So the fire/kin era is over?
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Posted on: 2009-07-04 10:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I still use mine. I have no clue what you're talking about.
For farming nonetheless. ;-) They're probably in AE, or hidden. 
Was on a team the other day with three (3) Fire/Kin trollers.
They'll be back.... AND in GREATER numbers!
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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I must have been on a different kind of fam I guess. Forgive me, I haven't been on in a while.
The one I saw featured nothing but bosses...lvl 54. Ain't no Fire/Kin going to farm that one. This was a team...it had to be.
Was talking to my friend this morning... I'm working on my scrapper's build to add defense. And he wanted to show off his build... 45% smashing/lethal defense, on a fire/kin.
Granted that was an extreme build -- he said he'd spent 6-7 billion on it (which... when one person says "I have a 4 billion build" and another says "I have a 7 billion build" does it mean the 2nd person has a better build, or just more money and less patience? But I digress...)
Anyway... clearly SOME fire/kins would be fine farming one of those boss missions. ^_^ (And I know he does.)
But you have a point. For a 54 boss mission, a good tank and a well-built team are not afterthoughts. Some people get that, some don't. I was on a team yesterday where the leader very carefully picked out veteran players/good players with good builds (he commented on mine so I know he was paying attention to these things). Took extra time to assemble the team, but it ran really smoothly. On a different team, similar mission, lots of people dying and the leader was frustrated because things weren't working the way they were supposed to..."something's wrong... we shouldn't be having this much trouble!" he kept saying... but of course he'd just assemble a random group of 8 people together, several of which were mid to lower level. No real clue what made a good team for that kind of mission.
I think farms like this are still not very exciting, but they're miles ahead of older-style farms. At least everyone on the team is involved.
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when one person says "I have a 4 billion build" and another says "I have a 7 billion build" does it mean the 2nd person has a better build, or just more money and less patience?
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It means they like making up big numbers to make themselves sound cool... 
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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I must have been on a different kind of fam I guess. Forgive me, I haven't been on in a while.
The one I saw featured nothing but bosses...lvl 54. Ain't no Fire/Kin going to farm that one. This was a team...it had to be.
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Right: they enable the team to a ridiculous degree while also maintaining a terrific level of self-sufficiency.
I personally don't have a fire/kin, but I do love my ice/kin to death. She's not for farming either.
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More like: The era of doorsitting while one toon runs a farm of lts and minions and almost no bosses is over.
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More like: The era of doorsitting while one toon runs a farm of lts and minions and almost no bosses is over.
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At least until they remove the 'all boss/all lieutenant' option from AE...
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
Nothing.
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I must have been on a different kind of fam I guess. Forgive me, I haven't been on in a while.
The one I saw featured nothing but bosses...lvl 54. Ain't no Fire/Kin going to farm that one. This was a team...it had to be.
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Right: they enable the team to a ridiculous degree while also maintaining a terrific level of self-sufficiency.
I personally don't have a fire/kin, but I do love my ice/kin to death. She's not for farming either.
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Fire/Kins can be one of the biggest boons to any team, and it's really not that hard of a build to play extremely well... unfortunately, it seems that it attracted the attention of those people that make CoX look challenging (I have such horrible luck with Fire/Kins on pugs... so often they flat out suck, barely using any powers from either the primary or the secondary!).
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Was talking to my friend this morning... I'm working on my scrapper's build to add defense. And he wanted to show off his build... 45% smashing/lethal defense, on a fire/kin.
Granted that was an extreme build -- he said he'd spent 6-7 billion on it (which... when one person says "I have a 4 billion build" and another says "I have a 7 billion build" does it mean the 2nd person has a better build, or just more money and less patience? But I digress...)
Anyway... clearly SOME fire/kins would be fine farming one of those boss missions. ^_^ (And I know he does.)
But you have a point. For a 54 boss mission, a good tank and a well-built team are not afterthoughts. Some people get that, some don't. I was on a team yesterday where the leader very carefully picked out veteran players/good players with good builds (he commented on mine so I know he was paying attention to these things). Took extra time to assemble the team, but it ran really smoothly. On a different team, similar mission, lots of people dying and the leader was frustrated because things weren't working the way they were supposed to..."something's wrong... we shouldn't be having this much trouble!" he kept saying... but of course he'd just assemble a random group of 8 people together, several of which were mid to lower level. No real clue what made a good team for that kind of mission.
I think farms like this are still not very exciting, but they're miles ahead of older-style farms. At least everyone on the team is involved.
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Snort. I have a softcapped smash/lethal build which cost about 100m.
On a good day I can solo farm 52 bosses. On a bad day they all kill me with the alpha,
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But if they strike you down, you will return more.... never mind.
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lol, you should have finished.
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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Wrong, matter of fact so bad it would have to work to be just wrong.
The fire/kin era is over...
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fire/kins are still good. The real farmers use them on LT farms. These AE noobs are running 54 boss missions with tanks and emps, which is about as inefficient as you can get.
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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Wrong, matter of fact so bad it would have to work to be just wrong.
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I was gonna leave it alone. thankfully you did the job for me. LOL
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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fire/kins are still good. The real farmers use them on LT farms. These AE noobs are running 54 boss missions with tanks and emps, which is about as inefficient as you can get.
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Not if there are AVs mixed in with the bosses. And I've been on teams where lvl 54 bosses melt. And no I'm not talking about noob teams.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Fire/kins are still VERY common in AE farms.
Only prayer and fasting can drive this kind out.
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Fire/kins are still VERY common in AE farms.
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Yes, on TEAMS. Rarely soloing the whole map on their own.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
I see so many Fire/Kins around these days, I just wanna take my Ice/Sonics and FREEZE THEM TO DEATH! 
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Sorry. Pent up anger against stupid noobs who have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how to play, and act like they do. Then call you stupid for not playing the way THEY play. Even though their way leads to team wipes.
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You may get back to the topic now.
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Nothing Heroside can out farm a well built fire/kin.
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Wrong, matter of fact so bad it would have to work to be just wrong.
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I'm curious as to what you think farms better.
Not that I have any intention of making it. Unless I already have >.>
Now it probably depends on the map (for instance my DB/WP farmed a council map way better than a demon map)...but I still haven't seen anything beat a fire/kin in speed on a demon map.
I have a SGmate who farms fast with her Fire/Rad, but I haven't seen her hit the 6min mark either.
I admit, I've only seen one Fire/Kin be able to do this. But I haven't seen anything else do it either.
Demon map was go in circle, with glowies. I only make mention of this, as I've seen demon farm maps witht he same map, but no glowies.
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Just got back from a bit of a break. Found myself in Freedom PI last night. That's ONE Freedom PI total. The broadcast was clear, the zone had zone appropriate toons running around, and not a Fire/Kin in sight.
I then went to Atlas and that's where the action is. ...But with a difference. Again very few Fire/Kins....and the farm teams are now TEAMS. Doorsitting appears to be a thing of the past. Interesting!
I assume the former talk of how "overpowered" Fire/Kins are has gone away too. As I always said, get them out of those specific situations and you'll find out they are not gods after all.
This isn't a gloat at Fire/Kins. I even pulled mine out to join the farm and see what it was like. It's faceplant city if you get cocky with these farms. I enjoyed playing my Fire/Kin the same way I always enjoyed it. It's a great team character and the new farms are a team endeavor. Much more fun.
The best part is I won't have to respec out of a "farm build" since I never used one. She still has Hover/Fly/Teleport like always and powers like Bonfire (underrated).