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I don't know, I haven't been told what I think yet. 
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I'm against this, it'd make the game too bizarre.
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You're playing a game where people can fly, teleport, fire energy beams from their hands, turn invisible, and perform moves like Head Splitter without actually killing the target.
And you think changing sex is too bizarre? 
There's a HUGE number of quite valid reasons for being able to do this, most of which have been mentioned already. It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not?
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You're telling me, if Superman, or Spiderman got his bits swapped, and started sporting a pair of breasts, you WOULD'NT find that odd? Or bizarre?
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No I wouldn't think it's wierd, in fact I'm now found wondering if they've covered it yet, and if not, why not?
uhmm, the line " don't like it, don't use it" is what many games use, even while you're not aware of it.
just look at GW for instant, there are plenty of ppl against pve-only skills, but that doesn't stop Anet to implant it.
there is another thing you need to remember, "because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean SOMEONE ELS doesn't ether"
you might not like a corrupter at all, but that doesn't stop NCsoft updating and maintaining it.
i don't like to play a controller, but that doesn't mean NCsolf removes it....
Very true, but expressing an opinion about it one way or another is still allowed, isn't it? Sometimes I'm not so sure...
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
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i don't mind opinions at all, i mind ppl who say it as "it shouldn't" rather then "i think".
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i don't mind opinions at all, i mind ppl who say it as "it shouldn't" rather then "i think".
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I don't think you'll ever find me uttering those words; INFACT.
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If transgender superheroes are brought into the comic world, then that's fine, but I don't think CoH should be the arc to bring it.
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And I've used the phrase "in my opinion" so many times, my fingers hurt.
Ooh! Ooh! Are we listing things we don't like? Can I join in? Please? Pretty please?
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Ahem. Now that's off my chest, let me take a moment to explain my thoughts, here. Of course, if any "HAI! FG IS TEH BIGOT N HE IZ AGAINST TRANSGENDERED/SEXUAL PEOPLE!" minded people are reading, feel free to read whatever else you want, then insult me for whatever your tiny little brains THINK I've said.
1. Russell T Davis sucks. I'm not saying that because of his sexual preferences, I'm saying this because the dude's an idiot. My workplace manager shares the same preferences as RTD (and oddly, looks a bit like him) and I have to say, that never enters my mind when I'm working for him, or we're grabbing a beer after work. Someone's sexual identity doesn't matter, only the personality behind it.
2. My girlfriend and I (sorry to disappoint certain people, but Stasis IS actually female. I have proof) disagree on a LOT of stuff. I'm not talking about the basic 'where to eat' type of things, but on such matters as the death penalty, equality in the workplace, REAL matters. And, you know what? It doesn't bother me. Her opinion is JUST as valid as mine - just because we're on opposite viewpoints on certain things doesn't mean she doesn't respect my opinion, and vice versa. It always makes me laugh to see knee-jerk "You're against my opinions, therefore you're against ME!" reactions that the internet seems to spawn. Stop assuming, and start talking.
3. I'm not for changing the gender of the character. As I've already stated in a post, it's not for me. If we get it, fine, I won't use it. If not, then I wouldn't care less. It doesn't ruin the game that you can't change your gender, and Adding the feature won't improve the gameplay. (Note: I said gameplay, not how you play the game. If you're going to take an issue with THAT, then go roll a 1d12 and tell me how bad your insult's going to be on a Critical Chart, so I can cower). Would CoH lose subscribers based on the lack of this being added? Potentially, yes. But you signed up for the game, and have played HOWEVER many months/years/I don't actually care without this ability - do you really think that it's the ONE thing that's going to turn the game into the "Best game ever"? Of course it won't. There are various tweaks, bug fixes, serious issues that NEED to be rectified...but, hell, let's make the Dev team spend their time making THIS happen instead.
"It's okay, guys, the game's falling apart, everything's buggy as hell, but it's fine, because I can make my male character grow [censored]! THAT'S what we needed."
Now, I have friends (from this game, as it happens) who happen to be people who were born one gender, but consider themselves another.. Okay, cool, whatever works for them. I don't consider their [censored], or lack of, when I'm talking to them - the same way I don't care if you're Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Christian, Jewish, Jehovah's Witness, Athiest...what you look like doesn't matter. Your sexuality doesn't matter. Your beliefs don't matter. It's WHO YOU ARE that does. Regardless of whether this is about shape-shifting in-game (which, as people have pointed out, we already have) or something deeper for certain people - people are reading too much into the intent of words, and not reading the words themselves.
