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IMO if you make a character, you should be able to from level 1.
you can talk about achievements, but having a cape at 2/5 of the game doesn't make sense, nether does it make sense that you need to be 3/5 of the game to have an aura.
if i want to make a character with electricity around him, i should not run trough the game, grinding my butt of just for that one thing.
it's a bit the same like the epics, i have to play trough the entire game, only to create a character and start all over again.
i don't see that is fun, nether as achievement, more an annoyance and a ridicules rule.
the fee is 12 euro per month, so that's 144 euro per year.
i can say that, after a year of playing, i strongly deserve to have what i'm paying for, and that includes everything from capes to epic AT's.
you can maybe say i look to much to that, but i rather say this then be the fool and keep it shut.
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Theres a huge difference there. Epic Archtypes are supposed to be just that. Epic. Capes dont have an impact on the game, per se, there a costume option, which should BE an option.
Epics, on the other hand, are fine as they are. Your jsut going to have to slog it out, like everyone else has. It took me fifteen god damned months to get my first Hero to 50, something similar for Villains. And you know what? That felt GOOD. THAT was an achievement worth having. Because you unlocked a whole new section of the game that was a lot of fun to play, and it was something that you had earned and no one else could just buy.
Thats my arguement. To have a character concept and then be unable to utilise it is made of fail. Some people can get away with combat auras, shoulder capes of Valkyrie capes. Others cannot. That, IMO, is unfair.
As for game lore, some of it gets in such a knot that I almost trust player lore more 
Have you ever tried reading the Bios of the Phalanx on the official main site? If they gave the lore a good comb through and straightened it up a bit, maybe. But not right now, ta very much...
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playing trough the entire game for years to come only to start all over is not my cup of tea.
if i pay something, i expect something worthwhile in return.
and up until now, i have nothing good in return.
you might like to grind 15 months to get an epic, but i don't.
and as long as i'm paying my end, i expect that NCsoft gives there end.
i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
So, you'd rather pay for the Devs to give us patches, and bug fixes, and new content?
Oh, wait, thats what they DO give us
And, from that arguement, if you've ever made a new alt you should, by right, be a raging hypocrite.
If you don't like the game that much, theres the always this little option called 'Cancel subscription', y'know?
Anyway, did I say I liked having to strive for fifteen months? No, I hated it at times. But I felt that it was worth it, and being able to hold that up as an actual achivement over someone just starting is a very good feeling.
Incedently, its 'Through'. A trough is something thats usually only found on a farm
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IMO if you make a character, you should be able to from level 1.
you can talk about achievements, but having a cape at 2/5 of the game doesn't make sense, nether does it make sense that you need to be 3/5 of the game to have an aura.
if i want to make a character with electricity around him, i should not run trough the game, grinding my butt of just for that one thing.
it's a bit the same like the epics, i have to play trough the entire game, only to create a character and start all over again.
i don't see that is fun, nether as achievement, more an annoyance and a ridicules rule.
the fee is 12 euro per month, so that's 144 euro per year.
i can say that, after a year of playing, i strongly deserve to have what i'm paying for, and that includes everything from capes to epic AT's.
you can maybe say i look to much to that, but i rather say this then be the fool and keep it shut.
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Theres a huge difference there. Epic Archtypes are supposed to be just that. Epic. Capes dont have an impact on the game, per se, there a costume option, which should BE an option.
Epics, on the other hand, are fine as they are. Your jsut going to have to slog it out, like everyone else has. It took me fifteen god damned months to get my first Hero to 50, something similar for Villains. And you know what? That felt GOOD. THAT was an achievement worth having. Because you unlocked a whole new section of the game that was a lot of fun to play, and it was something that you had earned and no one else could just buy.
Thats my arguement. To have a character concept and then be unable to utilise it is made of fail. Some people can get away with combat auras, shoulder capes of Valkyrie capes. Others cannot. That, IMO, is unfair.
As for game lore, some of it gets in such a knot that I almost trust player lore more Have you ever tried reading the Bios of the Phalanx on the official main site? If they gave the lore a good comb through and straightened it up a bit, maybe. But not right now, ta very much...
