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Whatever happened to... Miss Liberty?

Bad_Influence

By Bad_Influence,
Posted on: 2009-07-12 08:13 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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I was working on a fan fiction story concerning some past events in "City Of" when I wondered whatever happened to Miss Liberty .

You know, Ms. Liberty's mother, daughter of Maiden Justice and Statesman?

Anyone know if she is still around? Or was she one of the casualties of the Rikti War?

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I* killed her when I was helping Recluse gain power in the Isles.

*You can replace I with the name of any Villain character that has done the Mender Tesseract Story.

 

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shes in atlas ignoring my calls

 

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She became a suburban soccer mom, got fat, and could no longer fit into that ridiculous costume.

 

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I* killed her when I was helping Recluse gain power in the Isles.

*You can replace I with the name of any Villain character that has done the Mender Tesseract Story.

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No, "you" didn't. That arc takes place in 1963 and she's still alive and well in 1986 in the Freedom Phalanx novel. Plus, either Hero 1 or Manticore has said she retired before the Rikti war. People who've been dead for 40 years tend not to retire.


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I'm pretty sure Ms. Liberty would be a lot more upset if you'd killed her mother.

Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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I'm pretty sure Ms. Liberty would be a lot more upset if you'd killed her mother.

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Before she gave birth to her, even.


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She's living in Atlas park, bugging her daughter about giving her some grandkids.

 

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And you know, I thought that having Miss Liberty in that 1963 mission was really kind of borked.

The Freedom Phalanx novel had her at about 28 years of age in 1986. That puts her her birthday at about 1958. That means she would have been around 5 in 1963.

Even if you disregard that as not being canon, Ms. Liberty's relatively youthful age seems to preclude the idea that her mother would have been a well established heroine in her own right back in 1963 ...

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Not to mention, she was the mind behind the second Winter event. The one that introduced the JingleJet, and had the missions where you clicked five presents to 'steal' or 'recover' depending on which side you were on.

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The Freedom Phalanx novel had her at about 28 years of age in 1986. That puts her her birthday at about 1958. That means she would have been around 5 in 1963.

Even if you disregard that as not being canon, Ms. Liberty's relatively youthful age seems to preclude the idea that her mother would have been a well established heroine in her own right back in 1963 ...

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Unless you consider that maybe she was picked up from the Menders (or from the "mysterious note sender") in 1986, which would explain how she would know about them, as well as have her daughter there.

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She's living in Atlas park, bugging her daughter about giving her some grandkids.

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This AND directing Freedom Corps!

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And you know, I thought that having Miss Liberty in that 1963 mission was really kind of borked.

The Freedom Phalanx novel had her at about 28 years of age in 1986. That puts her her birthday at about 1958. That means she would have been around 5 in 1963.

Even if you disregard that as not being canon, Ms. Liberty's relatively youthful age seems to preclude the idea that her mother would have been a well established heroine in her own right back in 1963 ...

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Yeah, the timeline is kind of screwed up and always bugged me.

In the Web of Arachnos novel, States and Maiden Justice wed in 1932, when she was 22.

Let's assume Miss Liberty was very young in the 1963 arc, about 18.

That puts her around 41 in the Freedom Phalanx novel in 1986. That seems to be a little old for how she was written there. Her daughter, Ms. Liberty, was 9 in 1986. 32 isn't that old to have a kid, so that much works out.

However, that would make Ms. Liberty presently 32, which is much older than the CoH comics made her out to be. In fact the game makes mention of people doubting her ability to lead Freedom Corps as such a young age. That would lead one to think she's still in her early 20's or so.

The timeline and the math mostly works out, but the characterization in the game doesn't. Indeed, all of the Phalanxers, Positron, Synapse, Manticore, would all be pushing 50, as Positron and Synapse were both 27 in 1986.


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Miss Liberty picked up her father's (Statesman's) supernatural gifts. Statesman doesn't age. So, it would be natural to assume that Miss Liberty doesn't age, or is very long-lived.

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Which is fine for Miss Liberty being 41 and raising a 9 year old daughter.

That doesn't explain away people dubting Ms. Liberty's leadership skills, calling her "too young" at 32 or the way she acts.

Also, the Phalanx novel establishes they didn't pick up all his gifts and they do age, because a big plot point is Statesman losing his elderly wife and dreading going through the same thing with the next two generations. The massive number of people he's had to say goodbye to while he stays young is implied as being the major reason he went from dashing, Errol Flynn-like hero leader in the 1930s, to the cynical, figurehead with a chip on his shoulder and a stick shoved someplace else he is today.


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I believe that Statesman's heirs do age at a slower rate.
It does kinda makes sense, a number of characteristics are inherited equally from both side with the offspring being somewhat in the middle.


And, maybe, if she looked like a twenty something years old, people would have trouble overlooking it and would tend to underestimate her.
Plus, part of maturity is actually due to physiological changes in the brain as it grows older. It does make sense that a slower aging process might also slow down this maturation process.


Plenty of wiggle room to try and 'fix' the canon.

 

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Plenty of wiggle room to try and 'fix' the canon.

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I never said it was broken to begin with. The writing could stand to be tightened up a little.

Honestly, the canon is the last thing in this game I'd complain about. Most of it is fantastic, if not sligtly muddled over the various mediums it has been presented in.


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After reading all that

Turns out Maiden Justice who gave birth to Miss Liberty is the Sister of LORD RECLUSE, which would made him Uncle Recluse to Miss Liberty & Grand Uncle? Recluse to Ms. Liberty?


Creepy


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After reading all that

Turns out Maiden Justice who gave birth to Miss Liberty is the Sister of LORD RECLUSE, which would made him Uncle Recluse to Miss Liberty & Grand Uncle? Recluse to Ms. Liberty?


Creepy


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want to think of something more creepy there?


Dominatrix and Tyrants "relationship"


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(snip)...She caught Tyrant's attention and has been serving him loyally, in all capacities, ever since.


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As has been noted above, Miss Liberty is alive and well and apparently a mucky-muck at Freedom Corps. The consensus is that Alexis (Miss Liberty) runs the day to day operations and Megan (Ms. Liberty) runs Longbow.

There's a lot of conflicting information because the early website lore confuses the two of them here and there.

 

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After reading all that

Turns out Maiden Justice who gave birth to Miss Liberty is the Sister of LORD RECLUSE [...]

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Now how cool would it be to have Recluse as a brother? If someone ticked you off you could coolly say, "...ok, I'm letting my supervillain brother who has a personal army know about that" and everyone would be running for the hills, or better yet, bowing and scraping every time they saw you.

Awesome.

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want to think of something more creepy there?


Dominatrix and Tyrants "relationship"


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(snip)...She caught Tyrant's attention and has been serving him loyally, in all capacities, ever since.


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