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Originally Posted by Suzumebachi_EU View Post
Can the length of time the boards use to mark posts as read be changed on vBulletin?
Yes, this is something that can be adjusted in the admin settings. Specifically under vBulletin Options/General Settings there is a section called Thread/Forum Read Marking Type. The pop-up help for the options detail them thusly:

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This option controls how threads and forums are marked as read.

1. Inactivity/Cookie Based - once a user has been inactive for a certain amount of time (the value of the session timeout option) all threads and forums are considered read. Individual threads are marked as read within a session via cookies.

This option is how all versions of vBulletin before 3.5 functioned.

2. Database (no automatic forum marking) - this option uses the database to store thread and forum read times. This allows accurate read markers to be kept indefinitely. However, in order for a forum to be marked read when all threads are read, the user must view the list of threads for that forum.

This option is more space and processor intensive than inactivity-based marking.

3. Database (automatic forum marking) - this option is the same as a previous option, but forums are automatically marked as read when the last new thread is read.

This is the most usable option for end users, but most processor intensive.
This board is very likely (unless something is not working right) using option #1 and with a short timer. I visit vBulletin boards that use option #3 (where stuff remains marked as unread until you actually read it) and despite the warning of it being the most processor-intensive has never caused any slowdowns or other issues in my experience. It's the way I have the vBulletin forum I admin set-up.


 

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/em protest

OPTION 3 OPTION 3 OPTION 3

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Originally Posted by Creole_Ned View Post
Yes, this is something that can be adjusted in the admin settings. Specifically under vBulletin Options/General Settings there is a section called Thread/Forum Read Marking Type. The pop-up help for the options detail them thusly:

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This option controls how threads and forums are marked as read.

1. Inactivity/Cookie Based - once a user has been inactive for a certain amount of time (the value of the session timeout option) all threads and forums are considered read. Individual threads are marked as read within a session via cookies.

This option is how all versions of vBulletin before 3.5 functioned.

2. Database (no automatic forum marking) - this option uses the database to store thread and forum read times. This allows accurate read markers to be kept indefinitely. However, in order for a forum to be marked read when all threads are read, the user must view the list of threads for that forum.

This option is more space and processor intensive than inactivity-based marking.

3. Database (automatic forum marking) - this option is the same as a previous option, but forums are automatically marked as read when the last new thread is read.

This is the most usable option for end users, but most processor intensive.
This board is very likely (unless something is not working right) using option #1 and with a short timer. I visit vBulletin boards that use option #3 (where stuff remains marked as unread until you actually read it) and despite the warning of it being the most processor-intensive has never caused any slowdowns or other issues in my experience. It's the way I have the vBulletin forum I admin set-up.
The timeout seems to be about an hour, which is waaaaaay to short.

I'd settle for either of options 2 or 3, but if they really want to auto-timeout everything then a limit of several days would be much better.

Coming back to a forum to find all the messages posted while you were away marked as read is really starting to bug me.


 

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Originally Posted by AlienOne View Post
Wow, lots of negativity. I like the colors. Matches exactly with the official website, and continuity is a good thing, although most people here don't seem to take change very well.

I like to see people's sigs. The size is already limited (if you check your settings), so you can't get them taller than like 150px, which is very small compared to a lot of forums I've been on. I like to see peep's sigs, because it shows their personality, and a lot of times, it shows what sort of Photoshop/image editing talent they have. I've learned a lot of Photoshop techniques from people after seeing a sig and asking how they accomplished a particular effect. And... I can't wait to see what people do with thier "signature heroes!" I'm going to try a few myself eventually... Having sigs DEFINITELY takes the "bland" away for me. Very nice.

I do like that you can post images as well (Comic-Con pics coming soon!), but I'd like to suggest (if this is not implemented already) that the pics get auto-resized to an avatar-sized pick that you can click on to enlarge if you're interested in seeing it. I think that would get rid of the "OMGLOOKATME" aspect that some of these traditionalists are complaining about.

Not sure if the "reputation" thing is such a good idea, but, meh...It's not going to kill me.

