I can see your body parts. Tee-hee.
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Anann,
Posted on: 2006-12-15 14:00 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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In fact, we're the only species on the planet that works this way. Mammals, birds, reptiles, fish - all of the males are naturally more attractive (due to the abundance of females and their need to attract a mate). Humans work backwards.
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Not true, take a look at some insects and arachnids.
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Can we compare ourselves to creatures that have only got four limbs please, because anything more than that is just creepy.
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Your avatar has a tail. 
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Touche
Of course, he doesn't have insect style armour (carapace?)or arachnid style eyes or anything else that creepy
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
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I doubt very much there's a single female on this planet who couldn't be made to look gorgeous.
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But that shouldn't be our defining trait, or what we're judged on
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Shouldn't be? What happens if a female (or male, for that matter) chooses that to be their defining trait - are you wanting to remove their ability to choose?
Regardless of what we may think of someone who simply wants to look beautiful, to the exclusion of all else, surely it would be worse if we remove the freedom of choice from them?
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Sure people can choose to do that, but it shouldn't be assumed that everyone wants to be judged that way too.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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I doubt very much there's a single female on this planet who couldn't be made to look gorgeous.
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But that shouldn't be our defining trait, or what we're judged on
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Shouldn't be? What happens if a female (or male, for that matter) chooses that to be their defining trait - are you wanting to remove their ability to choose?
Regardless of what we may think of someone who simply wants to look beautiful, to the exclusion of all else, surely it would be worse if we remove the freedom of choice from them?
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Sure people can choose to do that, but it shouldn't be assumed that everyone wants to be judged that way too.
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Thoroughly agree - variety is a wonderful way to go through life. IDIC and all that.
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
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Because there's more to everyone than they're looks.
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For a lot of people, that's very true - but looks play a big part in everyday life - and not just that part which helps to attract a mate.
Miss smartly dressed and beautiful is more likely to get a job in the public sector than Miss scruffy and unattractive. Likewise, Miss beautiful is less likely to be accused of wrong doing than Miss unattractive. The same way people with glasses are seen to be intellectuals, and people with massive amounts of piercings and tattoos are seen to be deviants*.
Perhaps the world would be a nicer place if people weren't judged on their looks alone, but a lot of the time, looks play a big part in how your life turns out - artificial or natural.
*Generalisations, all.
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Regardless of what we may think of someone who simply wants to look beautiful, to the exclusion of all else, surely it would be worse if we remove the freedom of choice from them?
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If someone was to do this, then there is something fundamentally wrong with it. Apologies here if you're shocked by that non-PC "we must tolerate all viewpoints" stance, but it's a fact and fairly well documented.
I could easily mention eating disorders, teenage girls and the advertising-fuelled beauty products industry here, but what it amounts to is that such a person would be leading a very shallow life and have little self esteem.
Frankly they'd need some serious counselling.
That's not to say that it's wrong to try to improve your appearance (darn Political Correctness creeping in again) but basing your whole life on how you look is not healthy. Ask any counsellor or psychiatrist.
Professional models would be an exception to this, but even then many models will strive to show that they're not quite as shallow as they're portrayed by the camera.
Looks fade, a person doesn't.
And I'm aware I'm agreeing with GG here... 
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The same way people with glasses are seen to be intellectuals, and people with massive amounts of piercings and tattoos are seen to be deviants.
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Just as a comment here (and this might be because I'm me (something I can't really help but generalise over), but on Friday I hired a non-glasses wearing, pierced tattooed Business Analyst over several smartly dressed, glasses wearing other applicants, simply because he seemed to be more prepared for the realities of this job and had more capabilities than all the "brightly shining" qualified (but not experienced) applicants.
Not all of us judge a book by it's cover - but then again, sometimes we prefer the cover of the Necronomicon to that of Mills & Boons.
(None of the above is directed at anyone, so I'll put my paranoia away, if you all leave your high horses in the cupboard - except for Stasis, who can have a pony (that was a friendly comment too))
(Reading certain threads this weekend has left me paranoid and I don't know why).
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
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If someone was to do this, then there is something fundamentally wrong with it. Apologies here if you're shocked by that non-PC "we must tolerate all viewpoints" stance, but it's a fact and fairly well documented.
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True.
Sometimes people need help, but to be honest, if they're not capable of recognising that need themselves and getting it, then they'll be dealt with through a process called "Natural Selection".
Now the human race can avoid natural selection (hi, I'm diabetic and my appendix ruptured earlier in the year, that's twice so far nature has tried to kill me and I've happily avoided it. I've repaid nature by not propagating my genes.)
But I had to make the choice to do this (and at times during my teenage years, I did the stupid thing and ignored the consequences of too much chocolate). But I did make the choice to live.
