So the fire/kin era is over?
By
Another_Fan,
Posted on: 2009-07-04 10:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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More like: The era of doorsitting while one toon runs a farm of lts and minions and almost no bosses is over.
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Thats true! 54 Bosses simply don't fall to Flashfire/FireCages/Fireball/Hotfeet quite the way 52 minions/LTs do.
As eveyrone else on this thread seems to agree, I have noticed no change in the number of fire/kinetics controllers though. Control may be less useful in a boss spawn, but kinetics isn't going out of style with team-mates anytime soon, and Fire/ is the highest AoE damaging primary to pair with it.
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COuld just be that everyone has a Fire/Kin now? I don't. But those who want such a thing, might just have it already.
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I have a Fire/Regen scrapper right now and I love him. Fire Sword Circle FTW!
I built a fire/kin about 2 months ago, he's lvl 50 w/ 2 purple sets atm (absolute amazement and gravitational anchor).
I've got his s/l dam. res. at roughly 21% and his s/l def. at about 38% i RARELY die on 54 boss farms, not to mention that i can stun half the mob w/ flashfire.
I'm not sure why there are fire/kin haters out there, farming builds or not, but THEY ARE the best farming builds out there, and as long as they have sb, can be great on teams.
I know, teams want the fs, but sb helps too, especially if u have a stone/ tank.
If u can tell me ONE better farming build, plz do, bc i would like to build it and face plant when i find that u are extremely WRONG.
Yeah, auto-exemping really leaves no reason for everyone to stick there. Before the professional doorsitter mentors just alt-tabbed out and browsed sites and let the guy purpled and built specifically to farm the map do it, and the sidekicks just did the same since they couldn't tag along even if they wanted to.
Of course if you're a lowbie fighting 52/54s you probably aren't much in the way of help. But at least it's not as BORING as doorsitting. I could fall asleep easily in those godforsaken TV farms redside. GIANT MAP! MOBS THAT PROC VENG! AWESOME!
Those old builds are still good for purple recipe farmin' though.
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I then went to Atlas and that's where the action is. ...But with a difference. Again very few Fire/Kins....and the farm teams are now TEAMS.
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problem w/ a lot of those "teams" they're started by low level noobs looking for people to help them w/ lame boss farms.
I see responses like "this is cool" or "this is awesome" ...nay I say, a boss farm + PuG = fail. There was a lowbie Tank sk'd up on the team...someone told them to go tank the boss mob...then I replied, "you do know that we're all sk'd up and that Tanker is actually level 3 right?" Needless to say...I didn't stay very long.
Farming isn't done by fire/kins, farming is done by various level 8 characters who skipped all their toggles.
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
Nothing.
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My husbands Plant/Storm controller and our friends Archery/MM blaster. Yes, I'd be willing to place a bet on that.
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Fire/kins are still VERY common in AE farms.
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Yes, on TEAMS. Rarely soloing the whole map on their own.
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Agreed. The Fire/Kins I saw were on teams that included a Tanker. Remember when we needed a Tanker? The good ole days are back!
Most of the Fire/Kins are probably there because they were built during the Fire/Kin era. Something tells me there aren't as many being rolled now. If I wanted to farm all the time, I would go with a Spines or Fire Scrapper now. Since the whole team is fighting, why play a toon that actually has to work? A Fire/Kin has to do a lot more to stay alive...and you have all those teammates who are actually with you to SB every couple minutes. A much different world than when you only had to think about yourself while a bunch of stunned Lts and Mins melted.
I'll admit I didn't farm very often in the old days. (once or twice a month maybe?) It just got boring. But this type of farm is actually fun. I'm sort of a nerd for teaming though, so that may explain it.
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Farming isn't done by fire/kins, farming is done by various level 8 characters who skipped all their toggles.
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Its funny because its true.
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Farming isn't done by fire/kins, farming is done by various level 8 characters who skipped all their toggles.
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But why would I want Temporay Invulnerability? I want to be Invulnerable ALL THE TIME LOL.
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Farming isn't done by fire/kins, farming is done by various level 8 characters who skipped all their toggles.
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But why would I want Temporay Invulnerability? I want to be Invulnerable ALL THE TIME LOL.
