Any punishments of purchasing from RMT?

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It's not the time, it's what you're doing. Why is that so hard to grasp? You cannot sell a unit of measurement.

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Time isn't a unit of measurement. It's an abstract noun. Minutes, hours, days months and years are units of measurement that measure time. Just like acres and hectares measure land. Time is very sellable. TV and Radio stations sell time on their station to advertise whatever the buyer wants.

When I'm bartending I'm not getting tipped based on the amount of time one of my bar guests sits there. I'm making money off the service and drink prices.

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if you read what I said, you would see that I am not accusing them of being in cahoots (although it would not surprise me one bit) however, they do profit (with extended subscriptions)


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You have absolutely zero evidence that RMT causes people to stay subscribed longer... I find it far more likely that immediate gratification makes for LESS longevity on accounts more often.

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I disagree, we live in the new "instant gratification" generation, and if they cannot get it right away they'll leave for something else, so even if it's only an extra month, it's an extra month worth of subscription fee.

Folks who will stay and work out it, will stay, those who would get frustrated and leave without being able to get their quick fix would leave, but those folks can get what they want and might stay longer then before.

So again, I stand by what I said. I understand that it might not motivate you into staying, but I am sure it does others.

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It's not the time, it's what you're doing.

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No. It is NOT. You're NOT getting paid to sit there and twiddle your thumbs. You're being paid for the time that's being wasted by others.

If you were being paid for what you were doing, or being paid for what you WERE going to do, you'd be paid a FLAT FEE.

But for waiting (not shutting down), you're paid on an hourly scale.

You're wrong. Please just man up and admit it.

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If I'm sitting waiting on the load, I'm not getting paid.

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Then you're either not working for the right company or not taking the kinds of loads I'm familiar with.

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That is not a "time" job.

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Depends on a lot of things. If it's OTR (over the road) or local. A lot of local route drivers get paid hourly scale.

Also, in some of the cases I'm familiar with, OTR drivers made to wait a certain time on the docks at a shipper get paid hourly scale for the time they're made to wait.

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It's not the time, it's what you're doing. Why is that so hard to grasp? You cannot sell a unit of measurement.

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Time isn't a unit of measurement. It's an abstract noun. Minutes, hours, days months and years are units of measurement that measure time. Just like acres and hectares measure land. Time is very sellable. TV and Radio stations sell time on their station to advertise whatever the buyer wants.

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No, they're not selling time. They're selling the service of broadcasting those ads. And time is measurement, minutes, etc are just sub-categories. Time is to minutes as distance is to miles.

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It's not the time, it's what you're doing.

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No. It is NOT. You're NOT getting paid to sit there and twiddle your thumbs. You're being paid for the time that's being wasted by others.

If you were being paid for what you were doing, or being paid for what you WERE going to do, you'd be paid a FLAT FEE.

But for waiting (not shutting down), you're paid on an hourly scale.

You're wrong. Please just man up and admit it.

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You're getting paid to BE THERE. To BE AVAILABLE for x amount of time. That's a service. That service is what you're being paid for. Not the time itself. Time cannot be sold. Period. Because it is a measurement, not a commodity.

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If I'm sitting waiting on the load, I'm not getting paid.

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Then you're either not working for the right company or not taking the kinds of loads I'm familiar with.

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It's the industry norm. So sorry I actually know what I'm talking about and can call you on your BS. But I would think you would have known that when I said I worked in the industry. Obviously I overestimated your intelligence.

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So sorry I actually know what I'm talking about and can call you on your BS.

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It's not BS. If you want to be insulting, please take it elsewhere.

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Obviously I overestimated your intelligence.

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And I obviously overestimated your ability to hold up an argument before reverting to ad hominem.

I will state it thus. You work in a manual labor job. So you're focused on action. This is probably why it's so hard for you to wrap your head around it.

I work in a services industry. All my billing is time-based. And I get paid regardless of whether or not I do work. I merely show up and the clock starts.

When I bill, I don't bill for "clicked a key", or "plugged in a network cable".

I bill X number of hours. Whether I did anything or nothing during that time is irrelevant to the bill.

Thus, if I put together a network of 75 computers in 16 hours for Company A, and put together an identical network of 75 computers in 18 hours for Company B, they don't get billed the same.

They get billed for TIME SPENT.

In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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Time isn't a unit of measurement. It's an abstract noun. Minutes, hours, days months and years are units of measurement that measure time. Just like acres and hectares measure land. Time is very sellable. TV and Radio stations sell time on their station to advertise whatever the buyer wants.

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No, they're not selling time. They're selling the service of broadcasting those ads. And time is measurement, minutes, etc are just sub-categories. Time is to minutes as distance is to miles.

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They're selling the service of broadcasting the ads. The fee they charge is based on the DURATION of the ads; i.e. how much TIME it takes to broadcast them. Price are often stated in terms such as "30 seconds during half-time".

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In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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FYI, you're not the only one who thinks he's 1) splitting semantic hairs, and 2) wrong.

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No. It is NOT. You're NOT getting paid to sit there and twiddle your thumbs. You're being paid for the time that's being wasted by others.

If you were being paid for what you were doing, or being paid for what you WERE going to do, you'd be paid a FLAT FEE.

But for waiting (not shutting down), you're paid on an hourly scale.

You're wrong. Please just man up and admit it.

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This is how I would interpret it also.

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Yep. They'll wail on you with the Ban Hammah.


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... and as true as this is, I can't help but chuckle at the image of someone being beat up with a rabbi.

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You owe me a glass of ice water and a new monitor sir.