If someone continues to voluntarily choose to ignore advice, signs and consequences, then I have no time nor place for them.
But I always have an open mind at the start of it.
That's how PC I get.
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
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Miss smartly dressed and beautiful is more likely to get a job in the public sector than Miss scruffy and unattractive. Likewise, Miss beautiful is less likely to be accused of wrong doing than Miss unattractive.
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It works the other way too - people get called a [censored] or an airhead even before they've opened their mouth, just because of what they look like.
EDIT: What the hell? It censored the word b-i-m-b-o?
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Miss smartly dressed and beautiful is more likely to get a job in the public sector than Miss scruffy and unattractive. Likewise, Miss beautiful is less likely to be accused of wrong doing than Miss unattractive.
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It works the other way too - people get called a [censored] or an airhead even before they've opened their mouth, just because of what they look like.
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It's called human nature, GG. Whilst we all may try as hard as we can to not prejudge anyone based on their appearance; it's human nature to do so.
Being one of those who gets prejudged based on appearance, it's something I see all the time.
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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In fact, we're the only species on the planet that works this way. Mammals, birds, reptiles, fish - all of the males are naturally more attractive (due to the abundance of females and their need to attract a mate). Humans work backwards.
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Not true, take a look at some insects and arachnids.
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Can we compare ourselves to creatures that have only got four limbs please, because anything more than that is just creepy.
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Your avatar has a tail.
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Touche
Of course, he doesn't have insect style armour (carapace?)or arachnid style eyes or anything else that creepy
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Carapace and other exoskeletons allow insects to have a much higher strength then anything of the same size that doesnt.
Certain spiders, jumping ones are the types im thinking of, actually move their eyes, not manipulate the iris and lens to focus, this incombination allows remarkable jumping and precision.
I love insects 
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Now the human race can avoid natural selection (hi, I'm diabetic and my appendix ruptured earlier in the year, that's twice so far nature has tried to kill me and I've happily avoided it. I've repaid nature by not propagating my genes.)
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There's actually three very good reasons for Weasel wearing what he does.
1) He's a human faerie. Faeries wear practically nothing. No point.
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Callista is a human sized faerie, she is normally covered completely barring her head. And on the 2nd main costume head and hands. She has practical reasons for that, running around the sewers in skimpy undies or trainers isn't a good idea. Also she wears dark colours as she feels she is better able to hide in the shadows that way.
Some costumes have more skin on show, the christmas costume displays her middle, but is in no way skimpy or revealing. It's part of the way she is, she isn't interested in looking for a mate, she has never met a male faerie so she doesn't understand it at all.
However if someone wants to make skimpy costumes for their character, as long as they have a good reason for doing so then it's up to them. As someone else commented if they have a good bio then I'm all for it.
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she isn't interested in looking for a mate
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That doesn't always mean you don't wear something racey
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Miss smartly dressed and beautiful is more likely to get a job in the public sector than Miss scruffy and unattractive. Likewise, Miss beautiful is less likely to be accused of wrong doing than Miss unattractive. The same way people with glasses are seen to be intellectuals, and people with massive amounts of piercings and tattoos are seen to be deviants*.
Perhaps the world would be a nicer place if people weren't judged on their looks alone, but a lot of the time, looks play a big part in how your life turns out - artificial or natural.
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There is truth to this (and please accept that I generalise too - as Mr Myopic Aardvark says, not everyone is the same).
I work in a very large law firm (in the top 10 in the world, I might add) and a lot of the women around our office are very attractive. I also note that out of all the many partners at our firm (and there are a lot more than you'd think), only two are women.
Now, knowing some of these women that come to work here as part of their training contracts etc, they are very good at what they do, however, the cynical part of me notes that there aren't any ugly trainees.
Now, if you go to IT or Facilities, that's a different story.
But the picture that paints is not a very nice one, is it?
Anyway, back to the topic at hand;
Seductress, like many of us here, has five costume slots and I think there is something for everyone there. There's her platform shoes and hotpants look, her thigh-high boots and lingerie-witch look, her uniform cozzie, her angelic winged cozzie (which I'm gonna change because its just so over-done ) and her Emma Frost-inspired costume (based on her cozzie in Astonishing X-Men).
Out of those, there is only the lingerie-witch costume that I would say that is overtly going out of its way to be sexy. The others, I've seen far worse in nightclubs
As to sexiness in toons: if I see a good looking toon (either attractive or just cool), I give a compliment and move on.
