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Rages dmg buff more than makes up for the smashing resists mobs have.
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Not when you also figure in your other damage buffs from enhancements and fury (rage = +80%, enhancments = +95%, fury maybe an avarage of +100%).
And then Rage crashes, and you suck.
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Lethal sets dont have a Rage dmg buff and lethal is even more resisted.
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Yeah. lethal sucks. Doesn't make SS good though.
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that means i can FS THREE times while only use LR ONCE.
Thats 3 times the damg LR can deal.
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-20% smashing resist, and completly ignoring the possibility of recharge buffs and the advanatage of a ranged attack.
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Which buff is better than RAGE ?
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Build Up (no crash)
Sould Drain
Against All Odds (perma out of the box)
Firey Embrace (when combined with fire primary).
Fairly irrelevant, as it appears you like SS.
This is a good argument: Nerf SS because Moghedian likes it.
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Fiery embrace is secondary.
Against all odds is secondary.
Buildup isnt perma and only lasts for some secs, cant be stacked even with the best rech you can get.
Soul Drain needs many mobs to be as efficient as Rage has a lower tohohit bonus, needs an acc check and isnt perma without lots of + rech.
Recharge buffs that apply to LR also apply to Fs so not really a point there.
No synergy in SS/WP lol.
Even the ones who disagree they are overpowered would admit there is great synergy.
RTTC needs mobs in meele range, Fottstomp is an pbaoe whose knockdown gives WP the time to regenerate.
Which brutes set have better synergy than SS/Wp ?
To say SS/Wp have no synergy is ridiculous
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Fiery embrace is secondary.
Against all odds is secondary.
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Yes. You asked "Which buff is better than RAGE ?". You didn't specify that it had to be from a primary. And youyr diatribe was specifically directed at SS/WP. Last time I looked nither Firery Embrace or AAO where in WP.
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Nor does it kill your damage entierly.
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Recharge buffs that apply to LR also apply to Fs
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Until you get enough slotted that either is available on demand. there is a reason the devs switched from using recharge to using cast time when balancing powers.
But as I said, none of this is relevent. You like SS, other people prefer other power sets. None of this gives any reason to nerf SS.
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Even the ones who disagree they are overpowered would admit there is great synergy.
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Oh yes, who? Would they care to point out which powers in WP specifically benefit from powers in SS, and visa versa? There are lots of people who could answer, since I haven't seen anyone agree with you.
You clearly don't understand what synergy means.
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Fiery embrace is secondary.
Against all odds is secondary.
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Yes. You asked "Which buff is better than RAGE ?". You didn't specify that it had to be from a primary. And youyr diatribe was specifically directed at SS/WP. Last time I looked nither Firery Embrace or AAO where in WP.
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Nor does it kill your damage entierly.
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Recharge buffs that apply to LR also apply to Fs
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Until you get enough slotted that either is available on demand. there is a reason the devs switched from using recharge to using cast time when balancing powers.
But as I said, none of this is relevent. You like SS, other people prefer other power sets. None of this gives any reason to nerf SS.
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Read the post again you replied to ?
Of all primaries ... see ? primaries not secondaries :-)
You even quoted it without reading it ?
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RTTC needs mobs in meele range, Fottstomp is an pbaoe whose knockdown gives WP the time to regenerate
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What, this? If WP was as good as you claim you wouldn't need to knock down mobs in melee range in order to survive. Stone certainly wouldn't need to.
And lots of primaries have aoe knockdowns if that is what you get off on.
And several secondaries benefift from being surrounded by a large number of minions.
And Knocked Down mobs don't contribute to building fury.
But still, you are simply making a case for why Moghedien likes SS. You are saying nothing to convince me that it is better than the other brute primaries, never mind tankers.
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Which brutes set have better synergy than SS/Wp ?
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DM/SR.
Fire/Fire
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No synergy in SS/WP lol.
Even the ones who disagree they are overpowered would admit there is great synergy.
RTTC needs mobs in meele range, Fottstomp is an pbaoe whose knockdown gives WP the time to regenerate.
Which brutes set have better synergy than SS/Wp ?
To say SS/Wp have no synergy is ridiculous
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ATTENTION ATTENTION, synergy spotted between 2 powers..... split them up now.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the Synergy Police.
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I dont think most players agree with the devs that the aoes of various brute primaries have been cut down in range and radius.
Why nerf the radius of medicore attacks while leaving the best pbaoe with the biggest radius : Footstomp , untouched ?
Maybe someone can explain to me why those aoes with small radius to start with and no secondary effects to speak of needed nerfing while Footstomp seems to be ok for the devs ?
All in patch notes of today.
