Cry moar please.
Shields is fine, it provides defense, +HP, decent resistances, a great AoE attack and a damage enhancing aura.
If you want a one-trick pony go roll a /SR (not that SR is bad, I love it).
And btw all defensive sets suck in PvP at the moment. And some resistance sets too like dark armor and electric which will soon be on scrappers.
Edit: LOL at a scrapper complaining about generating aggro in PvE. My fire/invul generates the same kind of aggro, champ. And I don't complain.
kthxbye.
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One with shield is pretty much useless in PVP and barely useable in PVE. The Risk VS reward using it is void. Whats the point of a greater recovery if you loose it all when it drops?! It last no where near as long as moment of glory, elude, or any other Scrapper secondary uber power.
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Moment of Glory lasts 15 seconds, just so you know.
And man, if you think OwtS's crash is bad, I have to ask if you've ever used one of the other godmode powers. Elude takes *all* of your end and reduces recovery to zero for 20s afterwards, and Unstoppable does that plush crashing you to 10% health.
I don't know what your threshold for 'ahead of the curve' is, but you're probably setting it too high if people soloing AVs and pylons doesn't meet it.
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Even though Shield powerset is still new in a way, its definately lacking in the defense department compared to other AT's. Ive respected my build up to 7 times now to just to find a happy medium and no way I build it, it still lacks alot.
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Well, if you've respec'd your build 7 times already and none of them have been decent, you may want to actually get some build help rather than just complain about it because plenty of people on these very forums have no problem getting */Shield to perform incredibly well.
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One with shield is pretty much useless in PVP and barely useable in PVE. The Risk VS reward using it is void. Whats the point of a greater recovery if you loose it all when it drops?! It last no where near as long as moment of glory, elude, or any other Scrapper secondary uber power.
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You do realize that MoG lasts all of 15 seconds, right? The point of OwtS isn't that it grants extra recovery. It grants a rather substantial buff to absolutely everything you've got except for defense (which you should have in decent quantities already). More HP, more resistance, everything. The crash is actually rather minor when you look at what the normal tier 9s have to deal with (Curious? Check out Unstoppable and and tell us how you feel about losing nearly all of your health and all of your endurance).
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In PVP Against all odds, its able to be detoggled by a simple taunt. It generates so much agro in PVE that its almost useless. Grant Cover is useless in PVP due to its a group only buff, not to mention Against all Odds and Active Defense cant be slotted with IO Sets.
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Right. You're angry because your AoE +dam aura isn't making you kick [censored] and take names in PvE? You want to be 73h 4w350m3 at PvE and PvP don't you? Go and talk to all of the */WPs out there that have the exact same thing happen to them concerning a much more integral power: RttC. Of course, you could simply realize that some powers and powersets aren't really optimal for PvP, but that would take too much work wouldn't it?
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Ive been playing Shield steadily since it was released, and even tho I love the look and the feel of the set, I'm really starting to become disheartend due to the constant let down of the lack of "uberness" feel.
Its really bad that this set has 0 choice but to dip in to power pools just to make things work for it. if it wasnt for Tough, Weave, Health, Stamina, and stealth slotted in my build with Def/Resist Sets this AT would be utterly pointless and just for looks.
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Because a set that grants significant additional damage through a high powered +dam aura and a powerful internal AoE, not to mention diversified mitigation methods is horribly underpowered. You do realize that, to account for */Shield's increased offensive contribution, Castle balanced the set to be a defense based equivalent of */Fire, right? Only, because it's based off of defense rather than resistance, it's actually a bit better once you dump some money in to it.
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Its about time for this power to get some love already instead of giving other AT's that are already ahead of the curve, whether it be Villains or Heros, MORE power and attacks and animations. Im still continueing to play it just because I like the style of it, but my patience is wearing thin with getting ganked in PVE and PVE. oh and just for the record, before anyone asks, YES im slotted out from decent to best IO sets. I dont plan on quitting or rerolling a different toon, just ready for something to happen for this AT other than let downs.
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I'm very curious as to why you think */Shield is underpowered beyond you own ability to build to its strengths or play in a manner that would actually cater to them. Post a build, get some advice from the players that have regularly demonstrated the incredible power in */Shield before you start making blanket accusations that are regularly disproven on this very board.
Sorry, can't answer now, I'm still laughing at you complaining you get too much aggro in PvE due to AAO.
SHIELDS SUCKS HORRIBLY! ITS THE WORST SECONDARY! (On SO's or common IO's)
If you say you are slotted with good IO's then you are wrong, IOs bring shields from the worst to one of the best. Remember, while you are not as good as IO'd invuln or WP, you have AAO and SC.
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I have to ask if you've ever used one of the other godmode powers.
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I can honestly say I dont play alts. I stopped playing my other toon when Shields came out and havent looked back since. I have however seen the powers in combat and I definately can say the risk vs reward of the power are far more superior compared to OwtS. Elude pretty much makes you unhittable and gives you time to get away if you need to, Regen makes your Regen sky rocket so taking dmg is pretty much null and able to escape if need be. Owts makes you where you still get the crap beat outta you, but oh look you can recover endurance.. big woopie, thats what Stamina is for.
Ive also tried slotting OwtS with Resist sets and Heal sets both of them were useless. The stats on Stealth were better than OwtS which was a shock in its own.