I would suggest somehow getting rid of the grey background behind the avatars, because some people have transparent avatars, and others have avatars that aren't going to be exactly the size of the avatar space you have alotted.

I find it very strange that gamers, of all people, are the ones complaining about "page loading slow with these new forums." Gamers are usually the pioneers of the internet, and have better/more advanced computer systems, internet connections, download rates, and storage capacity than the average public. I figured most CoH players would have been off the dial-up by now.

I think that's all I have for now.

"The One"

THIS! If I could kiss you, I would!

Kind of makes you wonder what sort of system they have if a few pics loading would slow their machines so much. Actually, I've never had a problem with loading any page. And I have been on strictly graphical forums where the average sig image is significantly larger that what you guys see here.


 

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Originally Posted by Niviene View Post
You can disable signatures in your USER CP.
You folks can also disable them. Or at least severely limit the size. Images in sigs are a fluff feature that greatly reduces the signal-to-noise ratio in the forums.

Sigs are a major way people promote their mission arcs, guides and SG/VG's. Turning them off as a user means you miss out on all that. I don't want to miss that!

Please consider limits or turning off images in sigs.

Thanks!


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I like the forums in general, but I wish there wasn't quite as much wasted space. For example the borders on the left and right that show the city buildings image is just wasted. I'd rather see the forum itself go all the way to the edges of the window.

Also, I really miss the Dev and Community Digest posts. I can't seem to find an easy way to get a list of all the Dev posts in this new forum.


 

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I like the look of the new forums and it's nice that you guys have new, more efficient scripts to run them and all, but over the new forums are useless to me.

Specifically, I use the forums to see what the Dev and Community red names are up to. That's broken. Will it come back? Maybe. I hear rumors, but considering I can't find any red name posts that say that I have no idea when or if that'll happen.

Also, as someone with a serious case of alt-itis I often used the FAQ pages for each archetype to get some ideas of which powers were good and which could be skipped when building a new character. Since links to old article weren't translated to the articles new URLs, those pages are now frustratingly broken.

Seriously. It took three days to port over the old messages to the new forums. Couldn't updating the internal links to other pages have been part of that process? The forums represent five years of combined work and knowledge compiled by the player base and it's all broken now.

But hey. I'm glad your scripts are working better for you now... =P

-Bux



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Originally Posted by Buxley1 View Post
Specifically, I use the forums to see what the Dev and Community red names are up to. That's broken. Will it come back? Maybe. I hear rumors, but considering I can't find any red name posts that say that I have no idea when or if that'll happen.
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Currently we do not have the Dev's or Community Digest up and running. We're working on this feature however, and expect to have it back fairly soon. At launch our priority was on stability and baseline functionality, now we can add the shiny back in.



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Also, as someone with a serious case of alt-itis I often used the FAQ pages for each archetype to get some ideas of which powers were good and which could be skipped when building a new character. Since links to old article weren't translated to the articles new URLs, those pages are now frustratingly broken.
Both this and the digests are transient problems that will be sorted out eventually. We just have to rough it for a while, and then things'll get better.

(I still think that the digests should have been fixed *before* the switch though)


 

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Originally Posted by Sarrate View Post
Like others have said, it's a whole new board, so it will take a while to get used to, especially considering how often I frequented the old one...

At any rate:
  • Emocations - I liked the old ones, but you already posted on the issue.
  • View All - The old forums had a feature to view all posts in a thread. I used that a lot (on some larger posts I probably shouldn't have, too). I'd prefer it if this was readded, if possible.
  • Edited Posts - On the old forums, when a user edited a post it defaulted to having some text saying that the post was edited, for example "[Sarrate edited this post on mm/dd/yyyy at hh:mm]". These forums don't display that at all. Personally, I think all edited posts should be flagged as such to avoid 'ninjas.'
  • Images - While it can be useful, I can't help but feel like the feature will be abused...
  • (Subjective) The forums feel a little slower than the old one, but it may because numerous forum addicts (myself included) can finally get their fix after 3 days of downtime.

That's all I have for the moment...


