the game too?
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Originally Posted by samson_sledge
Sure you all have rights to do as you wish in the game,whether it be nest,or whatever,but sooner or later you guys might find yourselves crying and complaining about not having a certain accolade for example,and certain accolades,like the respec trials,require,well golly!
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...and for all my critics out there,(May the high one bless you : )
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If this is sarcasm, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
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Originally Posted by samson_sledge
Give me your best shots.Knock me over with your powers of criticisims and witicisims,and humiliate me freely.You have that right....
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but..if it is okay with all of you...i still find myself...not caring..what you all think : )
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I fall in the latter camp, probably in vain.
New story arcs coming soon (ARC IDs will be aded when I finish the arc):
So, you want to join the Hellions? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
Sparks & Steel (level 5-20 Heroic arc)
and
So you want to join the Skulls? (level 1-14 Villainous arc)
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No, we just don't want to team with jerks like yourself - because if this is the way you behave here where you're expected to be reasonably civil (since of course, this is a somewhat permanent record unlike chat) I'm sure that your behavior in the game is far worse and hardly even warrants the polite responses you've gotten to turn your team offers down.
I don't team often. But when I do, it's with a group of people that I enjoy playing with. I'm on a global channel that really is amazing, and while most of us *do solo*, we immediately come to the aid of those in need. Why?
Because we're friendly, nice, and polite. We dont' make demands like "better be here on time or else" and "you're a dirtbag liar because you declined my team invite".
It's just you. Everyone else in the game is teaming. They just won't team with YOU.
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No. When I want a team, I can usually find one. When I don't want a team, I don't need one. Some of us don't like teaming or feel it is the only way to play. Deal with it or go to hell. I do enjoy the opportunity to use this word: balderdash. Hasn't happened, will not happen. Most of the things that require a team I don't care about, and the things that do require a team I can get one for on relatively short order, and that's entirely through strangers. On top of that, I have friends who play the game, and I can always ask them for help. There hasn't been a time in the past several years where I've found myself needing a team, but unable to find one, and this has certainly never been because the people I asked re |
srsly though..At most times if you need a respec, tf etc, you can get on the global channels and form one. Usually once some one announces interest you start getting people joining. Just takes someone to get the ball rolling.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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can i just send the shark after him? pretty please with whip cream and cherries and stuff on top.