I personally can't stand playing controllers,
1) They solo very slowly for a good chunk of their career, and in some cases their entire career
2) I'm the last person you want playing an emp on whatever team your on, I hate playing a buff bot
You'll have a percentage of each going over to the other side I suspect, roughly in equal numbers. On the bigger picture, it'll be interesting to see how some of the content will work out with different AT's, I do see some people being scared off by the number of elite bosses you see red side
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Being that both may be available options to the player, regardless of 'side'; how do you believe the new Dom will stack up against the Controller?
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I suspect we'll be seeing a large number of Ill/* controllers being ported to the Rogue Islands.
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I have to say that I've never really liked playing a defender (although corruptors seem fun). If I have a controller that plays like a defender, I loose interest really quick.
That being said, I do like playing heroes over villains. So I'd really like to play a blue-dominator when going rogue comes out.
The fact that I can also change the powers' colors as well, now that just sells the hero dom idea to me.
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Yep. I will be one.
But I will also be taking many of my MMs blue too. I haven't decided which ones yet but certainly more than 1.
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If we get illusion then I think doms will do fine. Now that we can solo extremely well vs trollers I think we are at a point where we can be considered equals. Prior to this change I would have seen GR as the extinction of dominators.
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Being that both may be available options to the player, regardless of 'side'; how do you believe the new Dom will stack up against the Controller?
Which will be your preference when the opportunity arises?
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I'll be playing a Dom, of course. I'd like to play WITH Controllers. I've done it before and the buffs are nice; they will be even nicer with the base damage increases we got.
Which will I pick for a team? Controllers, since I'll be a Dom and I like buffs and variety. I do agree with EvilRyu on the notion that we'll be looked at as equals when GR comes out, but I'm positive it wouldn't have been the extinction of Doms had we not gotten the buffs, though, since there's always a few sympathizers and non-picky leaders, plus there would still be Permadoms.
My Dom will definitely be going Blue. It's my favorite toon, and most of my friends play Blueside, so....
As for how they'll stack up to controllers, they'll do fine. Defenders make better debuffers for the slot than Controllers, and for single targets (you know, the dangerous stuff), Dom's damage is to be respected, right up there with Blaster damage now.
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Being that both may be available options to the player, regardless of 'side'; how do you believe the new Dom will stack up against the Controller?
Which will be your preference when the opportunity arises?
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I imagine trollers will propagate much of the rogue isles just as they have over on the blue side.
I imagine blasters will as well.
I don't think doms really compete with trollers for team spots. I have rarely heard "looking for earth controller/dom", but I have heard "looking for rad, or lf kin".
Dom's are much more likely to vie for the spot against blasters.
I would say that "controlling" mobs has never been considered as much "fun" for teams as outright killing them. Dom's lead to safer xp, blasters lead to faster xp. Achieving enough safety for a team to progress through the game is trivial, so people will prefer the faster xp.
I'll take anyone that isn't an idiot be they dom, troller, blaster,or w/e. In the event I saw a broadcast of three toons lft, but if my team already had enough buff/debuff and/or a good agro sponge to survive everything then I'll take a troller for further buff/debuff or a blaster for damage over a dom.
i can honestly say that once GR comes out, i will never roll a troller ever again lol
I really can't stand Controllers so it's Doms for me. One of the bright sides of side switching is that (hopefully) you'll be able to put Controller APPs on Doms who've gone to the blue. I'm really hoping for the Stone APP for my Earth/Fiery Dom.
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Really, both have their attractions, especially after the Dom buffs. Doms have good damage much faster; especially important with the lowest damage sets Ice and Earth. And they require less "preparation of the battlefield; instead of control-debuff-start attacking, it's control-blast. On the other hand, Controllers have more control ( duh ), and buffs/debuffs to help deal with critters they CAN'T hold. My higher level controllers handle those high level near-unmezzable EBs easier than my Doms tend to.
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Well, each of them have strong points..
Doms can control and kill faster, but they're pretty heavy on End now, and their controls seem lighter.
