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It makes sense that you don't get allowed to wear THE item that is so special as the cape. Just as commando's aren't allowed to wear their green beret before they have proven themself. The cape is a badge of honor. An honor you will have to earn. This in honor of Hero 1.
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And this also explains the villain side of it too. Given that the lowest level a hero is going to be is 20, it makes sense that as a villain you're going to need to be the same level to have the slightest chance of pinching it off him.
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How does that even come anywhere near explaining the Villain side of it? 
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Isn't the lowest Hero encountered (with or without cape) at level 5 (Mayhem bank mission)?!
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It makes sense that you don't get allowed to wear THE item that is so special as the cape. Just as commando's aren't allowed to wear their green beret before they have proven themself. The cape is a badge of honor. An honor you will have to earn. This in honor of Hero 1.
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And this also explains the villain side of it too. Given that the lowest level a hero is going to be is 20, it makes sense that as a villain you're going to need to be the same level to have the slightest chance of pinching it off him.
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How does that even come anywhere near explaining the Villain side of it?
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If a hero has to be level 20 to earn a cape, then logicially any hero isn't going to have a cape less than level 20, right?
The villain cape mission is all about stealing a cape from a hero. Therefore, a lvl 1 villain isn't going to be able to get a cape, because he's going to be a greasy spot on the wall if tries to pinch it from a lvl 20 hero.
Capische?
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Some of the level 5 Mayhem Heroes have capes...what about those guys?
Surely I could grab a cape off of them as a villain?
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Apparently CO has capes at level 1.
+ 1 to CO for me then.
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*shrug*.. I guess that's another example of the disparity between "you must be level 20" and what actually happens, and perhaps further illustrates the need for capes to be available from level 1 to make things more consistant across the board.
Ultimately, I don't really give two hoots whether capes are available at 1 or 20, but equally I don't like the idea of making things available from the get go that we used to have to work towards. It just strikes me as the start of a slippery slope.
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What, apart from everony griping that its too easy to leve, do TFs, finish content..? 
Id rather have them available at lvl 1 for consistancy and for character creation. Thats jsut my view. What the hey.
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I'd say capes don't need to be level 20 anymore because capes aren't special. When CoX implemented capes it was a pretty big thing, because CoX capes were the first capes that didn't suck harder than a black hole. They were a selling point. They were special.
Anyone can produce a half decent cape now, having one is no longer awesome.
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Apparently CO has capes at level 1.
+ 1 to CO for me then.
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So it's total has now moved up to -4,567? 
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Apparently CO has capes at level 1.
+ 1 to CO for me then.
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So it's total has now moved up to -4,567?
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No, but every time I see you post something like this, CoH loses points just through association.
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Apparently CO has capes at level 1.
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No, but every time I see you post something like this, CoH loses points just through association.
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Being fair, GG isnt *that* bad. You can guarantee, whatever MMo you go on in the whole Universe, there will be people you (generalised you/we) hate. Its as unavoidable as the sunrise
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No, but every time I see you post something like this, CoH loses points just through association.
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Being fair, GG isnt *that* bad. You can guarantee, whatever MMo you go on in the whole Universe, there will be people you (generalised you/we) hate. Its as unavoidable as the sunrise
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I think what VD is trying to point out is that he/she is tired of GG's comments.
And to be frank, I do too. It just gets annoying, tbh. 
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I think what VD is trying to point out is that he/she is tired of GG's comments.
And to be frank, I do too. It just gets annoying, tbh.
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I think what VD is trying to point out is that he/she is tired of GG's comments.
And to be frank, I do too. It just gets annoying, tbh.
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Irony burn Khorak. Khorak been bad boy.
Boy, that sounded weird.
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And this thread had stayed on topic ah well couldn't last for ever.
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Well, sorry. Sometimes in these threads, you go off-topic, then you swerve back on-topic.
And, please, don't make a off-topic reply to this.
So you reply to my post concerning the fact that the thread was going off topic with a purely off topic reply then ask that i don't reply with a off topic post uh huh.
Now back to the topic at hand do any of the mayhem mission NPCs use auras pre lvl 30? i cant quite remember i think Blast Furnace mite
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So you reply to my post concerning the fact that the thread was going off topic with a purely off topic reply then ask that i don't reply with a off topic post uh huh.