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Well maybe its because foot stomps a teir9 and there for considered a bit special?
i know lets compare it to another AoE tier 9
Foot stomp Lightning Rod win
end cost 18.5 13.5 LR
recharge 20s 90s FS
range 0 60 LR
cast 2.1s 2.57 FS
accuracy 75% 75% -
duration 13.5 4s FS
radius 15 20 LR
KB 0.67(tgt) 0.64 (tgt) FS
taunt 13.5 (tgt) 0 FS
damage 59.2 (smashing) 133.5 (energy) LR
teleport 0 1 LR
so which is better we can ignore the taunt you would think on one hand you have foot stomp which has a quick recharge and a quick cast time so can be used several time in a fight on the other hand you have lightning rod which has a marginally longer cast time and a recharge 3 times as long as foot stomp but you can use it from range effectively allowing you to negate a alpha strike something foot stomp dose not do as you must be within the mob to use it.
also lightning rod dose 133.5 energy damage compared to 59.2 that smashing dose so not only dose lightning rod do double the damage of foot stomp its also less resisted so more of its going to get thru.
so one really is no better than the other in my opinion both have advantages as well as disadvantages.
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You forget to include Rage in Footstomp damg didnt you ? :-)
Or double stacked rage, which isnt really hard to achieve at least for several seconds without spending billions of inf on the char.
What i really dont understand is , how ppl can actually deny that SS/Wp is performing better than any other brute combos in almost every situation.....
Show me a char WITHOUT bilions spent on sets, who can farm maps or kill 8 player spawns with almost no risk in a very short time solo.
While dealing St damg that is on par with sets that have no aoes and rely on ST mostly.
But i suppose the 15 ss/WP out of 20 brutes in Gv yesterday evening just roll this combo cause it looks cool :-)
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that would be because i was comparing one tier 9 AOE power to another tier 9 AOE power
What i was not doing was comparing 1 tier 9 power to a tier 9 power that's affected by the sets version of build up
of course if i was doing a comparison to AOE potential between the 2 sets including there versions of build up elec would win hands down for me as it includes 2 AoE damage powers a cone damage power and chain induction with its special jump ability so lots more AOE potential than SS singular AOE damage power.
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No synergy in SS/WP lol.
Even the ones who disagree they are overpowered would admit there is great synergy.
RTTC needs mobs in meele range, Fottstomp is an pbaoe whose knockdown gives WP the time to regenerate.
Which brutes set have better synergy than SS/Wp ?
To say SS/Wp have no synergy is ridiculous
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ATTENTION ATTENTION, synergy spotted between 2 powers..... split them up now.
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the Synergy Police.
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Just wanted to show that PRAF68 statement those 2 have no synergy is ridiculous.
They don't. There is nothing SS can do better when paired with WP than with other sets (it gains more benefit from pairing with SR). there is nothing WP can do better by pairing it with SS than pairing it with any other set.
I really should do something about this signature.
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Which brutes set have better synergy than SS/Wp ?
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DM/SR.
Fire/Fire
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Dm/Sr has great synergy agreed, but DM is pretty useless for fighting big spawns.
Fire/fire has godd synergy but not anywhere near the survivability.
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They don't. There is nothing SS can do better when paired with WP than with other sets (it gains more benefit from pairing with SR). there is nothing WP can do better by pairing it with SS than pairing it with any other set.
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Well you must be right, maybe tell that all the farmers who have SS/Wp brutes and not other combos.
Obviously they all are stupid for rolling SS/WP cause you do know theres no synergy in that combo and any other combo would be as effective :-)
All the ppl posting farming builds on the US forum and discussing why SS/Wp is best farmer must be stupid too.....
But fortunately you know better :-)
Btw the defense crash is much worse for Sr than for WP
So this is really just another anti-farming rant!
Good for farming isn't the same as good for playing.
In a farm you want to fight the greatest number of reltively weak foes, and since you are doing the same mission over again you can choose mobs that aren't smashing resistant.
If you nerfed sets because the where chosen by farmers, then you would end up nerfing every set in the game, one set at a time.
Just let the farmers get on with what they want to do, and the rest of us get on with what we want to do for goodness sake!!
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So this is really just another anti-farming rant!
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Nope, just commenting your statement and proofing my point.
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Does anyone disagree that KoB is one of the best ST atackks with great secondary effects of all brute prmiaries ?
If you disagree, show me where i am wrong pls
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Siphon Life : It has far more synergy with Willpower (-ToHit and a nice heal) and does oodles of damage.
All of which is negative.
(ok, so it sucks vs undead, but it is great the rest of the time).
I really should do something about this signature.
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Since it's easy for teamed brutes to reach the damage cap with a few kinetics around damage buffs from rage are fairly irrelavant unless soloing.
