Side kicking- lose it.


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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?


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im crying on the inside


 

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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?

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I am good and evil at the same time so therefore I cannot have an evil twin.


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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?

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I am good and evil at the same time so therefore I cannot have an evil twin.

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You can't be both at once - so you either have an evil twin, or you have a clone that turned evil, or you're the good clone of your true self, which is evil


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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?

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I am good and evil at the same time so therefore I cannot have an evil twin.

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You can't be both at once - so you either have an evil twin, or you have a clone that turned evil, or you're the good clone of your true self, which is evil

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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.


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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.

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There are trees inside banks?


@Golden Girl

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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.

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There are trees inside banks?

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What else do you think money grows on?


 

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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.

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There are trees inside banks?

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I save kittens from trees on my way to the bank. Use some common sense.


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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.

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There are trees inside banks?

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I save kittens from trees on my way to the bank. Use some common sense.

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But that's not at the same time then


@Golden Girl

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I am my true self thank you very much. I am good and evil - both at the same time. I save kittens from trees whilst robbing banks. All in a days work, y'know.

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There are trees inside banks?

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I save kittens from trees on my way to the bank. Use some common sense.

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But that's not at the same time then

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I use Ouroboros to go back in time so it looks like I am doing it at the same time.


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Still not the same

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Technically, it is. There will be two of me at one point in time - one robbing a bank, the other saving kittens. Therefore, I am doing both at the same time.


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Still not the same

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Technically, it is. There will be two of me at one point in time - one robbing a bank, the other saving kittens. Therefore, I am doing both at the same time.

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But as two separate people


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edit: Due to a really inaccurate thread title I did miss the point.

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Scarlet, I'm not saying drop it at all. I'm saying improve it.

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You might have been better saying that you wanted to improve the system in the title then... as it stands it rather sounds like you want rid.

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The title was deliberate, although I intended a question mark, because I wanted people to look at it.

In one sense it may have been a misjudgement. On the other hand I wrote a whole post outlining what I really meant so I struggle to really understand why the title would end up causeing so much consternation and misconceptions.


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Imho Sidekicks, Examplers, Malefactors, Lackeys are really meant for roleplaying elements I mean you can't really have a Super-Hero MMO without sidekicks can you?
What I'm trying to say is, there can't be a Weasel without the Baboon Y'know?
Or even a better example where would Zordan be without Alpha?


 

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Still not the same

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Technically, it is. There will be two of me at one point in time - one robbing a bank, the other saving kittens. Therefore, I am doing both at the same time.

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But as two separate people

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Not really as I am those two people.


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Still not the same

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Technically, it is. There will be two of me at one point in time - one robbing a bank, the other saving kittens. Therefore, I am doing both at the same time.

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But as two separate people

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Not really as I am those two people.

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You can't be if you're in two places at once


@Golden Girl

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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?

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Why do you ALWAYS have to take a thread off topic, GG? It gets kinda tedious, y'know?


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Rapthorn posted that he thought the thread wasn't worth posting in...

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I never said that. Do you know any other Rapthorn's on this Forum? Maybe one of them said it.

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Your evil twin, perhaps?

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Why do you ALWAYS have to take a thread off topic, GG? It gets kinda tedious, y'know?

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The only thing more tedious than the troll are the keepers who feed it.

If no one replied to her inane witterings we wouldn't have to scroll through pages of carp.


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*looks at the Thread Title*

*looks at Lionsbane's Signature*

*leaves the the Thread shaking his head*


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What the heck was that? You saying its a good idea If so why? You saying its a bad idea? If so, why?

Why bother to even go to the keyboard then to reply just to say something like that?

What is your point?

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If people were auto-mentored they'd still be able to power-level themselves. <insert Level 50 here> invites a load of low levels into a Level 53 mission. All the lowbies are then in EXP galore. Would it be any different from now? Nope.

As for being mentored one level below the Threat Level of the enemies, the Level cap is 50 so that wouldn't be possbible (I think).

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Oh yes. We must do everyting we can to prevent the evil of power levelling. I don't even see why anyone cares, it's a big brother mentality that I just can't cope with, especially considering I was raised in a socialistic hell where the politicians thought they knew better than everyone else. If people wanna PL let'em, go ahead and mind your own business and play the game the way you want to. Sorry, I don't mean to poke anyone with a pointy stick. But the "stop people from PL" makes me tired.


 

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Oh yes. We must do everyting we can to prevent the evil of power levelling. I don't even see why anyone cares, it's a big brother mentality that I just can't cope with, especially considering I was raised in a socialistic hell where the politicians thought they knew better than everyone else. If people wanna PL let'em, go ahead and mind your own business and play the game the way you want to. Sorry, I don't mean to poke anyone with a pointy stick. But the "stop people from PL" makes me tired.

