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My main's search comment is "No blinds, fills, farms or PLing, please send a tell with details" - he's currently on Search-hide because I'm so sick of the pointless tells from people who have ignored that (Oh, and he's typically flagged as Not Looking when he's not hidden, just like most people are). My secondary character has "Dual-boxing. This toon will NOT answer tells", though perhaps that should say 'invites' - she's on my second account and I make a point of not answering any messages that get sent to her, because when she's online I have precisely NO interest in reaching across to my second PC and clicking on anything I don't have to. If someone can't be bothered to take the two seconds it takes to read search comments, then I have no interest in teaming with them. That may be arrogant and selfish of me, but... well, it's my money and I can play the game how I like, as long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's enjoyment. On the very rare times when I'm playing that character on my main PC, I don't bother to change the search comment, because I'm usually roleplaying, though I will generally reply to /tells, as politely as the /tell itself comes in, usually with a smidgeon of annoyance that the player hasn't bothered to read the comment.

Last night is a prime example of this, actually:

Other Player: [Tell] farm?
Me: [Tell] read?
Other Player: [Tell] Sorry, I'm Spanish, my English is not so good.
Me: [Tell] No problem. In that case, thank you for asking, but not right now. Have fun!


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The thing is most people with 'no blinds' aren't asking for a "we're doing X in X zone fighting X" most people are perfectly happy with "do you want to team?"...five words takes about...what..2 seconds if you're a mediocore typing speed...your telling me you can't be bothered to take 2 seconds out of your day to send someone a tell asking if they want to team?


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Whenever I see the 'mo blinds tab' I know the person is rude and arrogant so I just don't invite.

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Whenever I get a blind invite from someone I don't know I feel the same way and I ignore it. I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've been on a level 50 and got a blind invite from a level 2 wanting to be power levelled. It's funny the first couple of times but it really gets annoying after a while.


 

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How about if someone spams lft in broadcast. Do I need to ask them? Flagging yourself as looking for a team is equivalent to broadcasting lft.


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Not quite. It just means you haven't got around to turning the flag off. It defaults to looking for team.


 

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If you send a tell most people even refuse to answer the message at all. Which is disheartening.

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I always make a point of answering a tell, if I actually see it. The problem at the moment is that the system is so borked, half the tells don't get through at all or they are truncated to the point of being completely useless. I think we have to assume that if we don't get an answer these days, it's the system rather than the player.


 

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How about if someone spams lft in broadcast. Do I need to ask them? Flagging yourself as looking for a team is equivalent to broadcasting lft.


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Not quite. It just means you haven't got around to turning the flag off. It defaults to looking for team.

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No, it defaults to Not looking for team. You have to manually set it to LFT every time. I think it even resets to not looking when you quit a team too.

I'm not a big fan of blind invites. I often accept them, depending on my mood and whether I want to team, but prefer a tell.

Something I am seeing more of is a tell immediatly followed by an invite. This bothers me a little more than blinds, as it strikes me as impatient, and my experience with teams that start like that is not good. I just like the chance to reply first, seems more polite. I liken it to knocking on someones door and then just walking in.


 

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Communication, imho, is the key to a successful, enjoyable teaming experience. Rightly or wrongly I view blind invites as an early indicator that the teaming experience isn't going to be that great. That's why I prefer a tell before joining a team.

I regularly start teams or take on the star when a team leader quits. I have absolutely no problem at all sending tells to people asking them if they want to join, whether they say that they accept blinds or not. If I don't, how do I know if they're interested in joining in what we're doing?


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It takes all of 2 seconds to click the no button and seeing as you can't invite when someone is inside a mission i'd love to know how that's ever been a problem for you.

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Well that wasn't directed at me but I'll tell you what the problems are...

Blind invites from people way outside your level range, you can't tell without having to either join the team and travel all the way to the zone they are in or do a time consuming search.

Blind invites that bring up a dialog right in the middle of the screen while you are in a fight - not all fights happen on instanced missions, you HAVE to get that damn thing out of the way so you can continue your fight.