[edit: I retract the bullet about editing posts. It was pointed out to me that there is a short grace period before a message gets tagged as edited. This is fully acceptable to me.]
[edit: Holy crap! This board actually tracks the history of edited posts! That's awesome.]
This sums it up pretty well, except for 2 things:

1) The Dev/Community Digests need to be fixed asap. This should be the #1 priority. Most players I know use those to quickly stay informed. Right now, most of them (to a large extent myself included) are just completely avoiding the boards, since they are deemed "useless".

2) There needs to be an option to specifically disable images in posts and a separate option to disable them in signatures.


 

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Originally Posted by Iscilla View Post
THIS! If I could kiss you, I would!

Kind of makes you wonder what sort of system they have if a few pics loading would slow their machines so much. Actually, I've never had a problem with loading any page. And I have been on strictly graphical forums where the average sig image is significantly larger that what you guys see here.
Like I said before, it's slow on my fast gamer systems on my 10-megabit line. Plus, the way the stylesheet renders the page, it tends to jump as non-image-sized placeholders are readjusted for the actual image. I'm sorry, but it's not my systems. Find another scapegoat.

--NT


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I have a big request. In fact, it's a demand. It's so important that henceforth I'll be talking in bold letters.


I demand the word filter be changed back to replacing 'bad words' with the proper [censored] tag we had on the old boards. You see, I had a habit of just typing out [censored] whenever I meant to insult someone or swear at someone or something and allow for the reader's mind to fill in the blanks. It also casually removed the need for me to actually think about which words are acceptable around here and which aren't. While most common swearwords will likely still be caught by the word filter, some might not be.

Why don't I just type out ****** to fit my habits to the new medium? Cause it's suggestive. The number of asterisks equals the number of letters in the filtered word. Which might get people guessing as to what I meant to say.

If at all possible with the new forums software I therefore demand the return of the [censored] placeholder.


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So I feel strongly enough to bring this up here. And I rarely ever post on the forums anymore.

The Dev/Community Digest needs fixed immediately.

Honestly, the Dev Digest was easily the most important part of the forums. I like to know what's going on with the game and what I can look forward to, or answers to popular queries. I'm not willing to go fishing through tons of topics to do so though. The Dev Digest made everything easier and kept us all informed rather well. Without it, so many people have deemed the forums not using at all- myself included. Granted, there are a butt load of people who find it useful still, but there's also a large number who don't.

And I feel strongly about this that I feel like people should be nagging about it relentlessly. ...Or at least once a day.


 

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It seems that the reputation feature has become a sort of PvP element.
Though some may be having "fun" with that, I don't think anonymous negative (and sometimes downright nasty) comments are conducive to maintaining civility throughout the entire board community.
I believe the PWNZ thread exists for those who wish to engage in PvP activities on the boards, much as the arenas and PvP zones exist in game for the same.


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Originally Posted by Iscilla View Post
THIS! If I could kiss you, I would!

Kind of makes you wonder what sort of system they have if a few pics loading would slow their machines so much. Actually, I've never had a problem with loading any page. And I have been on strictly graphical forums where the average sig image is significantly larger that what you guys see here.
Some thoughts:
1) I usually check the forums at work. When I'm at home, I usually have better things to do.
2) The (seemingly) hamster-powered PCs at work... suck. Take 15min just to boot up.
3) I'm not alone in this.


 

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Originally Posted by T_Pill View Post
So I feel strongly enough to bring this up here. And I rarely ever post on the forums anymore.

The Dev/Community Digest needs fixed immediately.

Honestly, the Dev Digest was easily the most important part of the forums. I like to know what's going on with the game and what I can look forward to, or answers to popular queries. I'm not willing to go fishing through tons of topics to do so though. The Dev Digest made everything easier and kept us all informed rather well. Without it, so many people have deemed the forums not using at all- myself included. Granted, there are a butt load of people who find it useful still, but there's also a large number who don't.

And I feel strongly about this that I feel like people should be nagging about it relentlessly. ...Or at least once a day.
Agreed.