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Cause there are always a "few" kinetics in a team.....
To say Rage is irrelevant in a team is just absurd.
Does anyone disagree that Rage is the best buff of all brute primaries ?
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Yes i do i like blinding faint at just 12seconds recharge it fits lovely into most attack chains and its different from the normal click build ups.
I also really like soul drain admittedly out the box it has a long recharge but its a great fight opener when your low on fury as it'll boost your damage right up and provided you can keep rolling fury will keep your damage high
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Does anyone disagree that Footstomp is the best aoe of all brute primaries?
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again i disagree i do like foot stomp as a power tho i think I'm more attached to the animation than the actual power but for over all worlds best brute AoE i have to give the award to Lightning Rod as it looks cool, dose excellent damage, knocks them on there [censored] and best of all lets me move between groups that much quicker.
also shield charge will probably take foot stomps second place purley on cool grounds when i eventually get it.
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again i find my self in disagreement KoB is a great attack ill give you that but there are many others i like just the same if not more
I like midnight grasp its maybe not uber but i like it at least the same as KoB
i like vengeful slice again at least as much a KoB purley cause it looks cool
then there's good old chain induction so what if its less damage than KoB i still think its a better power.
there's also total focus brill attack animations a bit slow but it dose lovely damage and leaves most opponents stunned
energy transfer same as TF plus i like the animation (tho again seems a bit slow)
Incinerate another power i love just as much if not more than KoB nothing better than seeing a fake nem pull the impenetrable force field trick then fall over because the DoT has finished him off 
Both stone Mallet powers i love them way more than KoB
I'M also finding a lot of love for clobber from war mace nice damage good chance of stun and no stupid animation.
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i cant show you where your wrong as a large chunk of the decision is subjective some people like certain things more than others however i think the numbers i posted earlier show that LR is at least on the same lvl as FS for utility and power.
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So this is really just another anti-farming rant!
Good for farming isn't the same as good for playing.
In a farm you want to fight the greatest number of reltively weak foes, and since you are doing the same mission over again you can choose mobs that aren't smashing resistant.
If you nerfed sets because the where chosen by farmers, then you would end up nerfing every set in the game, one set at a time.
Just let the farmers get on with what they want to do, and the rest of us get on with what we want to do for goodness sake!!
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The common farm mission is *** farm and those mobs ARE smashing resistant, on top of stacked vengeance, crazy buffed damg, acc and def.
This mission is normally run with lvl 52 mobs, which do explode for good damg, and deal fire damg.
2 lvl 52 bosses every spawn, one of which is exploding for crazy damg, minions that explode and dots al over the place on top of stacked veng isnt what i call relatively weak foes :-)
Cant see why a brute should have much probs against others mobs, if that farm can be run easy.
ATTENTION ATTENTION....farming reference spotted..... 1 day to thread lock....
This public service announcement has been brought to you today by our sponsors John Deere Tractors.
Help can someone tell where we are at.
This thread started as SS/WP should be nerfed moved on to /WP should be nerfed to SS/ should be nerfed.
We now seem to moving toward farming should be banned 
Note I might have missed a few nerfs out 
Edit
Must go and build a SS/WP Brute to see what the fuss is all about
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Help can someone tell where we are at.
This thread started as SS/WP should be nerfed moved on to /WP should be nerfed to SS/ should be nerfed.
We now seem to moving toward farming should be banned
Note I might have missed a few nerfs out
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I vote we take off and nerf em all from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!
I think SS/WP is so popular simply because its easy to pick up and play, there's little of a learning curve and it simply matches up to a lot of people perceptions of comic book heroes.
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Must go and build a SS/WP Brute to see what the fuss is all about
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Been thinking this my self i clearly did something wrong with my first attempted SS/WP so could some one post up one of these uber SS/WP builds?
cheers
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Been thinking this my self i clearly did something wrong with my first attempted SS/WP so could some one post up one of these uber SS/WP builds?
cheers
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Yeah, I was contemplating that too but I don't think I'll notice any real difference.
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Been thinking this my self i clearly did something wrong with my first attempted SS/WP so could some one post up one of these uber SS/WP builds?
cheers
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Yeah, I was contemplating that too but I don't think I'll notice any real difference.
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Ditto. I found Superstrength to be rather underperforming when facing off against Longbow Ballistas.
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28 Pages later and I do struggle to find more than one person swayed by the arguments of the OP, is it just possible there are no WMD to be found in either SS or WP??
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Yep. It's called synergy.
Fire/Kins just happen to bring a glorious synergy of powers
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And there is no particular synergy between SS and WP. they are simply sets that are both quite good at thier principle function.
I really should do something about this signature.