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playing trough the entire game for years to come only to start all over is not my cup of tea.
if i pay something, i expect something worthwhile in return.
and up until now, i have nothing good in return.
you might like to grind 15 months to get an epic, but i don't.
and as long as i'm paying my end, i expect that NCsoft gives there end.
i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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Again you reach the same problem though, once you've played a Widow all the way to 50 what's left to do other than repeat old missions or start again?
At least this way they can give you something new for reaching lvl 50 the first time rather than give you everything from the word go.
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Perhaps because capes are so central to super hero "lore" that getting one should be seen as an achievement. Or to put it another way, it's something to look forward to, to generate anticipation, and therefore feels like a "reward". If there is something that can generate that same kind of anticipation, and be something people will want as much, then sure, move capes to lvl 1 and replace them with something else.
I have a feeling though you'd struggle to find something that would fit the bill as well.
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Apart from the fact that many have said they are not feeling rewarded by obtaining a cape, especially when they have played through the game several times.
And where is the reward for those who are starting the game with the Valkari pack? They already have a cape available to them. Where are the new Mac users saying that they feel rewarded by having to wait to get more capes? Where is the reward in just obtaining more? Sure it's nice, but I doubt it will be much of a sense of achievement. Not like the old days.
With that in mind, wouldn't it be better to give heroes access to a special costume (including a special cape and aura) at level 20, based on Hero 1's costume perhaps?
Currently, I am not convinced that the cape is really generating enough anticipation, across the player base, to warrant it being kept as a level 20 reward (I'm not saying my suggestion would, just to be clear on that).
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Perhaps because capes are so central to super hero "lore" that getting one should be seen as an achievement. Or to put it another way, it's something to look forward to, to generate anticipation, and therefore feels like a "reward". If there is something that can generate that same kind of anticipation, and be something people will want as much, then sure, move capes to lvl 1 and replace them with something else.
I have a feeling though you'd struggle to find something that would fit the bill as well.
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Apart from the fact that many have said they are not feeling rewarded by obtaining a cape, especially when they have played through the game several times.
And where is the reward for those who are starting the game with the Valkari pack? They already have a cape available to them. Where are the new Mac users saying that they feel rewarded by having to wait to get more capes? Where is the reward in just obtaining more? Sure it's nice, but I doubt it will be much of a sense of achievement. Not like the old days.
With that in mind, wouldn't it be better to give heroes access to a special costume (including a special cape and aura) at level 20, based on Hero 1's costume perhaps?
Currently, I am not convinced that the cape is really generating enough anticipation, across the player base, to warrant it being kept as a level 20 reward (I'm not saying my suggestion would, just to be clear on that).
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^ This. If it doesnt feel special, it doesnt fulfill its purpose (game lore/IC/whatever aside)
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Perhaps because capes are so central to super hero "lore" that getting one should be seen as an achievement. Or to put it another way, it's something to look forward to, to generate anticipation, and therefore feels like a "reward". If there is something that can generate that same kind of anticipation, and be something people will want as much, then sure, move capes to lvl 1 and replace them with something else.
I have a feeling though you'd struggle to find something that would fit the bill as well.
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Apart from the fact that many have said they are not feeling rewarded by obtaining a cape, especially when they have played through the game several times.
And where is the reward for those who are starting the game with the Valkari pack? They already have a cape available to them. Where are the new Mac users saying that they feel rewarded by having to wait to get more capes? Where is the reward in just obtaining more? Sure it's nice, but I doubt it will be much of a sense of achievement. Not like the old days.
With that in mind, wouldn't it be better to give heroes access to a special costume (including a special cape and aura) at level 20, based on Hero 1's costume perhaps?
Currently, I am not convinced that the cape is really generating enough anticipation, across the player base, to warrant it being kept as a level 20 reward (I'm not saying my suggestion would, just to be clear on that).
