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You think that is funny? How about a 50 Stone tank with 8 of his Secondary attacks , no Taunt , no Granite Armor, Stealth and Assault and Tactics? We had this priceless waste of space on our team for 20 minutes and after his 5th death in the first 15, one of the other heroes told us in team chat what his powers were. He only had 3 exploration badges , all of the AP and 44 AE badges ( thats it )
Why would someone that horribly disfigured even join a high level TF as a main tank? Maybe its because we were mostly villains and he though he was sticking it to us!
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You think that is funny? How about a 50 Stone tank with 8 of his Secondary attacks , no Taunt , no Granite Armor, Stealth and Assault and Tactics? We had this priceless waste of space on our team for 20 minutes and after his 5th death in the first 15, one of the other heroes told us in team chat what his powers were. He only had 3 exploration badges , all of the AP and 44 AE badges ( thats it )
Why would someone that horribly disfigured even join a high level TF as a main tank? Maybe its because we were mostly villains and he though he was sticking it to us!
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Maybe he was RP-ing a character that because of his tremenous size was feared by all ... but who was actually a terrible coward. 
How DARE you tell someone what powers they should have???????? 
(Kicking him, on the other hand, perfectly acceptable.) 
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I know people that have been actively playing for 4+ years and cant play worth a damn. Not pl'd. No farming. Lots of hot cat girl ERP. RPers seem to be the players that cant figure how to play.
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I swear to God ive teamed with more then my share of these... they are the RL version of Fusionette in game...
"checking my salvage, one sec!", "Tee Hee", "Look how cool my rocket boots are!", "/em licks"
And then you check their badges and see they have 60 months. And yet they still dont know that pulling with fireball on an 8 man team with your blaster might not be the safest option.
"I know, but it looks pretty!", "Anyone got a wakie?",
"hey I can see my underwear when im lying here on the ground LOLROFLCOPTER11!1!!!"
For some people learning the game is not important no matter how long they play.
Yeah I thought what Inc posted to me was funny as heck. Your problem you posted about, not funny, but a part of MMO life.
There are plenty of people of ALL playstyles that can't play their toons well, but when you PUG it you roll the dice, everyone already knows that and most "accept that fact and move on."
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I know people that have been actively playing for 4+ years and cant play worth a damn.
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Probably started at age 10 and are 14 or 15 now. Not much of a difference there, all but maybe more stupid sex comments.
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I know people that have been actively playing for 4+ years and cant play worth a damn. Not pl'd. No farming. Lots of hot cat girl ERP. RPers seem to be the players that cant figure how to play.
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Two things:
People who engage in "hot cat girl ERP" are not representative of RPers as a whole. They're like your weird Uncle Ernie who the family doesn't like to talk about, and you feel really uncomfortable around them, but they keep showing up to all the family gatherings.
Second, many of us can RP and kick serious butt in game. In fact some of us can even do both at the same time. I'm an RPer and I wish there was a challenge level 6, because the PVE in this game is often much too easy.
I also would like for them to get a clue on how to design PVP, because I'm also a PVPer as well as an RPer (just not in this game because PVP sucks).
This myth that RPers can't play is a false stereotype perpetuated by people who, for some reason, can't handle the idea of someone else exercising their imagination.
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There are plenty of people of ALL playstyles that can't play their toons well, but when you PUG it you roll the dice, everyone already knows that and most "accept that fact and move on."
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I wish more people accepted that life in an MMO was going to disappoint them sometimes - your favorite power will get nerfed, you will not be able to solo that AV, you won't get a purple drop, people will say stupid things in broadcast, your PuG will have an idiot in it etc etc etc etc etc. You accept it all and move on, why fuss over it?
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But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
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I know people that have been actively playing for 4+ years and cant play worth a damn. Not pl'd. No farming. Lots of hot cat girl ERP. RPers seem to be the players that cant figure how to play.
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What a load of stereotyping, discriminatory hogwash. Good job on generalizing RP'ers solely as cat girls and ERP'ers too.
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What a load of stereotyping, discriminatory hogwash. Good job on generalizing RP'ers solely as cat girls and ERP'ers too.
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Actually I find some of the worst players have names like xxxfirekinxxx, cookie-cutter uber purpled-out builds, and a complete lack of understanding that not every mission in the game is [insert favorite farm mission here] and sometimes the one tactic you know will not work.
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The problems you've described are identical to the problems I used to have... 4 years ago. 
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This has been happening since I joined the game in I2 from people that have never been power leveled they do not understand game mechanics powers etc it is a large % of the population just shake your head and move on
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And this.