One of the best costumes I've seen in a long time is with Serefia's new one, Cyber Widow. That toon looks well wikid (sic). Seriously cool
Personally I dont think that naked characters that are naked just for the sake of nakedness even look very good. Only time I have made a female character that had to use nakedness, was when I made a were-tigress and I wanted to use the tiger stripes. Unfortunately the costume builder didnt allow the use of the stripes in combination of any upper body clothes apart from basic spandex bodycondom, so she had to go around topless (I wanted the stripes to be on her skin and not clothes). Thankfully I8 fixed the problem and Tigreena now has nice shirt in addition to the stripes. She still cant use all the costume options (gloves, shoes) with the stripes.
Ps. to look sexy, what you don't show is more important than what you show. Leaves things to imagination, you see.
Um.. I used to use the tiger stripes with a skirt over a year ago...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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Um.. I used to use the tiger stripes with a skirt over a year ago...
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Skirt yes, but did you have a SHIRT? (I was talking about upper body and arms)
I have to admit, I'm still a tad unhappy that certain patterns aren't available on all body parts, especially on boots and gloves.
You get a brilliant design running on the top half and sometimes you can't get it on the lower half at all. And if you do, you can never find it on the boots or the gloves.
I'd put this as a major fix to the whole costume thing - ensure that all patterns are available over the whole body.
"Idealism is such a wonderful thing. All you really need is someone rational to put it to proper use." - Kerr Avon
Myopic Aardvark on Twitter
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Um.. I used to use the tiger stripes with a skirt over a year ago...
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Skirt yes, but did you have a SHIRT? (I was talking about upper body and arms)
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Bah! I need some new glasses...
I think I did though... I'll dig out some old screenies later. I know for a fact I've been using the tiger stripes with the Metallic armour for nearly a year... It's my main's main costume!
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
THere are fringe benefits to being evil
All my characters are naked...under their clothes.
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I think I did though... I'll dig out some old screenies later. I know for a fact I've been using the tiger stripes with the Metallic armour for nearly a year... It's my main's main costume!
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I guess youre still missing my point. I wanted to have stripes on her SKIN and not on costume itself. To accomplish this I have the spandex of suitable color underneath the shirt (currently) and put the stripes on the spandex. This wasnt possible until I8 and the new shirts.
To make you better understand, heres a pic of her current 1st costume.
And another pic.
To have the stripes UNDERNEATH the costume wasnt really possible until now (at least on upper body). And still, you see her having the sneakers with socks up to her knees. It is still not possible to have a combination of, say, slip-ons and stripes, because there are no stripes available for lower part of legs. Have to use boots that cover her legs up to the knees.
ps. Also note, because she has real cat ears, I have to use correct type of hair that covers the 'human' ears that otherwise still appear even if you use cat ears.
Ah, yes.. I get you now.. Blame only 2 hours sleep last night and being at work since 6am.. 
Yes, it's VERY frustrating that not all patterns are available for every section...
@FloatingFatMan
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
There's actually a dominant survival trait in action for people who are 'pretty' (This doesn't mean attractiveness; small areas of 'oddness' actually work in people's favour by triggering the memory).
Trust is built up by how comfortable people feel around each other; a situation that's helped by the other person being attractive towards you. Whilst collosal chest/s (male/female) do draw the eyes, it's primarily used as a symbol of superiority rather than a measure of attractiveness.
As FFM/Max said, actual body measurements of that sort would cause crippling pain; but they are meant to be the Ubermensch.
This is hardly a new idea though, Robert Louis Stevenson wrote quite a famous novel called Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde; but the main focus is that there were NO physical changes mentioned between the personalities. It was just the demeanour and stance.
Even Oprah Winfrey etc. have latched onto this, put a man in a suit/uniform and his attractiveness doubles.
It does work in reverse though. If you're too 'comfortable' to be with, then false accusations about your lack of brains/lack of morals/gender identity will get slung about.
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Even Oprah Winfrey etc. have latched onto this, put a man in a suit/uniform and his attractiveness doubles.
It does work in reverse though. If you're too 'comfortable' to be with, then false accusations about your lack of brains/lack of morals/gender identity will get slung about.
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Or nobody will ever take you seriously. *grumbles*
but back to the point
Most of my characters costumes have been driven by necessity, and certain quirks of their powers. Example, Sara can wear more or less what she likes, as it's virtually guaranteed that her skin is a lot more damage resistant than her clothing ever could be, so, aside from what I would call her civilian outfits, most of her stuff is either easy to clean, easy to repair, or magical, with ease of movement being a high priority.
I think Weasels main point stands, though. Philosphically, superheroes are, on some level, the embodiment of archetypes and ideals as much as they are real characters. The main difference is where they strike that balance betweenthe real person and the ideal.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
The old Mythical heroes of Ancient Greece, Man or woman, weren't afraid to bare all.
Today, heroes are much more conservitive.
Because there's more to everyone than they're looks.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork