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Your new avatar fits well with this thread, BrokenPrey. Well, at least it's how I feel.
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lol that is why I pick it, I've been feeling this way about a lot of threads, and this one is just so great for it.
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whatever bud, I play the AT EVERY day so I know what it does and doesnt do. you obviously dont know jack aobut /shield due to your remarks about fire/invul.
Im not looking for a one trick pony at all. Im just wanting the power set to be balanced like every other power set. Not weaker, not stronger.
Take your cry moar 'd00d sp3ak" and shove them where the sun dont shine. Im sure others would agree with me on the /shield set still needs work. Just because your retarded [censored] thinks they are fine doesnt mean it is.
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I am very critical of powersets and I think shield is very well balanced and very playable for a scrapper and tank.
Post a build.
(You are the only scrapper who has ever posted who does not like aggro.)
YMMV---IMO
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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
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Played brute tank and scrapper versions with a variety of damage sets.
Shield is fine. If anything its above the mid point for scrapper sets
Toss IOs into the equation and it moves up higher.
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I view SD as more OP than weak.
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With Shield Defense I have no inclination to make Super Reflexes characters.
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Why? Because it grants more HP and static dam-res? Because it gives a dam-res buff?
pfft. It makes you have a shield. How very droll.
/likes SD
//likes SR
///even likes regen on non-weapon sets
////won't discuss PvP. It's still ridiculously broken. But I like that as well.
Be well, people of CoH.
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This is like a trainwreck. I can't look away. I can't bring myself to post something constructive and helpful, either.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
There there, Werner. *pat*
They talk in such a way as to incite such responses from decent-minded people who can't comprehend why they are behaving the way they are.
It happens to the best of us.
all i gotta say about all this... lol
Man you guys are harsh lol.
To the OP I would suggest asking for help instead of complaining about shields. If you have access to Mid's Hero Designer I would post up your build and I'll be happy to help you out. Also what are your tactics while playing? Tactics are a large factor when playing.
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
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I view SD as more OP than weak.
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With Shield Defense I have no inclination to make Super Reflexes characters.
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Why? Because it grants more HP and static dam-res? Because it gives a dam-res buff?
pfft. It makes you have a shield. How very droll.
/likes SD
//likes SR
///even likes regen on non-weapon sets
////won't discuss PvP. It's still ridiculously broken. But I like that as well.
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Without even a hint of mockery:
Yes, that's why. And Shield Charge. Don't forget that biggie.
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Samuel_Tow: Your avatar is... I think I like it
First off, I didnt disrepect anyone till I was disrepected first whether it was here or on PVP forums. The statements I made were and are based on my personal opinion of the AT. How does my personal opinion of the AT automatically give you the right to say harsh or crude comments? Of course Im going to snap your head off if you disrespect me, you sayin you would sit there and take it with out saying a word? yeah right....
Instead of the rude or l33t sp34k comments how about posting your so called valuable information if you think Im doing it so wrong, for all I know you lucked up and designed a good enhancment set up? Its just stupid to keep tryin to antagonize me, with out the proof you keep saying Im false about. Sure if I pop enough of the right kind of insperations at the right times I could take down a AV, but Im trying to build my set up to where I dont have to use Insperations.
I never said shield was weak. I said it need some adjusting compared to the other AT's. Its a VERY strong AT in certain areas. Great AoE output along with a - foe dmg buff, but in area's where it counts most, its lacking. Scrappers deal mellee dmg. period. I feel the power taunts a little to much. When you start pouring on the dmg + this power activated it can be rough. They are not designed to take damage like tanks but can when the pressure's on, thus u pop the uber power in your 2ndary. One with shield doesnt do that. There is no power like this for Shield set. Guess OwtS only good against sappers? I slotted it out before with Resists IO Sets. It had VERY diminishing returns. Again I slotted it out with Healing IO Sets. Again, risk vs reward to use the power was again diminishing.
I havent tried the frankenslotting method. I figured it would have been better to go full sets due to the aspect of MANY different kinds of AT's in zone at the time, or even mobs for that matter.
Yes I may be a bit naive on certain aspects of the AT, nobodys perfect. But when Im running 8 toggles 6 of them which are defense/resist related + the fact 2 are Auto from Phalanx FIghting and True Grit which + Other 2 toggles are Focused Acc, and +dmg -foe dmg power, ALL of these 6 slotted mind you with Red Fortune/Titainum Coating or better up to PVP IO's and I still feel as tho Im being hammered into the ground by mobs and PVP alike..
Like I said, I made a simple statement/opinion on the state of shield AT at the moment in my eyes and some one else began the flame war. So if Im considered a troll or whatnot by your standards then so bet it. Im not the one who went back and picked apart your post just to make snide comments, keep that in mind.