9 times out of 10 the blind invite is from someone who is doing something that I have no interest in at all. Sending the blind invite might have saved the person sending it a few seconds but it's wasted my time.


 

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No, it defaults to Not looking for team. You have to manually set it to LFT every time. I think it even resets to not looking when you quit a team too.

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Hmm, you're right. Wonder if that was a relatively recent change. I'm pretty sure it used to default to looking for team when I arrived many moons ago - could be wrong of course - it happens


 

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You summed it up in your OP. You do not like your time being wasted, the same can be said for a lot of people who put 'no blinds' in their search comment.

A blind invite contains no information - what level is the team, how many members does it have, what type of missions are you doing? That sort of thing. Even if the recipient of the invite is looking for a team they are well withing their rights to ask for a message before getting invites - So that they dont waste their time.

With the number of fill and farm requests you get these days I think a polite message is even more justified.


 

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Not quite. It just means you haven't got around to turning the flag off. It defaults to looking for team.

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True.

But, if you flag yourself as lft on one char, then log out and log in another, you will be flagged as lft on that char too without having set it.


 

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I think they need to change the team invite dialog to contain the level of the inviter, what zone they're in, and possibly also list the other team members and their levels.


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If you send a tell most people even refuse to answer the message at all. Which is disheartening.

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I always make a point of answering a tell, if I actually see it. The problem at the moment is that the system is so borked, half the tells don't get through at all or they are truncated to the point of being completely useless. I think we have to assume that if we don't get an answer these days, it's the system rather than the player.

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Yeah nowadays replies getting lower and lower to tells. Maybe because of that current bug or at low levels there are many trial accounts arround.

Also there is a great thing, send from people who wants to join your team. This way my teams fill faster even if i can't get replies to my tells or not many people around interested in teaming.


 

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Not quite. It just means you haven't got around to turning the flag off. It defaults to looking for team.

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True.

But, if you flag yourself as lft on one char, then log out and log in another, you will be flagged as lft on that char too without having set it.

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Ahh, interesting, didn't realise this, thanks.


 

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I think they need to change the team invite dialog to contain the level of the inviter, what zone they're in, and possibly also list the other team members and their levels.

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This was what i love about DDO. It's social panel consist that information plus which quest they will be doing and what kind of class the team needs. All you need to do was click on the join button and team leader will get a message consisting your characters level and class.

On that system you can open a quest panel and continue do your stuff (like buying, selling, banking etc.) and wait for your team to fill.

I hope one day we can get something like this in CoH. That will be a great help for teaming.


 

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I myself am a user that puts no blinds and sometimes no farm or fills depending on the toon. In my experience however most have had the decency to ask and usually I am LFT so I say "Sure, sign me up."

You have to understand that while some of us are looking for a team we might be in the middle of a solo mission or running Auction errands while waiting for an invite and it can be bothersome for the invite pop up to show up right in front of you while you have something else on. It’s just something most of us do to prevent a little annoyance from happening.

Now what I will take your side on though is the frustration of people incorrectly flagging themselves when active. It is ok for some players to insist on the No Blinds rule and it is your call if you want to belittle and scream at people that can't follow the instruction of taking a few seconds out to send a tell. If you do that though, make sure you practice what you preach which some people do not and take a few seconds out correctly flagging your active toon depending on what you are looking for.

Moment I log into a toon I am setting up which flag is appropriate for what I am about to do. If I am going to run a few errands first, or when I went to RP meets, then I flag Red. No one can blind invite me then and they are forced to send a tell. Of course I politely explain why I am busy and usually offer to send a tell back later if I am then LFT and they want a spot filling.

If I am outright LFT then I flag myself Green for Mission team or White for anything. Yes No Blinds rule is still in affect but we have all stated why we have that rule. However because I have flagged myself LFT because that is what I am after, then hopefully I am able to quickly reply with a "Sure, sign me up". Sometimes I get caught in a fight and can't reply there and then. I always make the effort to eventually reply and apologise for my late response.