Trollers have higher survivability with debuffs/heals/buffs and the "Overpower" thing, but will(with the exception of a Fire/Kin) go through mobs slower.
Personally, I'll be moving my Dom to Blueside because I think it's funner. Dunno about my troller though.
I never really did get the whole "VS" thing, I mean outside of control, does it really matter which one you pick? One has back up buffs/heals/debuffs, the other damage. Me personally I would take both if I had the space. Both can totally play off of the others control powers ( I guess so long as we are not talking like Ice vs fire), meaning what ever is in need of being held/immob is done. One can buff the other or debuff whatever is in the way, while the other can blast it to death. Heck sounds more to me like a teaming of a "New Dom" and "Troller" is a lock and unload team, no need for "Tank and spank"
But really isn't this more of a what the leader or team wants not so much as two AT fighting over a spot/roll on a team? I have teamed with people who can't stand Tanks cause they think it slows everything down, or with some people who thing blasters die at the drop of a hat, as well as people who thing all stalkers can do is kill one thing at a time with only 3 powers, Hide+ Build Up+ AS=run get back in hide and do it again, so they never even let a stalker on a team let long even look at their team.
I could say something like they are wrong or living in CoX from 3 or 4 years ago, but this is how these people like to run their teams, me personally I am welcome to anything I can get!
I'm guessing 'lighter' = less effective.
In truth, Dom controls are 20% shorter in duration to controller equivalents. Doesn't really bother me, however, since my Dom's enemies tend to drop over more than 20% faster.
Hoping since with GRs release the Devs will actually give illusion to doms. Would love an illusion/psi, been wanting one for years. Mostly for concept, might roll as a ill/fire with the changes.
Oh lord not this again. Doms and Controllers don't play similarly at all. I'd draw a Dom and Blaster comparison (even before the AT revamp) over a Dom Controller one any day.
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Oh lord not this again. Doms and Controllers don't play similarly at all. I'd draw a Dom and Blaster comparison (even before the AT revamp) over a Dom Controller one any day.
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Exactly.
Though interestingly enough Castle was the one with the goal of increasing dominator viability relative to controllers 
, but then he went and turned them into blapper 2.0's
Not to knock the set(s), but with all the grav/eng's leveling up right now I wonder how long before they hit the same wall that stalkers used to where everyone says they are useless cause all they can do in teams is single target stuff.
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Yeah.
Although the only reason why that seems that way is because Controllers use their controls more than Dominators since they lack any attacks outside of APPs.
I actually agree with Talen on this.
Trollers are my favorite hero AT. (10 on my main hero server)
Doms are my favorite villain AT. (7 on my main villain server)
This allows me to make trollers to be on my villain server and doms on my hero server. Win/Win.
I don't think either AT has more value over the other tho. But I play for fun and not to Kill AV-X in 15 seconds solo while under constant debuff and no enhancements. 
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I actually agree with Talen on this.
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I actually agree with Talen on this.
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I drew this particular comparison because the primaries are functionally the same.
It seemed that prior to the changes; Controllers had better control and a more consistent higher damage output from their primaries.
What I am trying to jive is what secondary type people are more enticed by.
Right now, I'm trying a Plant/ on both /Kin Troller and a /Fire Dom.
My Dom is great, her primary chain is well supplemented by her secondary chain and mobs are getting slaughtered even without fancy slotting. But the vibe is that solo is her strong point... teaming may require her to tone down her game plan and let others take on the bigger spawns (at least until Domination comes up)
My Troller is great; she gets well rewarded for locking things down and she does it well and I don't find myself stressing my survivability as much. I don't mind playing her solo but she seems geared to being a solid anchor for any team. I don't feel like I'm taking a backseat on teams when I play her.
With the new Dom damage mods, I'm liking them more than their Controllers brethren; especially solo... and only consider Trollers when using /Kin or /Rad.
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Being that both may be available options to the player, regardless of 'side'; how do you believe the new Dom will stack up against the Controller?
Which will be your preference when the opportunity arises?
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