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Instead of the rude or l33t sp34k comments how about posting your so called valuable information if you think Im doing it so wrong, for all I know you lucked up and designed a good enhancment set up?
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First, let me say that I too play a Broadsword/Shield scrapper, and although I don't PvP with it, it's simply one of the most overpowered characters I've made for PvE.
It isn't about "lucking up" and designing a good IO build. If it were, then literally dozens of us have "lucked up" to the point of being able to solo pylons and AVs without inspirations or temp powers, using Shield Defense. I am one of them. And I can tell you, without hesitation, that you are way off-base saying Shield Defense needs help. Although Shield Defense is fairly weak defensively out-of-the-box, if you design an IO build properly, it is simply one of the toughest to kill, while also giving you a huge boost in offensive power.
Why don't you post your build, since you're the one having trouble with the set? If you do this, and behave respectfully, people such as myself might help you.
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Sure if I pop enough of the right kind of insperations at the right times I could take down a AV, but Im trying to build my set up to where I dont have to use Insperations.
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Like I said, my Broadsword/Shield scrapper can solo AVs just fine without inspirations, temp powers, buffs from anyone else, or anything. I've even soloed 2 AVs at once, and could definitely handle more. If you can't do this, then ask for help. That's literally all you have to do.
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I feel the power taunts a little to much. When you start pouring on the dmg + this power activated it can be rough. They are not designed to take damage like tanks but can when the pressure's on, thus u pop the uber power in your 2ndary. One with shield doesnt do that.
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OK. I get that OwtS doesn't do what you want it to do. But let me ask you this: what are your defense numbers? From the Combat Attibutes window, under the Defense tab, in the game? If they're not all at or above 45%, then you've got a lot of room for improving your survivability.
If they are at 45% and you're still railing at your tier 9, then frankly, I don't know what to say. I enjoy being able to play "poor man's tank" on task forces, by virtue of my taunt aura and massive AoE damage. But that's because I don't have trouble with survival. And although I liked OwtS while leveling up, and found it really did help me survive, once I kitted out with IOs, I knew I wouldn't need it. My lvl 50 build doesn't have OwtS and doesn't need it.
Listen, you can post a build and ask for help, and you'll get it. Like a dojo, this forum is filled with real experts at kicking [censored] and should be approached with a modicum of respect and humility.
Just railing away at our FotM defense set in ignorance won't get you any help at all.
The choice is yours.
If you needed some help you could have just asked...
Like Chaos said, post your build and we'll start from there...
Here's a couple of videos for you to look at on just how weak shield really is...
Video 1
Video 2
Video 2 was done at level 40... just in case you think you need to spend some ridiculous amount of inf on the build...
BeeKeeper, it's obvious that you don't want help, you want people to agree with your incorrect opinions. They won't.
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Of course Im going to snap your head off if you disrespect me, you sayin you would sit there and take it with out saying a word? yeah right....
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Against my better judgment, I just have to comment on the above.
Respect must be earned. Obsession with 'bein dissed', is an amazingly immature approach to life. A person who hasn't outgrown their concern with this by the time they make it out of grade school, is probably not likely to make it very far in life.
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I am sorry to thread jack this but....no. Just no.
On Topic:
I have played a Shield Brute and Tank to 50 and a BS/SHD Scrapper to 47...weak? OooooK!
Post a build kind sir and perhaps then we can all help.
Beekeeper post up your build so I can have a look, I can only recommend trying to slot for defense bonuses.