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My one issue with PL'ing is one which stems from my impression of other games (and as such may be totally inaccurate).
In some other games it is suggested that the game starts at the level cap. This would lead me to the idea that someone from one of these other games could come in, get powerlevelled to the level cap, discover that the game doesn't start at 50 and leave with a bad impression of CoX which is then spread amongst friends and guildmates.

That is my issue with PL'ing. Saying that I don't really understand it, personally. PL'ing seems to be a way of NOT playing your character... surely if you don't want to play a character you ...em...just don't. But then I am sure I am missing something there.

Anyway, despite this long reply it is a different debate from the one the OP started. As for that debate; I, personally haven't ever found the current SK system to be a problem and, as such, feel a change as suggested would be very low on my own personal priority list.


 

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Although the idea of having auto sk the op intended has some merits I prefer the current ones.

Why? Simple, not mentioning some other benefits (powerleveling, badges etc) in detail, I prefer to have some things done by hand. Not every thing has to be automated. I don't want CoH to become a game (exageration here) where i just click an enemy and the game engine deals with everything. I like to react to things. Including deciding how to SK somebody.

Also there is the RP element. Traditionally every hero got 1 sk and not a bunch of em.


 

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Auto-sidekicking is a bad idea. End of story. And it's for the simple reason that it lacks the flexibility of the current system. And what about teams with widely-varied levels? Does everyone get automatically sidekicked to just beneath the highest member? Is that really a good thing?

Maybe it'd be nice as an option, but a lot of players enjoy the extra experience gained by being a few levels below the missions lead character, and I don't think I would like to give that up anytime soon.


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Without reading the whole thread, because I'm feeling particularly lazy tonight.

The way I see it is Auto-Sidekicking isn't a terrible idea. In fact, I can see situations where it'd be a damn sight more useful than what we currently have. Provided it wasn't used to just powerlevel 7 toons at once rather than the 4 or so people do now. How often does that happen though eh?

All in all though, I do think that our current system is better as it fits the whole premise of a sidekick. Someone showing the ropes to a new player. Though I would prefer it if the maximum range was increased slightly. Them boxes can really crowd up a screen if you're all moving about mid battle.


 

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Without reading the whole thread, because I'm feeling particularly lazy tonight.

The way I see it is Auto-Sidekicking isn't a terrible idea. In fact, I can see situations where it'd be a damn sight more useful than what we currently have. Provided it wasn't used to just powerlevel 7 toons at once rather than the 4 or so people do now. How often does that happen though eh?

All in all though, I do think that our current system is better as it fits the whole premise of a sidekick. Someone showing the ropes to a new player. Though I would prefer it if the maximum range was increased slightly. Them boxes can really crowd up a screen if you're all moving about mid battle.

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What really has to be considered here is the attitude of the boards themselves. If, for example, there was no side kick syustem in place and the devs announced they'd introduce one, or I suggested the syatem, the boards would be full of the downside. (PLing in particular)

I remember suggesting that respecs should be more freely available and a typical answer critisised me because free respecs would somehow taint the sanctity of the current respec system. The fact that locking a new player into a bad build iusnt necessarily a good idea commercially didnt seem to come into it.

So it's very difficult to really get a clear proportionate response here.

I put it forward, and while the concept has had some support, its had more detractors.

I've heard the reasoning out, dont buy into a lot of it because quite frankly, the current system supports PLing far more than an auto sk that will only allow pro rata xp regardless of the level of the mission.

I have no doubt there will be occasional teaming with stone tankers and kin controllers but again, given that the the auto sked player would only get proportonate xp, how many people would actually do that? Strictly speaking, youde be better off in your own team on an unyeilding mission wouldnt you?

So what ever motive yioy would have for joining a higher leveling mission, Power levelling would be at the bottom of the list.

In fact I've been reading this thread about all the comic book heroes who sk and how the current system matches the concept.

Ironically it doesnt match it at all because the primary reason for SKing (aside from teaming with friends) is power levelling. And If I took a poll out of how many sk to join a friend and how many sk to power level, I think I know which one would come out on top.

What would be the point of going to an auto sked mission to power level if the most xp you would get would be 1 levels worth of xp above what you get if you fight an even levelled con now?

As I've said I just think auto would remove the ulterier motives for sking pretty much entirely and just make it easier for teaming in general and more challenging cause its a lot easier taking on the malta with an 8 man 50 team than it is with a few mentoired 10s or 20s thrown into the mix.

But like I said, those are my thoughts. I cant pursue this here because the boards, apart from a few notables, seems so much against it.


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