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whatever bud, I play the AT EVERY day so I know what it does and doesnt do.
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As do I, and most of the people on these forums.
There's really no need for the hostility. If you want to discuss whether Shield is underpowered, present math and/or evidence, and we can engage in civil discourse. At the moment, the burden of proof lies with you, since the general body of evidence says /SD is okay.
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SHIELDS SUCKS HORRIBLY! ITS THE WORST SECONDARY! (On SO's or common IO's)
If you say you are slotted with good IO's then you are wrong, IOs bring shields from the worst to one of the best. Remember, while you are not as good as IO'd invuln or WP, you have AAO and SC.
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Depends on what you consider what the best is. Because right now the best AV solo looks to be dm/shield I taken out 6 solo AV's with no temps or insp on a fire/shield
Nothing wrong with Invulnerability but it depends on what you are fighting with the sets
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Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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whatever bud, I play the AT EVERY day so I know what it does and doesnt do.
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You know what your builds do and don't do.
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Post a build, ...
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Ok I stopped laughing about the poor scrapper getting aggro now.
And lookie, just like you said, EVERYBODY is agreeing with you! Go you! Shields bad!
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It generates so much agro in PVE that its almost useless.
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Are you complaining about aggro ?
... Are you a scrapper ?
Kioshi, you're not helping.
BeeKeeper, from curiosity, what's your primary, and are you softcapped?
well I thought the evidence was there already.. 2 powers cant be setted out, Other AT's final power make them close to invulnerable to attacks, while OwtS is a let down, Grant Cover only grants a base 3% resist to the caster while everyone else in the group gets more. Against all Odds generates so much agro with its -foe dmg that even tankers have problems keeping agro off.
Shield charge is good in PVE, but again, useless in PVP. Its pretty obvious the designer for this set was more bent on PVE than PVP.
What good is slotting True Grit with more HP if Defense/Resist is borked the way it is? None what so ever. Just more HP they get to take off you because you cant defense yourself. I went with Resist sets on True Grit due to the fact that every little bit helps whether Def/Res is messed up currently.
This is like a trainwreck. I can't look away. I can't bring myself to post something constructive and helpful, either.
I also forgot lol cox pvp
I mean shields should suck in pvp much like /da has sucked in pvp since the nerf of cof back in I5
Please lol melee in pvp since pvp was introduced
Come on what do you expect from pvp anything that is based on people being around you for a buff will always suck in pvp
Lets not even get into the broken attacks in pvp where your best primary attacks get beat out by jump kick and flurry
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
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This is like a trainwreck. I can't look away. I can't bring myself to post something constructive and helpful, either.
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See? And even being the 'troll' here I did post something constructive in my first post:
'Shields is fine, it provides defense, +HP, decent resistances, a great AoE attack and a damage enhancing aura.'
But the OP chooses to ignore even detailed answer like Umbral gave.
Hey OP, go ask Powerforge how bad shields is, he only soloed 70 AVs with his, no inspirations or temps!
I can't help you at all with a PvP build, as I don't do that myself, but if you post your PvE build I'd be happy to help with that. Or at least give some pointers.
Also, if you don't want to take Tough/Weave on your Scrappers, what other pools are you looking to get? How many attacks do you want? How many travel pow... you know, posting that build will answer many questions.
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Hey OP, go ask Powerforge how bad shields is, he only soloed 70 AVs with his, no inspirations or temps!
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Hehe
Yes Shields is So Weak 
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"- Chesty Puller US Marine Corps
Your new avatar fits well with this thread, BrokenPrey. Well, at least it's how I feel.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
Videos of Other Stupid Scrapper Tricks
Worse than a ban, you've just opened the gates for people to use Official Werner Quotes.
Next time someone posts such a thread, I'll reply with this :
In the immortal words of Werner, "Hahahahaha, LOLWHUT? It's so AWESOME! LRN2Play??? ".
I view SD as more OP than weak.
Even though Shield powerset is still new in a way, its definately lacking in the defense department compared to other AT's. Ive respected my build up to 7 times now to just to find a happy medium and no way I build it, it still lacks alot.
One with shield is pretty much useless in PVP and barely useable in PVE. The Risk VS reward using it is void. Whats the point of a greater recovery if you loose it all when it drops?! It last no where near as long as moment of glory, elude, or any other Scrapper secondary uber power.
In PVP Against all odds, its able to be detoggled by a simple taunt. It generates so much agro in PVE that its almost useless. Grant Cover is useless in PVP due to its a group only buff, not to mention Against all Odds and Active Defense cant be slotted with IO Sets..
Ive been playing Shield steadily since it was released, and even tho I love the look and the feel of the set, I'm really starting to become disheartend due to the constant let down of the lack of "uberness" feel.
Its really bad that this set has 0 choice but to dip in to power pools just to make things work for it. if it wasnt for Tough, Weave, Health, Stamina, and stealth slotted in my build with Def/Resist Sets this AT would be utterly pointless and just for looks.
Its about time for this power to get some love already instead of giving other AT's that are already ahead of the curve, whether it be Villains or Heros, MORE power and attacks and animations. Im still continueing to play it just because I like the style of it, but my patience is wearing thin with getting ganked in PVE and PVE. oh and just for the record, before anyone asks, YES im slotted out from decent to best IO sets. I dont plan on quitting or rerolling a different toon, just ready for something to happen for this AT other than let downs.