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^ This. If it doesnt feel special, it doesnt fulfill its purpose (game lore/IC/whatever aside)
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It has made being LESS special with trenchcoats/wings/shoulder capes dn now even with the valkerie pack. But I remember that the first time I did it. I had sweat in my palms that I might bungle it. Now I only do it for those heroes like my police officer for who this is a RP achievement. And for those reaching level 20 it is imo just good enough effort to feel they have earned the right.
To us Veterans it has lost its shine and compared to how it used to be it has lost more shine. Remember how much fun it was to finally fly? I remember using hover to fly all over the place! It was so special and such an achievement to finally have true flight. Nowadays people have the raptor pack at level 6.
Have you seen how many people walk around in a valkarie cossie? Why? Because it is new and shiny. Everybody loves getting fun stuff. Even if it is just one cossie part.
I like to preserve as much of the awesomeness I encountered when I started to play this game to the new players as is possible. Because it is more fun to earn your milestones and reap the rewards then it is to get them all at the same time and discover there is not much fun stuff awaiting you in the future.
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^^ This - which is why if you were going to make them available from level 1, do it as a veteran reward. Remember when wings first came out? It was City of Seagulls! Now you rarely see them (unless on a Valkyrie)
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Have you seen how many people walk around in a valkarie cossie? Why? Because it is new and shiny. Everybody loves getting fun stuff. Even if it is just one cossie part.
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^^ This - which is why if you were going to make them available from level 1, do it as a veteran reward. Remember when wings first came out? It was City of Seagulls! Now you rarely see them (unless on a Valkyrie)
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Actually, I wouldn't mind that at all. I think it would have to be bundled in to one of the early ones though (3 or 6 months) because the chances are you would have done a cape mission by then and if you hadn't then you are likely to be the type of player for whome having a cape at level 1 would be a major benefit.
You know what, I wouldn't even mind if capes were available on all characters after you had completed the cape mission on one character... perhaps through a special accolade?
That would be more of an achievement wouldn't it? Like getting access to the epics. You've achieved something once and so therefore you have access to this special item for your new characters.
I'm all for keeping the wonderful experiences that I had for the new players as well. I do question, however, how wonderful the cape mission is for those who start the game with the Valkari cape and what sense of achievement they would get out of it.
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^^ This - which is why if you were going to make them available from level 1, do it as a veteran reward. Remember when wings first came out? It was City of Seagulls! Now you rarely see them (unless on a Valkyrie)
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Actually, I wouldn't mind that at all. I think it would have to be bundled in to one of the early ones though (3 or 6 months) because the chances are you would have done a cape mission by then and if you hadn't then you are likely to be the type of player for whome having a cape at level 1 would be a major benefit.
You know what, I wouldn't even mind if capes were available on all characters after you had completed the cape mission on one character... perhaps through a special accolade?
That would be more of an achievement wouldn't it? Like getting access to the epics. You've achieved something once and so therefore you have access to this special item for your new characters.
I'm all for keeping the wonderful experiences that I had for the new players as well. I do question, however, how wonderful the cape mission is for those who start the game with the Valkari cape and what sense of achievement they would get out of it.
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Less achievement then I had unfortunately and for that I pity them. But I guess I could live with the special accolade thingie or vet reward.
45 months still need a good vet reward
I think a good compromise would be to make the capes from lvl1 be included in... say... the 12 month veteran badge, and aura's 24? Though that just draws the paralel of the ingame difference in level. To me, they're not tha different. Well, the aura's I've found are less likely to be of use, but that's probably just me.
That said, even putting it in the 45 month badge (which is lacking to say the least) could be done?
They definitely need to come after shoulder capes, in my opion.
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Oh, why do you think that?
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They definitely need to come after shoulder capes, in my opion.
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Oh, why do you think that?
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That's fairly obvious really. Shoulder capes aren't a "full" cape, they're more like a trainee cape. Thus, it would logically follow that you'd get access to them sooner than FULL capes.
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Well...If it was up to me, I'd make auras into inventions. with aura mission converted to some kind of micro-TF or trial oe whatever offering aura recipes as rewards.
Cape mission actually isn't THAT bad... although maybe it would be nice to have it earlier, say at Lvl 14 (of course with modifications.)
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That's fairly obvious really. Shoulder capes aren't a "full" cape, they're more like a trainee cape. Thus, it would logically follow that you'd get access to them sooner than FULL capes.
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Well I was wondering if it was that or something else actually. I was actually thinking that over 21 months might be a little long to wait for them when some can get a cape on there very first character.
On the other hand, I can understand the 'not "full" capes' argument. I am still thinking, actually, it might be better as an accolade.
And we all agree that Auras need at least another explanation. At the very least they should be based on Origin.
Now for consensus about how Granny Baker will get her tommygun before she gets to old! I found out I can farm Steel Mayhem mission. 3 bosses in each. That means doing it 34 times And who know she might get lucky and bump into a newspaper mission with the correct mooks inside.
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IMO if you make a character, you should be able to from level 1.
you can talk about achievements, but having a cape at 2/5 of the game doesn't make sense, nether does it make sense that you need to be 3/5 of the game to have an aura.
if i want to make a character with electricity around him, i should not run trough the game, grinding my butt of just for that one thing.
it's a bit the same like the epics, i have to play trough the entire game, only to create a character and start all over again.
i don't see that is fun, nether as achievement, more an annoyance and a ridicules rule.
the fee is 12 euro per month, so that's 144 euro per year.
i can say that, after a year of playing, i strongly deserve to have what i'm paying for, and that includes everything from capes to epic AT's.
you can maybe say i look to much to that, but i rather say this then be the fool and keep it shut.
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Theres a huge difference there. Epic Archtypes are supposed to be just that. Epic. Capes dont have an impact on the game, per se, there a costume option, which should BE an option.
Epics, on the other hand, are fine as they are. Your jsut going to have to slog it out, like everyone else has. It took me fifteen god damned months to get my first Hero to 50, something similar for Villains. And you know what? That felt GOOD. THAT was an achievement worth having. Because you unlocked a whole new section of the game that was a lot of fun to play, and it was something that you had earned and no one else could just buy.
Thats my arguement. To have a character concept and then be unable to utilise it is made of fail. Some people can get away with combat auras, shoulder capes of Valkyrie capes. Others cannot. That, IMO, is unfair.
As for game lore, some of it gets in such a knot that I almost trust player lore more Have you ever tried reading the Bios of the Phalanx on the official main site? If they gave the lore a good comb through and straightened it up a bit, maybe. But not right now, ta very much...
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playing trough the entire game for years to come only to start all over is not my cup of tea.
if i pay something, i expect something worthwhile in return.
and up until now, i have nothing good in return.
you might like to grind 15 months to get an epic, but i don't.
and as long as i'm paying my end, i expect that NCsoft gives there end.
i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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Dude, you don't go through the same stuff over again, the epics have their own storylines to follow, it's new content.
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IMO if you make a character, you should be able to from level 1.
you can talk about achievements, but having a cape at 2/5 of the game doesn't make sense, nether does it make sense that you need to be 3/5 of the game to have an aura.
if i want to make a character with electricity around him, i should not run trough the game, grinding my butt of just for that one thing.
it's a bit the same like the epics, i have to play trough the entire game, only to create a character and start all over again.
i don't see that is fun, nether as achievement, more an annoyance and a ridicules rule.
the fee is 12 euro per month, so that's 144 euro per year.
i can say that, after a year of playing, i strongly deserve to have what i'm paying for, and that includes everything from capes to epic AT's.
you can maybe say i look to much to that, but i rather say this then be the fool and keep it shut.
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Theres a huge difference there. Epic Archtypes are supposed to be just that. Epic. Capes dont have an impact on the game, per se, there a costume option, which should BE an option.
Epics, on the other hand, are fine as they are. Your jsut going to have to slog it out, like everyone else has. It took me fifteen god damned months to get my first Hero to 50, something similar for Villains. And you know what? That felt GOOD. THAT was an achievement worth having. Because you unlocked a whole new section of the game that was a lot of fun to play, and it was something that you had earned and no one else could just buy.
