[ QUOTE ]
I used the search function to build my team. I found a few people that were looking for missions or TFs, and started with them. I figured they knew how to use search, so they can't be that bad and are at least interested in what i was planning to run. I think i found 2 ppl via bcast, and they turned out to be good players. So, 3/6 players i found in search, quit 45 mins the way through.
When building a team for a TF, you want to get started as quick as you can, knowing it can take a couple hours. Kinda hard to screen out the n00bs.
[/ QUOTE ]
_Inc_,
The problems you've described are identical to the problems I used to have... 4 years ago. 
MA has contributed to some annoying trends, but the trends are by no means new. The issues that are being attributed to MA are the same issues that caused me to stop joining PUGs long before MA ever existed. MA didn't create them. It's just adding to them. And, given that MA is a valid alternative to doing regular content, I think these particular pitfalls will continue to be more pronounced as time goes on.
So, I believe the best advice is to change the way you approach TFs. Post your intentions for a TF in advance on the server forum (or some other community forum). Join server-focused globals, where you can throw out invitations to participate. And only use the team search feature as a last resort.
This has worked very well for me over the years. 
The Cape Radio: You're not super until you put on the Cape!
DJ Enigma's Puzzle Factory: Co* Parody Commercials
You are very right, anytime I have run TF's where they were planned in advanced ran smoothly. It was a spur of the moment thing. Only reason i brought up MA was because these people specifically mentioned after about 30 minutes that's what they had been doing the whole time. All in all, we got the TF done, so no complaint there. I was just surprised to actually see the stereotypical n00b that pled with no knowledge of the game. People say it all the time, and its not the first post about such behavior. It is just the first time that ever happened to me, especially because i have Pled often in my tenure.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
-Inc
[/ QUOTE ]
We have been seeing this for long before MA was even announced. It isnt anything new.
[/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ]
...
_Inc_,
The problems you've described are identical to the problems I used to have... 4 years ago. ...
[/ QUOTE ]
Listen to these people.
They are right.
.
more than just a couple of times,
years ago,
I have duo'd or soloed, a Posi TF to the end.
A third of the team would quit after the first mish, and then another here or there,
till the team was down to one or two. . . . years ago.
.
New n00bs?
MA n00bs?
.
Nope.
Nothing new to see here.
Same old thing.
.
Don't try to blame the same old **** on your new pet dislikes.
Just the same old, same old here.
.
Some of you aren't reading the posts. The people i'm complaining about admitted their gaming experience consisted of AE after they started whining they weren't getting XP on a TF they exemplared for. Furthermore they did not know what merits were, only tickets.
My posts are only a reflection on my experience, and just raising a question that it be cool if ppl who run AE for personal gain be a little more conscientious of who they bring.
This thread isn't about how to correctly form a team or a TF.
[ QUOTE ]
Some of you aren't reading the posts. The people i'm complaining about admitted their gaming experience consisted of AE after they started whining they weren't getting XP on a TF they exemplared for. Furthermore they did not know what merits were, only tickets....
[/ QUOTE ]
and yet,
except for the fact that merits didn't exist 4 years ago,
The behaviors you describe, really ARE like those behaviors that we described on TFs 4 years ago.
Still the same.
.
[ QUOTE ]
But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
-Inc
[/ QUOTE ]
This has been happening since I joined the game in I2 from people that have never been power leveled they do not understand game mechanics powers etc it is a large % of the population just shake your head and move on
Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
But i think all the AE farming really is making really bad players for the other content.
Don't get me wrong. I love PLing, farming, and IO'ing out my characters. I don't RP, i don't like telling anyone how to play there game. I just thought id say maybe those of us farmers out there can take a little more care in who we invite to our teams.
Last night i did a synapse TF on Freedom. A pretty well rounded team, balanced, and pretty fluent in terms of moving along at a good pace. Well, 8 people started, only 5 finished. We went down to 5 after about 45 mins. Players that were invited to a TF, who knew there were being invited to a TF that were going to be exemplared down to level 20, had no idea why they were getting no XP, and didn't even know the benefit of the task force commander accolade and 50 or so merits you get upon completion.
It's unbelievable what people get themselves into, with no regard for the team or task at hand.
I hate to blame AE, but it's hard not too.
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
-Inc
[/ QUOTE ]
We have been seeing this for long before MA was even announced. It isnt anything new.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, before MA people was stuck in PI. A few times I got sick of hearing in BC how do you get out of PI. I said a few times, go to the island to the northwest.