I understand his point of view. It's very nice and very blue-collar.

Unfortunately, outside of various manufacturing industries, his example breaks down rapidly. And once you hit full on "services" industries, it's nonexistant.

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So sorry I actually know what I'm talking about and can call you on your BS.

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It's not BS. If you want to be insulting, please take it elsewhere.

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Claiming something that I happen to know is patently false is BS. You may know some truckers that get paid to wait on loads, but I assure you that it is far from the norm in the industry.\

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They get billed for TIME SPENT.

In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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They get billed for services rendered during the time, not the time itself. Good god, man. TIME IS NOT AN OBJECT THAT CAN BE SOLD! The time is not what is being sold, it is measuring the service.

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Time isn't a unit of measurement. It's an abstract noun. Minutes, hours, days months and years are units of measurement that measure time. Just like acres and hectares measure land. Time is very sellable. TV and Radio stations sell time on their station to advertise whatever the buyer wants.

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No, they're not selling time. They're selling the service of broadcasting those ads. And time is measurement, minutes, etc are just sub-categories. Time is to minutes as distance is to miles.

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They're selling the service of broadcasting the ads. The fee they charge is based on the DURATION of the ads; i.e. how much TIME it takes to broadcast them. Price are often stated in terms such as "30 seconds during half-time".

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Exactly. That's not the time being sold, though. The time is just measuring the service. Just like a pound is measuring the hamburger I buy at the store or a mile is measuring my driving for work.

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In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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FYI, you're not the only one who thinks he's 1) splitting semantic hairs, and 2) wrong.

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Well, I guess there are more idiots than him out there that don't understand the simple concept of what "time" is. Seriously, go run down to the store and buy me a minute. Buy me a mile and a pound while you're at it.

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I understand his point of view. It's very nice and very blue-collar.

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"Blue-collar"? Is that what they call understanding the meanings of words these days? Strange...

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In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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FYI, you're not the only one who thinks he's 1) splitting semantic hairs, and 2) wrong.

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Well, I guess there are more idiots than him out there that don't understand the simple concept of what "time" is. Seriously, go run down to the store and buy me a minute. Buy me a mile and a pound while you're at it.

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You make me so MAD! There is no way that I'm going to go all the way to the store to buy you minutes when you have plenty of unused minutes sitting at home!

Eh, sorry if I seem overly aggressive, but it does grate on the nerves when someone is so smug when they're so grossly wrong...

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In short. You're wrong. PERIOD.

Now go be insulting to someone who gives a damn about your opinion.

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FYI, you're not the only one who thinks he's 1) splitting semantic hairs, and 2) wrong.

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Well, I guess there are more idiots than him out there that don't understand the simple concept of what "time" is. Seriously, go run down to the store and buy me a minute. Buy me a mile and a pound while you're at it.

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You make me so MAD! There is no way that I'm going to go all the way to the store to buy you minutes when you have plenty of unused minutes sitting at home!

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No. It is NOT. You're NOT getting paid to sit there and twiddle your thumbs. You're being paid for the time that's being wasted by others.

If you were being paid for what you were doing, or being paid for what you WERE going to do, you'd be paid a FLAT FEE.

But for waiting (not shutting down), you're paid on an hourly scale.

You're wrong. Please just man up and admit it.

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This is how I would interpret it also.

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Then you'd interpret it wrong. Time is used to measure the service he's providing on his job, just as miles are used to measure the service I provide on mine.

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Time has several definitions. You can buy time, spend time, serve time, keep time, share time, have a good time.

What time is it? Time to let it go already. lol

Hey, Hyper's the one that started basically insulting my intelligence over the matter. No, he wasn't the first to openly use insult words, but that doesn't make his "tone" any less insulting.

And, no, you can't buy time or sell it.

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And, no, you can't buy time or sell it.

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Buy time: To increase the time available for a specific purpose.

If you buy inf/power-leveling, that's less time you have to spend getting it yourself, and gives you more time to do whatever you want to instead.

Whether or not "time" is an object that can physically exchange hands is beside the point. It's a figure of speech. People refer to their services as time. You buy their service, you buy their time. It goes hand in hand.


Even as a measurement, time is a major factor when it comes to pricing.
To use the hamburger analogy:
If I buy 1 pound of hamburger, I pay a certain price.
If I buy 2 pounds of hamburger, I pay twice as much.
It's the measurement that ultimately decides what the price is.
Same goes for the number of miles driven in the other analogy.


As an hourly employee:
If I work 8 hours on Monday and get all my tasks completed, I get paid for 8 hours.
If I work 8 hours on Tuesday and get done with all my tasks early, and help somebody else complete theirs, I still get paid for 8 hours. The associate I helped get's paid the same 8 hours.
If I work 8 hours on Wednesday and don't get all my tasks completed, I might get in trouble, but I still get paid the same 8 hours.

In this case, I am paid for my time spent, not the specific work I do. If I don't actually work during the time I am being paid for, I'd be "stealing time". If I got paid for my specific service, I'd have been paid more on Tuesday, which isn't the case.


As a contractor:
I'm given a task to do, and a timeframe in which to complete it.

In this case, the price of the service is based upon the materials needed to perform the job, and the time needed to complete it. Time is important, and certainly a factor when it comes to "labor" pricing. The harder a job, and the longer it may take, the more expensive the job may be.
If I don't have time to perform the task, the task does not get done, and I do not get paid.


Prices of a service might not be specifically for one's time, but time is part of the price somewhere.
Time is relative, and so is the "value" of it.

Time...

...'s up
...flies
...bandits
...wounds all heels

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