Dual builds - switching on the fly

Instead of having to visit a trainer I should be able to switch on the fly for character purposes...please either shorten or remove the timer. For example I have a robot toon with a battle costume (offensive power build) and a defensive costume, I would love to be able to switch between builds on the fly as the situation demands it.

What do you think?

The Devs have already indicated that they want it working as it is and gave their reasons.

I doubt their viewpoint on it has changed much since then.

If you could switch on the fly, and without a timer, it'd be so exploitable. Have a power with a long recharge? Change it instantly. Permahasten without any IOs. Heck, 10x hasten. You could on the fly. The way it works now is balanced.

I would be happy ifthey just removed the time limit myself

If they had the time to put into it they could adjust the Dual Build system to where it does NOT reset any of the powers if they were already activated or recharging.

All in all this isn't so much of a bad idea just more of one that would end up being more problematic than others.

So... you want to exploit.

Nice knowin ya. :P

It's not a horrible idea I'm just not sure it's a problem that needs a solution. Unfortunately, this may end up causing more trouble than necessary.

The way i see it, for the longest time there was only a single build per character, and we survived that way. So now that we have two we should just be thankful. =]

I support removing the need to visit a trainer. Why on earth do you need to see someone just to change powers you already know? If it was set change, sure, I could accept that. But IC wise it makes no sense, OOC wise it can be a pain.

Keep the timer, by all means, although if they let you know how long you had to wait it'd be nice.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I assume the whole idea of making these switches require a trip to a trainer -and- a timeout period was to eliminate any possible way to exploit it during any PvE or PvP activities.

I can understand why these limitations are annoying to some people, but the ability to build switch was never intended to be a 'tactical' option in the first place. Frankly if you think about it just about the only reason you'd ever want to be able to instantly change your build would be to exploit a tactical situation with different powers.

Clearly the Devs didn't mind us having a feature to have dual builds available but they also clearly didn't want us to be able to abuse it either. It's remotely possible they might make a new high level Vet award which would allow a build switch without a trainer at some point. I personally think that'd be a waste of a high level Vet Award but that might just be me. Regardless of that I highly doubt they would ever lower the timeout period on switches. Switches are meant to be strategic decisions, not twitch-tactical ways to min/max particular situations. *shrugs*

Not looking to exploit, just want to be able to switch without having to visit the trainer. Like I said fine keep a timer, like 1 minute would be nice. I'd like to have an all out offense and defense build for my toons.

Problem with that scenario, TheHawkes, is that Self Destruct is on a much, much, much, much longer timer than 1 minute. So, after the first build change use, you couldn't repeat that attack chain, because "both" Self Desctructs would be already used, and wouldn't charge for quite some time.. In fact, that would count for pretty much any long-term recharge power....

On top of that, the Devs already seem to have some sort of system already in place that keeps timers on powers, regardless of the fact you just switched a built--i.e. Vet Teleport power or Mission Transport power. If you use the Vet Teleport power, then switch builds, it doesn't reset it automatically.

So, this isn't entirely a bad suggestion, really. If the Devs would implement that same system on ALL the powers (Hasten, Nuke, ect), It wouldn't matter if you switched builds, because the timer on the powers would still be going. You wouldn't be able to activate Hasten *again*... Everything would still be the same time-wise, therefore avoiding the "exploit" possibilities.

If the Devs would implement this system on all powers, I'd be in full support of a "switch build on the fly" or "switch build in 2 minutes" feature. 15 minutes it a bit too long for me... There's been many situations where I switched to my tri-form build on my WS for a planned TF, and if no one showed up for the event, and I wanted to just join my coalition mates for a different mission, I couldn't switch back to my "normal gameplay" human-only build for 15 minutes. Argh! :P

Not that it's "entirely" a huge inconvenience or anything... It's just that new suggestions like this I think should be welcome, as long as people are trying to come up with solutions for it, instead of just shooting it down, without thinking of a way that it could work.

Devs DO pay attention to suggestions, 'ya know!

"The One"

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Keep the current time limit and remove the need to visit a trainer.

Is that still really exploitable?

Either that or make it so villains can use Warwitch to change builds, like we used to be able to for crying out loud.