 

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This may or may not have been already brought up, but is anyone else (on Firefox, in case it has to do with that) having trouble with cookies not updating properly? For instance, I've marked the Site/Forums downtime announcement as read about five times now, and every time I come back it's marked new. Same problem with the "Go to newest post" arrow, it always just takes me to the OP.


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This may or may not have been already brought up, but is anyone else (on Firefox, in case it has to do with that) having trouble with cookies not updating properly? For instance, I've marked the Site/Forums downtime announcement as read about five times now, and every time I come back it's marked new. Same problem with the "Go to newest post" arrow, it always just takes me to the OP.
Yes, I'm having this problem and I think there are a few threads about it in Technical Issues. As far as I can tell, it's not updating the "Last Visited" attribute every time you log in. For instance, I've browsed the boards several times today, but according to that little box in the upper right corner the last time I visited was 6:01am this morning.


 

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Originally Posted by PhiloticKnight View Post
I don't know about you, but I know nobody that still uses dial up. Load times should not be an issue, and for those that it IS an issue for, well, you have the option there.

I personally enjoy a "multimedia" message board much more than a purely text base message board.

If I wanted a purely text based message board, I'd go back to 1992.

I don't have any problem with images being reduced or hidden "by default" as long as a show button exists, however.
I enjoy multimedia message boards, too. Except when I vist my family, who don't have internet access and don't have any free wi-fi spots around. I'm on dial up when I'm there and having the ability to show no images (even avatars) was a useful feature of the old forums. Right now I have most images off, but don't see anything to turn off the avatars.

I also check (and post) from my iPhone. While it's faster than the dial-up at my mom and dad's house, the new forums seem to be slower than the old ones. Fewer graphics would be appreciated there, as well. The more buttons I can click in my personal options to turn things off, the better. If my image viewing choices don't affect you at all, it's even more better.


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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan_NA View Post
We can only have a maximum of 4 images in any one post - this is fair enough, but - smileys count as images. So no more than 4 smileys. ...
Best rule ever!


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Originally Posted by Impish_Kat View Post
It seems that the reputation feature has become a sort of PvP element.
Though some may be having "fun" with that, I don't think anonymous negative (and sometimes downright nasty) comments are conducive to maintaining civility throughout the entire board community.
I was going to make this point but it looks like it was made already for me.


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I would like...

... to have the forums use a separate password from my game account. Using the same password for both makes me nervous.

... an option to select "always preview posts before submitting" or something similar to the option the old forums had. (Perhaps this exists and I just can't find it.) On the old forums, I was able to set that option in my preferences and all posts would be forced to preview mode before they required a final click to be submitted. Here I need to remember to do it manually. My memory is not what it used to be, so any way to help automate my posting quality control is very much appreciated.

... less background noise. The background image seems to slow down my iPhone forum viewing. (No, I'm not an addict. SO?!) It also seems to reload before anything else when I choose to open a new thread in a new tab or window, treating me to a less-that-lovely view of Statesman's codpiece whenever I open a window/tab that way. It would be nice to get rid of some of that clutter/crotch.

Generally speaking, I'm enjoying the new forums very much.


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to have the forums use a separate password from my my game account. Using the same password for both makes me nervous
this.


 

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Originally Posted by MissInformed View Post
I would like to have the forums use a separate password from my my game account. Using the same password for both makes me nervous.
Agreed.

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I was bothered by using the same credentials for the forums and the game until I noticed (had it pointed out, actually) that the login button submits the details via https. Thus, your password is encrypted with the same method other secure web sites use when it is sent to the server.

I haven't seen the code, of course, but I don't see this as a security risk. What is most likely happening there is that the web server takes those credentials, passes it to the back end, and if the login is good, gets back the account attributes it needs to serve pages (account status, user name, access levels, etc). It's done with the password by then, and in the end https shouldn't be any less secure than whatever the actual game client is doing.

I apologize for having brought this up earlier, as I didn't notice the https page the login button submits the form to. Bad form on my part. Note to self: read (in this case, page source), then post.

I'd like to have a slightly darker background option too for greater contrast. The new forums are pretty, but I do find them a little hard to read sometimes. And, like others, would love to be able to turn off just sig images, but turning off all images works too.


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