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I'm against this, it'd make the game too bizarre.
If you want a female toon, roll a female toon.
If you want a male toon, roll a male toon.
If you want a huge toon, roll a huge toon.
I suppose Male -> Huge would'nt be so bad, but City of Transvestites would just be odd. I'm not against the concept in real life, but CoX, after all, is not real life.
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Well done you have spotted the flaw in this request this is a game not real life
Oh but wait its a game based on the superhero ger and some of those superheroes can change sex at will others in certin surcumstances the point is this has nothing to do with being a transexual (in the real world meaning) and everything to do with charichter X having the ability for whatever reason to shift from one shape (female) to another (male) to maybe even another shape (huge)
Within the game there are a 101 reasons why the charichter can change form/shape/sex and they need not have anything to do with with the chharichter being transexual a few examples
the charichter is a parasitic life form that needs host to function however hosts burn out quickly so it moves from one to the other useing them up as it go's along
the charichter is a alien and in its natural state is asexual however to fit in with humans it adopts a ether a male or female persona and can even change be tween them
This is a QoL suggestion that would most likely involve a lot more coding than anyone seems to think. People have every right to be against it - for any reason.
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This is a QoL suggestion that would most likely involve a lot more coding than anyone seems to think. People have every right to be against it - for any reason.
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And as the devs have been making a large number of QoL changes lately, some which have needed way more development that this is likely to need, why not suggest more? What possible objection could there be to MORE choice?
You're not a programmer Stase, but I am. Based on my experience, I can assure you that text strings for things like badges are NOT stored in your characters badge table; only ID numbers will be. Another ID number would be used for minor things like reference to the character sex. Change the ID number, ALL the text you see automatically changes with it.
This would NOT be a large change when compared with some of the recent QoL changes, as it's purely a cosmetic change. The only thing they'd need to do after selecting the new body type, is remove any gender specific costume items and set them back to defaults.
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This is a QoL suggestion that would most likely involve a lot more coding than anyone seems to think. People have every right to be against it - for any reason.
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And as the devs have been making a large number of QoL changes lately, some which have needed way more development that this is likely to need, why not suggest more? What possible objection could there be to MORE choice?
You're not a programmer Stase, but I am. Based on my experience, I can assure you that text strings for things like badges are NOT stored in your characters badge table; only ID numbers will be. Another ID number would be used for minor things like reference to the character sex. Change the ID number, ALL the text you see automatically changes with it.
This would NOT be a large change when compared with some of the recent QoL changes, as it's purely a cosmetic change. The only thing they'd need to do after selecting the new body type, is remove any gender specific costume items and set them back to defaults.
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I disagree. Sure it is doable and considering the other QoL issues they have done it is a minor issue. However I think you are mistaken with how easy this would be to implement. As the character can have 1 body type per costume slot you need to save that information with the costumes. Now depending on how they implemented that information and the retrieval of the info in the first place, this can mean a lot of work.
Body type, along with all dimensions and costume information, is already stored in the characters slot information. Try looking at a demofile sometime.
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Body type, along with all dimensions and costume information, is already stored in the characters slot information. Try looking at a demofile sometime.
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As I said it depends on how things are stored and you retrieve the information. If what you say is true, and I assume you are, then it shouldn't indeed be a big problem.
it's the body type linking, changing sex is as easy as rolling a new character.
you select the body type along with the costumes, and you have no problem in term of coding, except for the fact that they need to allow it.
the badge and contacts thing could even be a non issue it could work that your original "sex" is your refered to sex so even if you were useing a female costume if you had for your first costume slot picked a male body type NPC and Badges would still refer to you as male
Think of it like Mystique weather she wares a female form or a male form she's allways refered to as a "she"
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I'm against this, it'd make the game too bizarre.
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You're playing a game where people can fly, teleport, fire energy beams from their hands, turn invisible, and perform moves like Head Splitter without actually killing the target.
And you think changing sex is too bizarre?
There's a HUGE number of quite valid reasons for being able to do this, most of which have been mentioned already. It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not?
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You're telling me, if Superman, or Spiderman got his bits swapped, and started sporting a pair of breasts, you WOULD'NT find that odd? Or bizarre?
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You're not a programmer Stase, but I am. Based on my experience, I can assure you that text strings for things like badges are NOT stored in your characters badge table; only ID numbers will be.
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Me too, wideload.
I see your point, but are you not you forgetting the extensive testing a change to such fundamental character data would require? For one thing it could play merry hell with the costume editor - you'd need to check all the gender specific costume items. I think you might get away with text content because I don't think reference is made to gender.
It's certainly not a reason to not do this, but it's disingenuous to suggest it would be a trivial change.
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You're telling me, if Superman, or Spiderman got his bits swapped, and started sporting a pair of breasts, you WOULD'NT find that odd? Or bizarre?
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Given these same people benchpress cars on a regular basis, no.
Of course, they could just leave the body types the same and give us gender-typed costume parts. You know, so I could make my homage to The Russian.
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
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I'm against this, it'd make the game too bizarre.
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You're playing a game where people can fly, teleport, fire energy beams from their hands, turn invisible, and perform moves like Head Splitter without actually killing the target.
And you think changing sex is too bizarre?
There's a HUGE number of quite valid reasons for being able to do this, most of which have been mentioned already. It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not?