[/ QUOTE ]
I know people that have been actively playing for 4+ years and cant play worth a damn. Not pl'd. No farming. Lots of hot cat girl ERP. RPers seem to be the players that cant figure how to play.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
Cthulhu loves you, better start running
I�! I�! Gg�gorsch�a�bha egurtsa�ar�ug d� Dalhor! Cthluhu fthagn! Cthluhu fthagn!
You are in a maze of twisty little passages
[ QUOTE ]
The people i'm complaining about admitted their gaming experience consisted of AE after they started whining they weren't getting XP on a TF they exemplared for. Furthermore they did not know what merits were, only tickets.
[/ QUOTE ]
Right, but what I'm saying (and others are saying, I think) is that you'd have these same people being just as clueless, even if MA didn't exist. It isn't an MA/EA phenomenon. All MA has done is exacerbate the issue. And I'm not even sure about that (though I find it very likely).
Also, a player doesn't have to be PLed to come out of MA clueless. If MA is all they've done--which is certainly an option--they're going to be ignorant about a lot of things outside of MA. This is why I think we're going to be seeing more of this 'n00b' problem over time.
So, yah, I understand what you're asking. I'm just pointing out that, even if a number of people took your request to heart, we're still going to have this issue, and it's still going to be more prevalent in the future. 'Cuz the clueless aren't limited to MA, or even to power-leveling in MA.
We're just going to have to adapt to it.
The Cape Radio: You're not super until you put on the Cape!
DJ Enigma's Puzzle Factory: Co* Parody Commercials
I do see your point. Bad players will always just be bad players. However, it is so incredibly easy to gain levels using MA, i don't think its far off to say that many of these n00bs before MA may now have higher level characters because of it, which in turn gives them more powers at their disposal, making them look even worse than ever. You guys are right, many of these people would be just as bad without MA, but now we just have more of the idiots with access to higher level content. Of course a lot of them had that access anyway. Either way, ill just have to be more careful who i team with. That's all.
You know the saying about teaching people to fish, eh?
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
I thought they block Farming???
Power is unless without the will to use it,
But will in nothing unless you believe in yourself.
And that is ture power!
Written by-Mr Amazing
You can't block farming. You can only improve your damage-control exploit-counter-measure practices.... hopefully.
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Save Ms. Liberty (#5349) � Augmenting Peacebringers � The Umbra Illuminati
Once again I find it very interesting that individuals refuse to follow Mod08's request related to ALL of these farm related issues whatever they are disguised as.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
[ QUOTE ]
Once again I find it very interesting that individuals refuse to follow Mod08's request related to ALL of these farm related issues whatever they are disguised as.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...&fpart=303
[/ QUOTE ]
you realize that link brings up a 404 error right? 
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Fixed it tyvm.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
[ QUOTE ]
Once again I find it very interesting that individuals refuse to follow Mod08's request related to ALL of these farm related issues whatever they are disguised as.
Fixed it tyvm.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
[/ QUOTE ]
And you realize by participating in this thread about 4 times, you're doing the exact same thing?
Also, this has more to do with how Noobish people are gaining tons of levels in AE and don't know how to play the rest of the game. So, it probably isn't all farming anyway.
Also, Moderator 8 edited someones post in this thread, thus has probably read all of it. I'm sure the entire thing would have been locked or moved by now. Thank you for your participation and insight. If you are truly not interested in what is being discussed here, you can very simply ignore the thread, or just report it. Whatever floats your boat man.
You were correct here. Sorry.
[ QUOTE ]
You guys are right, many of these people would be just as bad without MA, but now we just have more of the idiots with access to higher level content. Of course a lot of them had that access anyway. Either way, ill just have to be more careful who i team with. That's all.
[/ QUOTE ]
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
[ QUOTE ]
So, all i am saying is....don't pl with the n00bs, they are probably leaching in your farms anyway.
[/ QUOTE ]
I've been noticing it too, so I've stoped joining random AE farms in atlas, and running my own, and charging anyone who wants to join 2mil inf. I'll just do it this way, play with people I know, or solo when it comes to farming AE.
I've played a new character for the first time, and tried to PL him through normal AE farms broadcasting in Atlas. It was actually slower gaining levels than playing through normal content just because of all the really dumb farms. You really need someone who knows what they are doing when it comes to farming AE.
So charging 2mil influence to run on my farm teams will weed out all the new players who don't know what they are doing, and they can sit and do nothing, or help fight. If my toon sneezes, he drops 2mil influence, so I figure it's a low enough price people won't mind paying who know how to gain influence, and I'm pretty good at smashing through large groups solo.
