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No.

Never.

Not gonna happen.

I'll lose respect for all Scrappers if they do.

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The fact is though before they screwed the game up by adding Archetypes in the first place that ranged "scrapper" was the most popular type (even in bad combinations). The only reason they took it out was balance. Certain blaster pools were just ludicrous with the armory secondaries.

For them to still be deathly afraid of a ranged scrapper is irrational. They can do it and have it balanced. I'd rather them not do it with the scrapper archetype but expecting them to have the funds to make a new archetype at this point is a pipe dream.

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*coughs* Veats *coughs* khelds *coughs*

I really want cheese melee/cheese armor and fish melee/fish armor

Pistols just don't make sense as a full melee powerset for scrappers. It'd be like making katana a primary for blasters, and having 1 or 2 melee attacks and the rest of them based around throwing the sword. It just doesn't make sense.

Now, as an *epic*, it would work fine. Going off the precedents set by the existing scrapper ancillaries, it might go something like this?

Pistol Mastery
Level 41: Cryo round: 1.1 accuracy, scale 8 hold, minor slow, 32s recharge, 9.75 end. (identical stats to petrifying gaze)
Level 41: Acid round: 1.1 accuracy, scale 0.2 damage spread over 20s DoT, 13% res debuff, 14% def debuff (20s), 30s recharge, 12.19 end.
Level 44: Dual Wield. 1.1 accuracy, scale 1 damage, 25% chance for low mag KB, 6s recharge, 6.5 end.
Level 47: Empty Clips. 1.1 accuracy, scale 0.79 damage, 25% chance for low mag KB, 16s recharge, 18.98 end, 40 foot 30 deg cone.

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*coughs* Veats *coughs* khelds *coughs*

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Are you saying Veats and Khelds are somehow like what ranged "scrappers" should be? I really can't agree with that.

You can say you don't like the idea but certainly Veats and Khelds do not fit the bill.

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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NNNNOOO!!!!!!!!!

What part of the equation "pistols = kill you from far away" dont you people understand?

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This is a game where a sniper rifle has a range of 150 ft. We'll be lucky if pistols can shoot as far as 10.

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LOL! Yup, 10 foot range! That's melee!

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*coughs* Veats *coughs* khelds *coughs*

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Are you saying Veats and Khelds are somehow like what ranged "scrappers" should be? I really can't agree with that.

You can say you don't like the idea but certainly Veats and Khelds do not fit the bill.

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I'm saying veats and khelds, more so veats and human form PBs, have a mix of melee/range with def. I'm not saying that they are what ranged scrappers should be. I am saying that that's the about as close as it's going to get to that concept. And anyway, have you played them? With the exception of mez protection, a PB has three heals (one in dwarf form). One of them is a Dull pain that can perma with recharge. And a tier 9 that puts them at res cap to all but psi (80 or 85%). Sound familuar? A bane and a widow can soft cap their def and do serious dps. Sound familuar? So my statemeant isn't that off the wall.

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*coughs* Veats *coughs* khelds *coughs*

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Are you saying Veats and Khelds are somehow like what ranged "scrappers" should be? I really can't agree with that.

You can say you don't like the idea but certainly Veats and Khelds do not fit the bill.

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Have you played a Crab Spider?
Look, up in the sky, it's a blaster, it's tank, its a controller, no, its Crab-Spider Man!

Nobody really knows what the new Martial Arts animations are. How sweet would it be if those turned out to be spinning flipping gun attacks.


edit: You know.. the more I think about that.. the better it gets. This ability to customize select your animation would open up the door for a lot of things we've been asking for without having to build an entire new power set... bow-staffs... vehicles for travel powers... could be some good stuff coming in the next few years.

Er, I don't think so. For one thing, if they were, you'd have gun attacks doing smashing damage, which the devs have said in the past they don't like to do (in regards to why there are no 'fire sword' options for the sword sets - they don't like to have attacks which do the 'wrong' damage type). Also, I'm pretty sure BaBs mentioned that the alternate animations were punches.

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I'm saying veats and khelds, more so veats and human form PBs, have a mix of melee/range with def.

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Oh I agree with you on that. I haven't followed VEATs yet much though I admit. I can't really get into the whole villain thing unfortunately.

Really though I can't see PB's as ranged scrappers. I mean stuff like Cosmic Balance is so anti-scrapper I don't even know what to think of it.

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I really want cheese melee/cheese armor and fish melee/fish armor

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Awards "Best comment in the thread" trophy.

Gunblades? >.>
*runs and hides*

I watched Wanted. I never liked tattoos that much before, but I must say that movie made me a fan. Also, there were pistols in it. Did you know you can bend the path of a bullet just by whipping the pistol it's fired from from side to side? Well, that and having a Magic Origin, of course. The Magic Origin helps. And tattoos. Beautiful, wonderful tattoos.

WARNING: I bold names.

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People who want pistols for scrappers mostly just want status protection and durability because they want to win, not because it makes any kind of sense.

Now if we fixed tiny bayonets onto each pistol....

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Or maybe those of us who picked the game up, not knowing how exactly the game worked, had envisioned a Dual Pistol-Martial Artists/Super Reflexes type hero only to find they didn't have dual pistols as an option.

That was of course me when I picked up the game in i3.

And I personally find my Crab (lvl 36) to be very much a Blaster with Scrapper Secondary.

My Night Widow is more like a Claw Scrapper (melee with a couple ranged attacks)

Deal with it. You're never going to get Dual Pistols.

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I really want cheese melee/cheese armor and fish melee/fish armor

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This would be awesome. But if we got this, I would have to reroll my DM/SD scrapper "Shadow Cheese".

She got her attack powers from a possessed lump of cheddar. Her shield is a crystal serving tray.

I should start playing her again; the world is too serious.

Pistol+Katana sounds like..... that... that.... erm.... hmmm... the guy =x I forgot the name =/

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Deal with it. You're never going to get Dual Pistols.

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Maybe not on Scrappers. But I do hope for maybe an Assault/Defense AT at some point.

I see no reason not to include a Pistol Power Pool for Scrappers. Seriously Devs, it would take so very little effort and go a long way towards making everyone here happy.

For example.
You'd have the single shot
The control shot (kneecapping, etc, whatever the blast set gets)
A Renamed Targeting Drone/Focused Accuracy
An AoE Shot

And that would be all we'd need. Scrappers could be Martial Arts/WP/Pistol and so many concepts could be fulfilled.

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It'd be like making katana a primary for blasters, and having 1 or 2 melee attacks and the rest of them based around throwing the sword. It just doesn't make sense.

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It makes perfect sense to me, but then I'm a fan of wuxia. I could also go for flying paper talisman attacks.

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Deal with it. You're never going to get Dual Pistols.

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Maybe not on Scrappers. But I do hope for maybe an Assault/Defense AT at some point.

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Soldiers Of Arachnos.

I see its the beginning of the month again...Dual Pistol set request...check, Bo Staff set request...check, I guess the streetfighting set request would normally follow but since MA changes are in order I think that kind of silenced that one.

I have to say that when I picked up the game, I was thinking about making a character with pistols and a more defensive secondary. Now I hate the idea of having pistols as a scrapper primary, and am comforted by the fact that it will never happen.