Thats my arguement. To have a character concept and then be unable to utilise it is made of fail. Some people can get away with combat auras, shoulder capes of Valkyrie capes. Others cannot. That, IMO, is unfair.
As for game lore, some of it gets in such a knot that I almost trust player lore more Have you ever tried reading the Bios of the Phalanx on the official main site? If they gave the lore a good comb through and straightened it up a bit, maybe. But not right now, ta very much...
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playing trough the entire game for years to come only to start all over is not my cup of tea.
if i pay something, i expect something worthwhile in return.
and up until now, i have nothing good in return.
you might like to grind 15 months to get an epic, but i don't.
and as long as i'm paying my end, i expect that NCsoft gives there end.
i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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Well then stop playing! Or, if you really want a widow, why don't you WORK to get it? A lot of people have, if they had Epics from the start they would be no point in all the debt, sweat and tears ( ) they shed.
Don't expect to be given a promotion in a job once you've actually got the job. You have to prove yourself to the employer.
Don't expect to be put in the first team in a football team because they just signed you.
You need to work, that's life, end of story.
This post is not intended as a personal attack, just my observations!
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Then this game is probably not your cup of tea. It's not about the end level content like most other games, it's about the journey and the alts.
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That being a working game on working servers.
We get bonus free expansions to boot, woo!
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and up until now, i have nothing good in return.
you might like to grind 15 months to get an epic, but i don't.
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If the epics (and only 1 or 2 versions of them) are all you're interested in, I think you picked the wrong game.
Maybe the right theme, and there aren't many alternatives... but it's clear this game isn't for you.
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That being a working game on working servers.
We get bonus free expansions to boot, woo!
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i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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Can't please everyone of course, shame but them's the cards.
I hope you find more fulfillment in your next game.
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i don't like this game for how it is, i only want to play the widow, nothing els.
if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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But you were playing more than 3 months before I12 (and the widows) was launched...
Something confusing here 
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Now for consensus about how Granny Baker will get her tommygun before she gets to old! I found out I can farm Steel Mayhem mission. 3 bosses in each. That means doing it 34 times And who know she might get lucky and bump into a newspaper mission with the correct mooks inside.
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Can't you get a higher level friend to save a mission with Family in it for you to farm? Or let people know you're looking for a Family mission, so they can save it for when you're available to farm it?
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if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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if i knew this would happen, i would never bought this game.
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Have you ever tried reading the Bios of the Phalanx on the official main site? If they gave the lore a good comb through and straightened it up a bit, maybe. But not right now, ta very much...
IMO if you make a character, you should be able to from level 1.
you can talk about achievements, but having a cape at 2/5 of the game doesn't make sense, nether does it make sense that you need to be 3/5 of the game to have an aura.
if i want to make a character with electricity around him, i should not run trough the game, grinding my butt of just for that one thing.
it's a bit the same like the epics, i have to play trough the entire game, only to create a character and start all over again.
i don't see that is fun, nether as achievement, more an annoyance and a ridicules rule.
the fee is 12 euro per month, so that's 144 euro per year.
i can say that, after a year of playing, i strongly deserve to have what i'm paying for, and that includes everything from capes to epic AT's.
you can maybe say i look to much to that, but i rather say this then be the fool and keep it shut.
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Theres a huge difference there. Epic Archtypes are supposed to be just that. Epic. Capes dont have an impact on the game, per se, there a costume option, which should BE an option.
Epics, on the other hand, are fine as they are. Your jsut going to have to slog it out, like everyone else has. It took me fifteen god damned months to get my first Hero to 50, something similar for Villains. And you know what? That felt GOOD. THAT was an achievement worth having. Because you unlocked a whole new section of the game that was a lot of fun to play, and it was something that you had earned and no one else could just buy.
Thats my arguement. To have a character concept and then be unable to utilise it is made of fail. Some people can get away with combat auras, shoulder capes of Valkyrie capes. Others cannot. That, IMO, is unfair.
As for game lore, some of it gets in such a knot that I almost trust player lore more