I know people IRL who have multiple toons that hit 50 years ago and leveled them without any PLing. They are a misery to play with because they refuse to learn how to play - basically if they're on your team you have to accept that they will die multiple times, and so will you if you're anywhere near them. Max level could be set in the thousands and there would still be endgame players who didn't understand exemplaring, merits, and TFs in general. The worst part about AE isn't the farming or the PLing, it's all the whining and misplaced blame that's sprung up around it. "This player sucks, they musta been PLed!" No, actually - lots of players just suck.
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The problems you've described are identical to the problems I used to have... 4 years ago.
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This has been happening since I joined the game in I2 from people that have never been power leveled they do not understand game mechanics powers etc it is a large % of the population just shake your head and move on
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And this.
I know people IRL who have multiple toons that hit 50 years ago and leveled them without any PLing. They are a misery to play with because they refuse to learn how to play - basically if they're on your team you have to accept that they will die multiple times, and so will you if you're anywhere near them. Max level could be set in the thousands and there would still be endgame players who didn't understand exemplaring, merits, and TFs in general. The worst part about AE isn't the farming or the PLing, it's all the whining and misplaced blame that's sprung up around it. "This player sucks, they musta been PLed!" No, actually - lots of players just suck.
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Sounds like you are saying that if you arent PLed you suck. I can tell ya what. I never PLed my toons and I learned the hard way to play. I am very efficient with my playing and builds. I have been a gamer for longer than most here have been alive and I have a working brain (sometimes. Been so strung out I have been spacing out a lot from lack of sleep), so games arent that hard for me to figure out and find the best way to do something in them.
I believe if someone PLs a toon (AT) they never played before and PLed it to 50, they don't know how to play it. Reason I say that is cause I have seen it WAY to many times.
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What a load of stereotyping, discriminatory hogwash. Good job on generalizing RP'ers solely as cat girls and ERP'ers too.
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Actually I find some of the worst players have names like xxxfirekinxxx, cookie-cutter uber purpled-out builds, and a complete lack of understanding that not every mission in the game is [insert favorite farm mission here] and sometimes the one tactic you know will not work.
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This is way to damned true.
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I believe if someone PLs a toon (AT) they never played before and PLed it to 50, they don't know how to play it. Reason I say that is cause I have seen it WAY to many times.
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First toon I've PL'ed over a total of 2 days was a grav/kin troller during the last double exp weekend. Before then I had never ever played a troller before, only blasters. But I managed to adjust to the playstyle and be effective.
Second toon was an AR blaster using the AE. I've played blasters before but the powers were all new to me and I had to figure out what worked from the bottom up. I think I've done pretty well so far.
So no, I highly disagree that because someone gets to level 1 to 50 at a faster rate than traditionally so, he or she automatically does not know how to play their AT. That's hogwash. There's still plenty of opportunity and time to learn and master the AT.
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First toon I've PL'ed over a total of 2 days was a grav/kin troller during the last double exp weekend. Before then I had never ever played a troller before, only blasters. But I managed to adjust to the playstyle and be effective.
Second toon was an AR blaster using the AE. I've played blasters before but the powers were all new to me and I had to figure out what worked from the bottom up. I think I've done pretty well so far.
So no, I highly disagree that because someone gets to level 1 to 50 at a faster rate than traditionally so, he or she automatically does not know how to play their AT. That's hogwash. There's still plenty of opportunity and time to learn and master the AT.
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I think it might depend on the person. If someone has their wits about them and is a fast learner then there isnt a problem, if not well, there is a problem. I know game mechanics well enough I know I can play everything and be ok with it. Been here long enough to have tryed everything too at some point. But yeah, I guess it would depend on the person.
If it's a learning problem, then the player takes as much time as needed so that he or she can to better their skill with the AT in question. Some people don't catch on as quick as others I know.
But the most bothersome issue to me are attitude problems, like when players make an obvious mistake and don't admit to it even when common sense would tell them otherwise, then start to act all egoistically defensive and hostilities begin, amongst other problems with teammates not being part of the team with what they do.
I can remember this one tank running ahead of everyone just because he thinks he's a solo god, leaving the rest of us to fight all the way through. The best part was that he eventually screwed up without even getting past the 2nd mob he had engaged in combat, and faceplanted. Of course he didn't hosp. Nope. He stayed dead in the mission because he could still earn exp while the rest of the team was putting in effort to fight the mobs while he slept through it.
Satisfyingly though, he eventually got booted from the team for obvious exp padding.
Like what the others have said, these sort of things have been around way before i14 anyway. The AE and PL'ers in general are just easy scapegoats of blame when these problems aren't exclusive to them.
There are awful players.
Does it make sense that awful players would be drawn to something like power-leveling? I think so. After all, in being awful, wouldn't they have a hard time otherwise?
But not all awful players are power-leveled. Neither are all players with power-leveled characters awful. I think it makes sense to be cautious with a character that's obviously been PLed... but I also think no automatic assumptions should be made.