I charge them 10 mil and oddly never get any takers on that. I figure if you are gonna leach you better make it worth my while.
And Darth, once you get that Moderator job I will take you off ignore. Until then. I will enjoy the silence.
Okies, but it never ceases to amaze me when someone tells you they are putting you on ignore as if the world or I cared one bit.
No need to draw attention to yourself as if your ignoring me had any bearing on anything outside of that pin sticking out of your neck.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
[ QUOTE ]
No need to draw attention to yourself as if your ignoring me had any bearing on anything outside of that pin sticking out of your neck.
[/ QUOTE ]
2. Abuse and disrespectful behavior are not tolerated.
The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, conflicts may arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. Debating the opinion is appropriate, however criticism against the originator of the opinion is not allowed. Disrespect can be construed as flaming, trolling, harassing, profanity, abusive language or abbreviations, personal attacks, racial, religious, ethnic, sexual slurs, or similar behavior/language.
This applies to both public threads and private messages.
* Flaming is defined as posts which are designed to personally berate or insult another.
* Trolling is defined as deliberately posting derogatory, inflammatory comments/threads in order to bait other users into responding. Trolling or accusing someone of being a troll is also a form of trolling and is not permitted.
* Posts similar to Moderator Notified or Needs thread lock are discouraged, as these types of posts are a form of trolling. If a thread is in violation of the forum rules, use the notify moderator button or PM a moderator directly.
* Personal attacks include, but are not limited to insulting a poster directly:
[ QUOTE ]
Well.. bad players are bad
No matter how they got their levels
These posts (just as a "Lets all go Farm" post) just add to the Bonfire.
Let's see what Positron is going to do first and worry afterwards, when all suggestions can be of the
- Please lessen nerf for _us_
category, which is a much nicer way to go about it.
[/ QUOTE ]
That's a bit judgemental. Bad, inexperienced players can be molded into good players by the right relationships ingame (such as an sg that teaches).
But I also agree with the original poster. There are far too many players now that are weeks into the game with 50s...and they don't understand the game at all. And whenever you get sg recruits these days, no matter their level, most of the time all you hear is "can someone help me level?"
So much good content being missed. And going through it makes good players most of the time.
On the other hand, it's also nice to know I don't have to grind to get my levels on my 5th tank because of the lack of options in archetypes.
Especially when I have all the other ATs on various servers.
[ QUOTE ]
Once again I find it very interesting that individuals refuse to follow Mod08's request related to ALL of these farm related issues whatever they are disguised as.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=1
[/ QUOTE ]
First of all, there is *no* farm related issue. It's all a bunch of croc manufactured by some over-zealous players and developers. People have been crying about farming since what, Ultima Online? Yet how many MMO have really been brough down by the proliferation of farming? I can name more MMOs brought down by poor game design or content than by farming.
Secondly, I and anyone else can post their farm related issues anywhere on this forum as they please. That "official" farming thread is nothing short of a 300+ pages long joke. It's little more than a black whole which individual posts will just get swallowed up and disappear. I suspect that was the reason why such a thread was created in the first place. Too bad, I'm not going to be a shill participating in that preposterous game.
Everyone was once new to this game, the difference is, we took months to learn our characters and many respecs fixing them. We also took criticism and read forums to make our characters better for ourselves and the people we play with. When these AE n00bs ruin the game or TFs for everyone else because they PL up to 50 in 1 week, its not fair on the other 7 people who just wasted the 15 to 30 minutes having to find out the hard way theyre clueless . You then have to boot them and restart the TF ( if his class was vital like tank ) and re-advertize for a replacement. You might be saying you should checked before it started . Well that really doesnt work to well for things like ITF and LGTF if he/she is a Hero and you are Villain.
P.S. This has happened twice in 2 days to us.
[ QUOTE ]
It's very easy to see who is a noob BEFORE you invite them to a team.
Either you check before you invite them, only team with friends and sg mates, or you leave yourself susceptible to noobs. This was true before the AE as well.
[/ QUOTE ]
Well, that is not necessarily true. I don't know that many players on Freedom. I filled all my slots on another server and moved to Freedom only about a month ago. I used the search function to build my team. I found a few people that were looking for missions or TFs, and started with them. I figured they knew how to use search, so they can't be that bad and are at least interested in what i was planning to run. I think i found 2 ppl via bcast, and they turned out to be good players. So, 3/6 players i found in search, quit 45 mins the way through.
When building a team for a TF, you want to get started as quick as you can, knowing it can take a couple hours. Kinda hard to screen out the n00bs. However, i will agree you'll find out fast (first mission) how its going to go with them.