Virtue: @Santorican
Dark/Shield Build Thread
BeeKeeper: Here is my first build of a BS/ SHield. Note: I did not get the Purples in this build.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Sweetness preferred: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack -- Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Dam%:50(7), ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb:30(17), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:30(45)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(3), LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(3), Aegis-ResDam:50(13), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(23), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(29)
Level 2: Slice -- Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(7), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(17), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg:50(31), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx:50(42)
Level 4: True Grit -- Mrcl-Heal:40(A), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(5), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(5), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:15(23), Aegis-ResDam:50(25), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(29)
Level 6: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(31)
Level 8: Parry -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:30(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:30(9), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:30(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:30(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(31), LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(34)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(13)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 14: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Numna-Heal:50(15), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(15), Mrcl-Heal:40(42), RgnTis-Regen+:30(50)
Level 16: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 18: Whirling Sword -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:40(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:40(19), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:40(19), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:40(40), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(40), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(48)
Level 20: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(21)
Level 22: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(25)
Level 26: Disembowel -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:40(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:40(27), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:40(27), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:40(34), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(34), Mako-Dam%:40(43)
Level 28: Super Speed -- Winter-ResSlow:50(A)
Level 30: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(48), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(48)
Level 32: Head Splitter -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:40(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:40(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:40(33), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:40(33), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(37), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(43)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Armgdn-Dmg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Dam%:50(37), ExStrk-Dam%:20(43)
Level 38: One with the Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:40(39), Aegis-ResDam:40(39), Numna-Heal:40(39), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:40(40)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(42)
Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:47(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx:47(45), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg:47(45), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:47(46), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:47(46), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:47(46)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I:50(A)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(50), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth:30(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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And here is my current build:
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]
Sweetness #2: Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(7), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(9), T'Death-Dam%:40(13)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(15), Aegis-ResDam:50(34), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(37), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(39)
Level 2: Slice -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(3), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(7), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-%Dam:30(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(17), Aegis-ResDam:50(25), Mrcl-Heal:40(46), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(48), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(50)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- DefBuff-I:50(A), Zephyr-Travel:50(42), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(45), Zephyr-ResKB:50(45)
Level 8: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(17)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(11)
Level 12: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 14: Parry -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(40), Mako-Dam%:50(46)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(42), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(43), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(43)
Level 18: Whirling Sword -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(19), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(23), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), Oblit-%Dam:30(25)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(21), P'Shift-End%:50(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(43)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:25(A)
Level 26: Disembowel -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), Mako-Dam%:50(31)
Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(31)
Level 30: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg:20(A), Rec'dRet-Pcptn:20(31), RechRdx-I:50(39)
Level 32: Head Splitter -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(34)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-%Dam:50(37)
Level 38: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(40), Zephyr-ResKB:50(42)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 44: Laser Beam Eyes -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(48)
Level 49: One with the Shield -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(50), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
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The first was expensive, the 2nd even more so. I could get capped AOE def as well on the 2nd but I'm not ready to make the sacrifices to do so at this time.
And a few notes about OwtS:
1) +recovery is negligible unless slotted for.
2) this is not your "the [censored] hit the fan" power. If the [censored] has hit the fan, eat inspires until you are stable, then use OwtS. Or use it beforehand.
3) OwtS has a fixed recharge. Meaning easy to slot-- you could just throw 2 Resist and an End mod SO in it while lvling and this will be just fine.
4) OwtS and SoW have the lightest crashes of all tier 9's.
5) I have no comments on its usefulness in PVP.
Tactics: Brutes and Tanks benefit greater by running in the middle of a spawn and fueling AAO (and Fury for brutes), but I prefer as a scrapper to open with Shield Charge whenever possible. When they are all on their backs, I can use Slice and Whirling Sword and Parry, then get into position against harder targets. Shield Charge not recharged-- run in and Parry easiest target (minion maybe), then switch to hard target-- use AOE's as necessary, refresh Parry as necessary.
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If you needed some help you could have just asked...
Like Chaos said, post your build and we'll start from there...
Here's a couple of videos for you to look at on just how weak shield really is...
Video 1
Video 2
Video 2 was done at level 40... just in case you think you need to spend some ridiculous amount of inf on the build...
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That's pretty impressive for Video 2. Nice work.
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well I thought the evidence was there already.. 2 powers cant be setted out, Other AT's final power make them close to invulnerable to attacks, while OwtS is a let down, Grant Cover only grants a base 3% resist to the caster while everyone else in the group gets more. Against all Odds generates so much agro with its -foe dmg that even tankers have problems keeping agro off.
Shield charge is good in PVE, but again, useless in PVP. Its pretty obvious the designer for this set was more bent on PVE than PVP.
What good is slotting True Grit with more HP if Defense/Resist is borked the way it is? None what so ever. Just more HP they get to take off you because you cant defense yourself. I went with Resist sets on True Grit due to the fact that every little bit helps whether Def/Res is messed up currently.
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With myt MA/Shield...I found the OwtS a great power.
It gave me just enough ENDREC that it's crashed was never noticed.
Take in the +HP/Resists/and Defenses it has (I had Weave and a +3% Defense IO on mine), I did well with mine, and hardly needed OwtS except for some extreme situations.
What shield lacks, is a heal. Would it be nice to have one? Well of course! But you can get around not having one, but you'll either want one, or want to go DM/Shield if you want to go even more extreme on the survival front.
Softcapped Defenses + Decent Resists + Capped HP = alot of survival.
Add in Shield Charges knockdown, and what you're primary can add...I have found Shield to be anything but lacking.
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Of course Im going to snap your head off if you disrespect me, you sayin you would sit there and take it with out saying a word? yeah right....
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Against my better judgment, I just have to comment on the above.
Respect must be earned. Obsession with 'bein dissed', is an amazingly immature approach to life. A person who hasn't outgrown their concern with this by the time they make it out of grade school, is probably not likely to make it very far in life.
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I was thinking of a different angle, here: this is the internet. There will always be someone ready to disrespect you! The best way to deal with it is to ignore it.
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I view SD as more OP than weak.
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With Shield Defense I have no inclination to make Super Reflexes characters.
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