Over the years, I've strongly favored Controllers and Defenders. If I ever decided to PL one, I don't think I'd have any trouble at all playing it post-PL.
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Seems I'm having a different understanding of the term "Power-level". I always thought it meant someone who went on a levelling spree through huge experience payoffs and not someone who door-sits/pads while relying on someone else to earn the exp for him/her.
Door-sitters are the ones who are truely PLed if you ask me. At least you'd get some idea of how to play your toon if you helped during the farm.
Whenever I'm asked to PL someone, I'll invite them and then tell them to either help me with bosses if they're an offensive AT or keep me topped off on HP/Shielded/whatever if they're support. If they raise a fuss, I'll promptly kick them and tell them that they shouldn't be complaining if I'm sidekicking them and herding my missions with them.
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Door-sitters are the ones who are truely PLed if you ask me. At least you'd get some idea of how to play your toon if you helped during the farm.
Whenever I'm asked to PL someone, I'll invite them and then tell them to either help me with bosses if they're an offensive AT or keep me topped off on HP/Shielded/whatever if they're support. If they raise a fuss, I'll promptly kick them and tell them that they shouldn't be complaining if I'm sidekicking them and herding my missions with them.
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That first 2 lines is interesting, as I've yet to be on an AE team OR Farm where doorsitting was allowed.
Prior farming teams in PI, just about EVERY damn one allowed some doorsitting.
So I don't think the Anti-PL crowd gets what exactly happens in AE farms. At all.
EDIT: Last line not directed at you personally. It's directed at the anti-AE farming people I see posting.
Newsflash to them: The folks an AE farms/pls are ALMOST always fighting or they are kicked. Fighting a mob of ALL BOSSES at cap level (50+) requires the ENTIRE team (low level or not) to FIGHT.
It's NOT AT ALL the same thing as the PI farms where a fire kin or fire psi dom goes in and just destroys everything, with most (or usually ALL) of the team door/baby sitting at the entrance and twiddling their thumbs, cracking jokes. Those farms are NOT (I would argue are NEVER) lvl 54 bosses. Put a fire/kin or fire/psi dom on such a map and tell them to take it on solo and most would faceplant so fast, you'd get a great chance to laugh and point.
yes I know some are leet and can do it, yada yada yada. Sorry, but MOST single fire/kins or fire/psi doms (i'd say 99%) cannot.
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What a load of stereotyping, discriminatory hogwash. Good job on generalizing RP'ers solely as cat girls and ERP'ers too.
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I know quite well what happens in an AE farm. I've been on one, several due to the inability of the ones running the farm to properly articulate that they're farming bosses nine times out of ten. The problem isn't who is doing the work, it's that the bosses in question are almost always set up to deal as little damage as possible, while dozens of /FF lieutenants follow the team around with dispersion bubble on. I'm not particularly "anti-Farm", but I don't see how this sort of thing is enjoyable. I mean, we do play this game to enjoy it, right?
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I know quite well what happens in an AE farm. I've been on one, several due to the inability of the ones running the farm to properly articulate that they're farming bosses nine times out of ten. The problem isn't who is doing the work, it's that the bosses in question are almost always set up to deal as little damage as possible, while dozens of /FF lieutenants follow the team around with dispersion bubble on. I'm not particularly "anti-Farm", but I don't see how this sort of thing is enjoyable. I mean, we do play this game to enjoy it, right?
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Actually it's not so much about having farm mobs dealing as little damage as possible since the playerbase really have no control over that. The developers do. It's more about setting the mobs up to only dish out the most commonly resisted damage types such as smashing or lethal.
I personally have not been on a lot of allies heavy 52-54 farm missions. It is more common on lowbie farm missions since the characters aren't as decked out and could use the buffs. As for level 50 farming characters (especially the tankers/brutes doing the actual tanking/herding), their benefits are negligible and their presence only serves to generate graphical lag. More trouble than they're worth if you ask me. Of the half dozen or so farms that I consistant run, none of them includes buffing allies.
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...I mean, we do play this game to enjoy it, right?
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But that's exactly where the issues begin. The definition of fun for some is not the same for others. Some people will never have fun unless they can figure out and employ every technique (even the ones deemed as exploits by the Devs) to maximize something, may it be damage, soft-capping defenses and damage-resists or XP-gain.
The moment a tool that tells you how much XP you're making by the minute comes out, that's where these things start, and to be honest, in my transition phase from playing just single-player RPG's to playing MMO's as well, I became quite disgusted with the notion of "optimizing" my XP/l00t gain so my character would level-up and improve its stats faster. For me, enjoyment of CoX comes with enjoying the game mechanics and the gameplay differences in each AT/power-set combination, not at how fast I can level this, or that character... but as always... YMMV.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.