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Perhaps everyone who skips Temporary Invulnerability is remembering Gauntlet...
"Valkyrie now has Temporary Invulnerability." Watch in horror as your hit points suddenly count down twice as fast while the power is running...
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Farming isn't done by fire/kins, farming is done by various level 8 characters who skipped all their toggles.
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But why would I want Temporay Invulnerability? I want to be Invulnerable ALL THE TIME LOL.
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Perhaps everyone who skips Temporary Invulnerability is remembering Gauntlet...
"Valkyrie now has Temporary Invulnerability." Watch in horror as your hit points suddenly count down twice as fast while the power is running...
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I am embarassed to admit that I have a friend who, early in his CoH career, skipped Temp.Invuln on his Invuln/SS Tank because he thought it was a short-term, clicky-type buff. Eventually he read the actual power description.
At the time, Unyielding was "Unyielding Stance".
I wonder how many people who skip toggles think that toggles are short-term clicky-type buffs.
Only reason I have skipped Te,p Invulnerability is because I've never made a /Inv or Inv/ character yet. Briefly considered it for Bow Chicka Bow Wow, but then finally settled on DM/Electric for him after deciding to make him a Stalker.
Just was in Atlas with my Fire/Kin to pay my rent and noticed a broadcast for "all kin team". I thought of this thread immediately and joined up.
We ended up with 7 /kins....mostly fire...and one Scrapper (a low level friend of one of the kins). I figured, ok...this will be easy.
Nope. Those lvl 54 bosses wacked us around pretty good. At least one death per mob. The team was begging for a Tank very quickly. We had two Tankers by the end of the mish. A good experiment though. Fire/Kins aren't the king of farms anymore.
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Fire/Kins aren't the king of farms anymore
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AE farms.
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Fire/Kins aren't the king of farms anymore
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AE farms.
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And unless my past 2 days are deceiving me, that's the only farms that have survived.
NOTHING can solo farm a 54 boss farm, if u do know of anything, show us a vid. 
What's that? You don't have a vid. but a story about some tank or scrapper doing it?
In that case i'll have to say LIAR!
Fire/kins farm BM, Demon, and Freak farms...
I don't know why the dev.'s haven't nerfed ae to where u can' t do 54 boss farms yet, but it most likely will go next.
and after that?
Fire/kins will go back to PI, along with every lazy lowbie w/ a couple mil.
The reason 8 fire/kin teams don't work is bc u've got a dam. cap of 400%, if there wasn't a dam. cap then an 8 man fire/kin team would be going through that map faster than it took me to write this post.
FS stacked at 16 will get u at dam. cap
If u guys don't remember about 2 weeks ago, b4 i15 came out, remember those farms w/ all those baddies spawning in one spot? Remember all of those fire/ blasters charging lowbies for those? My fire/kin was soloing those farms that had 52 lt.'s, granted that i was next to a regen/recovery shrine, but I was also surrounded by 16 baddies all the time (there was actually around 200, but I was at agro cap ) I didn't even charge lowbies, just told them to go to a room and stay there or be perma-dead.
NO! THE FIRE/KIN era is not over!
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It's just taking a well-deserved break... 
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Just was in Atlas with my Fire/Kin to pay my rent and noticed a broadcast for "all kin team". I thought of this thread immediately and joined up.
We ended up with 7 /kins....mostly fire...and one Scrapper (a low level friend of one of the kins). I figured, ok...this will be easy.
Nope. Those lvl 54 bosses wacked us around pretty good. At least one death per mob. The team was begging for a Tank very quickly. We had two Tankers by the end of the mish. A good experiment though. Fire/Kins aren't the king of farms anymore.
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Everyone on that team, including the scrapper, should reroll.
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NOTHING can solo farm a 54 boss farm, if u do know of anything, show us a vid.
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Sorry, it's much more fun to watch people talk about LT farms or team boss farms like it's the real deal. 
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... the farm teams are now TEAMS. Doorsitting appears to be a thing of the past. Interesting!
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If the team wants the most efficient route, yes, it's a team endeavour.