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You use "off topic" too much. Btw, irony in that post was intended.
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Now back to the topic at hand do any of the mayhem mission NPCs use auras pre lvl 30? i cant quite remember i think Blast Furnace mite
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I honestly don't remember seeing ANY auras on mayhem NPCs, pre-level 30 or not.
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I honestly don't remember seeing ANY auras on mayhem NPCs, pre-level 30 or not.
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Some of the Safeguard mission villains do have auras available to them, even the low level bracket ones. For some reason I keep running into Pyra who has the chance to turn up at level 10-14 in the Kings Row safeguard mission and she's quite clearly got a fiery aura even with her Flame shield off.
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Now you can think and roleplay that you are the biggest hero/villain on the planet but that is not something supported in this game. This game is about the CoH universe, not about DC or Marvel or Champions or any of the ideas you may have created yourself.
What is utterly wrong is the fact that you now can buy a cape. A marketing ploy that is in contrast to the game. Should the game adapt istelf because some guy in a suit only wanting to make a few fast bucks says so? I think not. I will buy that valkyrie pack but i will not wear that cape before I hit 20.
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Statesman doesnt make the laws. There is no STATE LAW that says 'Heroes cannot wear capes until this point'. And the fact that not all heroes are even FROM the US, or even earth, makes that point completely moot.
And, as I have said before, this completely ignores the Villain side of things, where most characters attitudes is a big 'Up yours'.
You have the choice of not wearing the cape until 20. What is the issue here is that those who want to wear a normal cape pre-lvl 20 do not have the option. Which is contradictory and silly.
Anyway, why the hell should it be in respect of Hero 1 now? The guy isnt even dead! Although the teams I've been on to fight him would have had something to say about that.../e knuckles
Its not adressing the issue, either whichway.
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Statesman doesn't make the laws. But the superheroes as a community decided to do this. So you can be stubborn and say frak that. But then you will be seriously snubbed by everybody. Because they think you are a disrespectful sob who is not worthy of their respect. In the end that can kill you.
And about hero 1 being not dead. Such is not known at the timeline your level 1 hero enters the game. You will find out about his fate much later.
On the Rogue Island things are simple. Lord Recluse IS the law. He said no capes until you hit 20. He has his level 50 enforcers ready to smear your puny level 1 villain to a pulp if need be. Might makes Right and LR is the biggest Might in the Rogue Islands. Your very survival is in his hands until you are able to prove to him that that is no longer the case.
Yes, Spades, but the point is there is too much inconsistancy. Does that PoV mean that everyone wearing a shoulder cape or a Valkyrie cape INSTANTLY gets snubbed by the Hero Community?
And Recluse might tout absolute power, but there are enough groups in the Rogues that don't give a spit, and will probably shelter such members as choose to ignore him (maybe for a fee, of course). And, again, if thats the case why does everyone wearing a valkyrie cape or shoulder cape not get attacked by a lvl 50 Bane Spider squad as soon as they step into Mercy Island?
As for Hero 1 and the timeline, the timeline has so much borkage in it that Im starting to think the Menders MIGHT be bad guys
Even if the Phalanx has decided to keep mum, the rest of the world wouldnt. Villains who want to laugh in the faces of the heroes would plaster the truth all across the internet, hells all across anywhere, and im pretty sure the Hero community would natter about it. Im certain I've heard that discussion at least once at GG or PD.
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See the stumbling block that seems to have been hit here is between those of an RP mindset, that the game timeline is always moving forward, that things have happened before it started and each day is different, and so why should their character who has a few decades of backstory and already have a cape.
Against people who believe that the game world is non-changing and simply just a game that dictates what your characters are, and so has every person start in outbreak and be a rookie hero who has to prove themselves and the world only finds out about secrets when you do them.
So really youre just going to keep arguing this back and forth in all honesty.
Onto my point: Shoulder capes were meh, maybe counting as breaking it, but Valk pack does, you get capes at level one.
Solution: Change all capes to level one or make it so you can't get the Valk cape until level 20, having it this way is just silly in my opinion
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Isn't it fair to say though, that conceptually you can make what seem to be limiting game mechanics fit however you like, without the need to change those mechanics?
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Of course it is, but the argument for changing this has not largely been a conceptual one. To use a conceptual argument to try and counter a quality of life issue, such as this, doesn't address the problem.