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IT MAKES NO SENSE, MAN! If I wanted to listen to music like that, I'd throw my Gibson down the stairs.
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IT MAKES NO SENSE, MAN! If I wanted to listen to music like that, I'd throw my Gibson down the stairs.
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Well, your playing sounds like that's what you do anyway. 
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IT MAKES NO SENSE, MAN! If I wanted to listen to music like that, I'd throw my Gibson down the stairs.
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IT MAKES NO SENSE, MAN! If I wanted to listen to music like that, I'd throw my Gibson down the stairs.
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I'm with FG on this one.
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What that he should throe his Gibson down the stairs? seems a bit extreem to me
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My girlfriend and I (sorry to disappoint certain people, but Stasis IS actually female. I have proof) disagree on a LOT of stuff.
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No we don't.
And stop blowing my cover. Now how will I chat up busty Amazons?
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Would you please stop telling those of us that are skeptical of this idea that we have ulterior motives?
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I have read your replies, I happen to think you're wrong. Speaking as someone who not only knows several hundred people who suffer (or not) from issues that an result in a 'sex change', and who looks at one of those in the mirror when I can't avoid it. I really dislike the idea that, this shouldn't be in the game because it is a subject that is unfit for the consumption of minors, which is what you and others seem to be saying.
When in fact it is a subject that has no age related bearing at all, anyone of any age can suffer from it, it is a complicated mental health issue with a variety of sources that can grievously injure many people for long periods of time, some, perhaps many don't survive.
But it doesn't need discussing here, this is a game where each of us can be who we want to be providing we don't breach the copyright of other IPs and refrain from being coarse. Being able to change the body type is no different from being able to shoot laser beams from our eyes or leap from tall buildings without dying.
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As for our arguments being for our "own gain", how strange. We can't sway the devs, we can simply state why we're unsure of the idea or simply do not want it - surely those of you who're arguing that it would be a good and useful change are (also) doing so for your own gain? You'd actually gain something from it, after all.
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It may be a bad idea, I don't personally think so, but there seems to be two things being said as to why its bad, one is that its bad because it would draw attention away from other improvements, which is fine go for it I understand that reason.
I don't understand why it is a 'mature' subject, I don't understand why it shouldn't be in the game because kids may not understand it or because they may be offended. Thats no more logical that any of the other debatable ethical aspects of the game, especially the bad side where all sorts of nasty stuff happens. On top of which with a 16 rating (voluntary true) its not like the game is primarily aimed at the younger end of the market anyway.
Do you have an ulterior motive? Yes of course you do or you wouldn't bother posting in this thread, I'd guess your motive is that you would rather time be spent on other issues.
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No we don't.
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I did wonder.
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So lets all stop suggesting anything until all the bugs are fixed?
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So lets all stop suggesting anything until all the bugs are fixed?
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No, suggestions and debate are a good thing. I'd like to think that occasionally, the Devs bother to read the EU forums to find out what we think. However, the fervour that this thread has generated is out of proportion with the idea. Some people like the idea, some people don't. Their opinions and views have been expressed - that much is fine, and I don't think anyone could take an issue with that.
My issue starts when the thread started to turn into the people wanting it accusing the people who don't of some hidden agenda, or that they're just plain WRONG. This has happened on both sides, with misunderstandings happening all over the place....such as FFM not remembering that I totally kicked his [censored] in the Arena with an AR/Fire blaster, and I'd do it again in an instant. 