However, many more times than not, it's more a case of the TL going afk after the first mob, or the Brute not having Taunt or a bunch of under level 20s fighting 54 bosses. The results are inevitable (including the rad/kin/pain dom being blamed because they didn't heal well enough when it's damn obvious the team was never going to work with lowbies and/or afk'ers)...
As a side note, I was amused when yesterday I was criticised for being afk outside the mission (before it started - RL intervened and I didn't have time to tell the team) - why I was amused is that I never go afk in a mission without a damn good reason, but I have been on tons of teams (both AE and non-AE) where ppl have gone afk for whole missions without saying anything and the whole team lets that go without comment.
Anyway, in summary - yes, AE farms are different from PI/GV farms due to the fact that there shouldn't be any need for anyone doorsitting or afk'ing the whole run, but I can assure you, it happens all the time.
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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I must have been on a different kind of fam I guess. Forgive me, I haven't been on in a while.
The one I saw featured nothing but bosses...lvl 54. Ain't no Fire/Kin going to farm that one. This was a team...it had to be.
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Well nothing can solo level 54s bosses efficiently so obvious that you'd need a team for them.
But if you bring it down to lvl 50 bosses my fire/kin can go at about the same rate as the other 7 members, as long as one of them isn't a kin. And if you go back to the old PI farms he can smoke the other 7 members.
dont know about it being AS effective, but my plant/storm/stone is surprisingly good at farming. I would take maybe, plant/kin/fire perhaps? (or storm). I could see that being brutal
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
Nothing.
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I must have been on a different kind of fam I guess. Forgive me, I haven't been on in a while.
The one I saw featured nothing but bosses...lvl 54. Ain't no Fire/Kin going to farm that one. This was a team...it had to be.
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Well nothing can solo level 54s bosses efficiently so obvious that you'd need a team for them.
But if you bring it down to lvl 50 bosses my fire/kin can go at about the same rate as the other 7 members, as long as one of them isn't a kin. And if you go back to the old PI farms he can smoke the other 7 members.
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Well yeah... if we go back to that. But that was my point. Those farms seem to be history. Freedom PI was a peaceful place today. Those specific situations where the Fire/Kin was god are no longer the farm of choice. And does anyone "bring it down to lvl 50"? (I have no idea how you make a mish spawn lvl 54 or not.) So you may have a tough time finding that one.
I just did some more "research" today. Brought out a high lvl Fire/Fire Blaster, Spines/Dark Scrapper (who can give any Fire/Kin a run for their money without worrying so much about dying), and Dark/Dark Defender and joined some farm teams. I mean...this is so much better. We used to hear talk about how horrible it was in PI with doorsitting and one person doing all the work. Now you contribute to farms no matter what your AT. The team NEEDS you. I saw actual tactics today. A few team wipes too...after which there is talk of changing tactics.
And have we also gotten rid of the people who are charging to be on the team? I didn't see any of that in broadcast.
I don't see why there would be a lot of complaining about these new farms. This is a massive improvement. This bears a strong similarity to....the regular game.
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Just was in Atlas with my Fire/Kin to pay my rent and noticed a broadcast for "all kin team". I thought of this thread immediately and joined up.
We ended up with 7 /kins....mostly fire...and one Scrapper (a low level friend of one of the kins). I figured, ok...this will be easy.
Nope. Those lvl 54 bosses wacked us around pretty good. At least one death per mob. The team was begging for a Tank very quickly. We had two Tankers by the end of the mish. A good experiment though. Fire/Kins aren't the king of farms anymore.
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Everyone on that team, including the scrapper, should reroll.
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I don't know what the standard is, but I believe you have it placed too high.
We've got a few "uber-players" who seem to think everyone else should be that good too. Well....the average player isn't going to charge a group of lvl 54 bosses and yawn.
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More like: The era of doorsitting while one toon runs a farm of lts and minions and almost no bosses is over.
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Thats true! 54 Bosses simply don't fall to Flashfire/FireCages/Fireball/Hotfeet quite the way 52 minions/LTs do.
As eveyrone else on this thread seems to agree, I have noticed no change in the number of fire/kinetics controllers though. Control may be less useful in a boss spawn, but kinetics isn't going out of style with team-mates anytime soon, and Fire/ is the highest AoE damaging primary to pair with it.