Can’t say that I have ever had any bother with anyone as a result and I have not needed to /hide myself ether. Not that I am knocking anyone that does /hide themselves as there are valid reasons for them doing so.

So while I disagree with the OP over the No Blind rule, I have to show sympathy for them when they have sent a tell to someone flagged LFT but gets a snotty reply saying they are not looking. I know that this is no where near everyone doing this but anyone that has No Blinds in their message, is not LFT but has not made the effort to correctly flag themselves, your only inviting grief.


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Yeah nowadays replies getting lower and lower to tells. Maybe because of that current bug or at low levels there are many trial accounts around.


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There's another good point as far as I'm aware trial accounts cant use the /tell system so there only chance of getting a team is blind invites as they cant send a tell to ask now if this is something they need to do in the early lvls if they continue to play the game there more than likely going to continue on sending "blind" invites


 

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If you send a tell most people even refuse to answer the message at all. Which is disheartening.

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I always make a point of answering a tell, if I actually see it. The problem at the moment is that the system is so borked, half the tells don't get through at all or they are truncated to the point of being completely useless. I think we have to assume that if we don't get an answer these days, it's the system rather than the player.

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Yeah nowadays replies getting lower and lower to tells. Maybe because of that current bug or at low levels there are many trial accounts arround.

Also there is a great thing, send from people who wants to join your team. This way my teams fill faster even if i can't get replies to my tells or not many people around interested in teaming.

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It is not just the tell bug. The bug don't help of course but before it appeared to many people didn't bother to return the call.

BTW just spend 2 hours online. Guess what 0 tells, 0 invites. I don't understand what the problem is. It is not as if people are spamming to invite you.


 

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If i'm lft, and a blind pops up, once do a /search to make sure is simialr level of my char ill proberly accept.

If i recieve a tell before hand then i will prob join to, provided similar levels .


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And in all honesty, the lfg tool in city of heroes is kinda rubbish.
It's great to flag yourself for lfg, as you can indeed set it to intrested in TF/Missions/etc and a comment to it. If i'm out to do a TF i actually put in comment which tf i wanna do and flag myself as looking for TF.

Often i set it to looking for any, as i might be up for just missions or a TF, but in which case i would like a tell, usually with info if they plan to do radios only, other missions or a tf. I might be bored of radio missions that day etc.

But using the lft tool to actually find a team is where it fails. I can see who are teamed and who are solo, but i cannot see if teams are full, what they're doing etc. Because thats what it boils down to mostly, lack of information.


 

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There's another good point as far as I'm aware trial accounts cant use the /tell system so there only chance of getting a team is blind invites as they cant send a tell

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That's a good point and it's one that I had completely forgotten about. Another case of a fix to one problem causing a completely new one. I'm not sure banning trial accounts from using the communication tools was such a great decision to be honest. It's removed a fundamental part of the game from the trial accounts, the very people we need to be trying to keep here I'd have thought.


 

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BTW just spend 2 hours online. Guess what 0 tells, 0 invites. I don't understand what the problem is. It is not as if people are spamming to invite you.

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With all due respect, what would you expect at 10am on a weekday? Most people are at school/college/uni/work.


 

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BTW just spend 2 hours online. Guess what 0 tells, 0 invites. I don't understand what the problem is. It is not as if people are spamming to invite you.

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TBH 8-10am on a work/school day morning isn't exactly peak population time.


 

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also a tip regarding the garbled tells...while backspace doesn't reply to them, you can use /r to reply to them if you don't zone/leave mission before replying to them.


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BTW just spend 2 hours online. Guess what 0 tells, 0 invites. I don't understand what the problem is. It is not as if people are spamming to invite you.

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TBH 8-10am on a work/school day morning isn't exactly peak population time.

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True, but this happens often enough during 'peak' hours as well. If you get 2 tells an hour during peak hour then that's a lot. Outside peak hour you won't even have that problem.