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You're telling me, if Superman, or Spiderman got his bits swapped, and started sporting a pair of breasts, you WOULD'NT find that odd? Or bizarre?
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Well yes it would be a tad bizzar but then its no more bizzae than them chucking cars about and wall crawling
Apart from the fact throwing cars and wall crawling are normal for superheroes.
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I'm against this, it'd make the game too bizarre.
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You're playing a game where people can fly, teleport, fire energy beams from their hands, turn invisible, and perform moves like Head Splitter without actually killing the target.
And you think changing sex is too bizarre?
There's a HUGE number of quite valid reasons for being able to do this, most of which have been mentioned already. It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not?
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You're telling me, if Superman, or Spiderman got his bits swapped, and started sporting a pair of breasts, you WOULD'NT find that odd? Or bizarre?
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Well yes it would be a tad bizzar but then its no more bizzae than them chucking cars about and wall crawling
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Not really, that's part of the comic world, it's like mixing a western and a space film. Transgender ideas belong in a more indie kind of culture. Certain things are ordinary in certain cultures, but when you mix them, the results are odd. Like a monkey living underwater; people would be baffled!
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Apart from the fact throwing cars and wall crawling are normal for superheroes.
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So is shapechanging, shockingly enough.
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Apart from the fact throwing cars and wall crawling are normal for superheroes.
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You said it better than me chère.
Shape changing =/= gender swapping.
Kheldians can shift between forms, but the forms are useful and serve a purpose. They're also limited to the epic Hero Archetypes. Changing a character's gender as a costume option would be AT wide, villains and heroes and really not serve any real gameplay purpose.
It's QoL, and some don't want it.
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Shape changing =/= gender swapping.
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As far as comics go, there's no difference.
The feeble "IT'S NOT NORMAL ((((((" argument holds no merit. Lots of things aren't normal, and gender swapping has gotten a lot of mileage in the comics (Mystique and countless What Ifs immediatly spring to mind).
If you don't want the idea, fine, just use better reasoning than "IT'S NOT NORMAL ((((".
Oh, and costumes in and out of themselves don't serve a purpose. No more customisation options plx.
See, this is just getting ridiculous.
No one has to explain why they don't like the idea, and "it's not normal (for the superhero genre)" is a perfectly valid no matter how flawed argument. Mystique is a shapeshifter in the sense she can adopt the look of anyone else - this is useful. If she just changed sex it would be arguably less useful (unless she wanted a double life).
Nothing QoL serves any great purpose, which is why people are more likely to be against them.
No, the main reason people are against it is "IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ((((", which is complete and utter [censored] in the context of a super hero game.
Shields don't make sense in comics, yet we're getting them. Where the hell were you guys when they were announced?
And shields are useful.
I say again. This would be a QoL change. It would benefit a tiiiiiiny amount of people, and be a "[censored]? why?" change for everyone else. Nobody has to give a reason why they're against it, but "it doesn't make sense" is perfectly valid.
"It doesn't make sense" is often trotted out as a reason against something.
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Shape changing =/= gender swapping.
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As far as comics go, there's no difference.
The feeble "IT'S NOT NORMAL ((((((" argument holds no merit. Lots of things aren't normal, and gender swapping has gotten a lot of mileage in the comics (Mystique and countless What Ifs immediatly spring to mind).
If you don't want the idea, fine, just use better reasoning than "IT'S NOT NORMAL ((((".
Oh, and costumes in and out of themselves don't serve a purpose. No more customisation options plx.
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You're right, lots of things aren't normal in the comic world. But that's not our argument, we're saying that a transgender system would be COMPLETELY out of place and unorthodox in such an environment. Mystique shape changes, I personally, forgive me if I'm wrong; can't recall a hero who has went into a surgery and had a sex change.
Having read through this thread, both at home and at work (thanks, iPhone!) firstly, I want to thank people for all the great reading material, which got me through one helluva day.
Gender swapping. Okay, I can see why people might want to do that, given that people Roleplay, and shape-shifters, etc, etc. However, given that I can turn my Elec/Dev blaster from a funky robot with glowing eyes and a fedora into a Samurai warrior with two keyboard presses, one could argue that 'shape shifting' is already a part of the game.
Let me pose a question quickly: if you could change genders on a character at whim, would you change back? Would you change once or twice, and then leave it? After all, it's a mere cosmetic difference to the character you're playing, but one that could (I say could because I'm not a programmer, I don't pretend to be in any way, shape or form, and it's entirely beyond me how CoH is coded) be troublesome to implement. If I could give FG a great rack and a terrific backside, would I? Well, no, personally I wouldn't, but I've invested a lot of time and energy into him. If I had a fresh character, would I do it? Probably not, as I play the game to play the game, and spend time with friends, and not for any RP element. I'm not being closed minded, and I'll honestly laugh my head off at anyone who accuses me of otherwise, but it's just not for me. That doesn't detract from how it might be for some people, but my personal opinion is that it'd be (probably) a lot of effort for potentially little gain.
I can understand why people would want to, but, at the same time, I can understand why the Devs might not be able to/willing to implement this.
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You're playing a game where people can fly, teleport, fire energy beams from their hands, turn invisible, and perform moves like Head Splitter without actually killing the target.
And you think changing sex is too bizarre?
There's a HUGE number of quite valid reasons for being able to do this, most of which have been mentioned already. It doesn't hurt anyone, so why not?
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