Since this is, more than likely, the last day of this thread before some crazy red-name goes and locks it, let me just point out a few final things before I have to scoot along to work:
<ul type="square">[*]Just because someone doesn't like your idea, or opinion, it doesn't mean they don't like you, or what you stand for.[*]This is not the WoW forums. This is actually a nice place, where people generally care about what others have to say. For whatever reason, very little of that has happened in this thread.[*]Does the idea make good RP sense? Certainly. So does the idea of player apartments, and we never got those. Does it make practical sense? We don't know, and we won't until/unless a Dev steps up and tells us. It's pointless guessing, whether we have a background in programming or not, simply because none of us coded the game, so we can't say with absolute certainty how viable this is.[*]If I were to make a Suggestions thread asking for the ability to make characters left handed, as opposed to right handed, some people would say yes, some people would say no, and the main complaint against it would be "too much effort for too little gain/coding issues" - and nobody would bat an eyelid at it. However, the amount of attention to go into that thread would be nowhere near the attention that this thread has managed to generate. But, why? Because it's not a hot topic, like this one is. But precisely it's because this is a hot topic, that's why people can't jump all over it, and the other people posting in it, regardless of whether they're for or against it. A red name would take one look at this thread, offer up a prayer to Saint Bridger the Lockable, and the posts and suggestion would get thrown into purgatory - leaving a bad taste in the mouth who were for it for purely gameplay reasons. The people for the idea who were...shall we say, over-zealous, may have hurt the chances of this ever happening. It's sad to say that they probably won't realise it, either.[/list]
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I have read your replies, I happen to think you're wrong. Speaking as someone who not only knows several hundred people who suffer (or not) from issues that an result in a 'sex change', and who looks at one of those in the mirror when I can't avoid it. I really dislike the idea that, this shouldn't be in the game because it is a subject that is unfit for the consumption of minors, which is what you and others seem to be saying.
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Then obviously you haven't read my posts at all. You read my first post, which was defending someone who was attacked for stating it was a mature subject and my post in response to Col. Bliztkreiger's kindly telling me what my own thoughts and beliefs were.
My reasoning for not thinking (please, for crying out loud someone at least notice I have never said I'm against the idea) it will ever be implemented is that I, personally do not believe it makes enough sense to become a new feature.
That is all.
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Do you have an ulterior motive? Yes of course you do or you wouldn't bother posting in this thread, I'd guess your motive is that you would rather time be spent on other issues.
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ul·te·ri·or
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1. Lying beyond what is evident, revealed, or avowed, especially being concealed intentionally so as to deceive: an ulterior motive.
So, no, I do not. I don't think this implementation is worth the time and effort. I am not against it. I wouldn't use it on any of my characters, the same way I'll never use half the costume pieces. I'm currently drinking a cup of tea, having a cigarette, pondering eating a Mars delight, waiting for my mobile to charge; my hair's an utter mess, I've thrown on the shabbiest outfit ever, there's a large smudge on my glasses I think may be a paw print - I love cats, horses, my boyfriend, cake, bad jokes, reading, these forums, CoH/V and psychological thrillers.
There. Nothing hidden. No ulterior motive.
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But it doesn't need discussing here, this is a game where each of us can be who we want to be providing we don't breach the copyright of other IPs and refrain from being coarse. Being able to change the body type is no different from being able to shoot laser beams from our eyes or leap from tall buildings without dying.
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Agree on body type changes or not, I don't really care, but the rest is no more fitting for this forum than whether or not the stun effect makes you look like a spastic. That is my main bone of contention, and I'm not going to post any more about it here.
And apologies about the ulterior comment, perhaps I should have engaged brain before commenting on it. 
Or you know slept first...
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Only cause you kept hiding inside your PFF, ya coward! 
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1. Lying beyond what is evident, revealed, or avowed, especially being concealed intentionally so as to deceive: an ulterior motive.
So, no, I do not. I don't think this implementation is worth the time and effort. I am not against it. I wouldn't use it on any of my characters, the same way I'll never use half the costume pieces. I'm currently drinking a cup of tea, having a cigarette, pondering eating a Mars delight, waiting for my mobile to charge; my hair's an utter mess, I've thrown on the shabbiest outfit ever, there's a large smudge on my glasses I think may be a paw print - I love cats, horses, my boyfriend, cake, bad jokes, reading, these forums, CoH/V and psychological thrillers.
There. Nothing hidden. No ulterior motive.
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Surrrrrreeeee.
We're on to you and all the other Skrull imposter's!
*currently catching up on the latest Marvel hoo dinky*
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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And apologies about the ulterior comment, perhaps I should have engaged brain before commenting on it. Or you know slept first...
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And I apologise for anything offensive I may've said. I assure you, and everyone else, it was not intentional.
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Already has been in Runaways. And not in the same way as Superman turning into a woman because some writer couldn't come up with a decent story.
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I don't know, I haven't been told what I think yet.