Any punishments of purchasing from RMT?

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RED LETTTERS!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Unfortunately, they jump out just as much as typing in CAPS. That stupid red highlight screams out to my conditioned brain to click it every time I log in.

I had emailed support on the issue and after telling them I was going to ignore emails and stop reporting spammers they said it was the same thing as having the option to turn off email. I said not it is not, so I asked them for a way to turn off the red highlight and suppress the email System messages. They said they would pass on the suggestion to the development team.

They had originally mentioned some changes were coming to the system but did not specify if to email, chat, etc. Nor did they mention what type of changes. Do we get a filter such as a buddy list and all other emails are ignored? I don't know so I am hoping my inbox will "fill up" at some point because I am not sending the message I want to the RMTers. That message is "You've been targeting me since Issue 9, your marketing sucks because all you are doing is pissing me off. Please take me off your distribution lists because I am not a customer. And I am not a POTENTIAL customer either". I was hoping an option to turn off email would let me send the core of that message but I will have to use a different tactic now.

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Eh, sorry if I seem overly aggressive, but it does grate on the nerves when someone is so smug when they're so grossly wrong...

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Really? It doesn't grate on me when you do it.

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Claiming something that I happen to know is patently false is BS.

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Simply because you haven't encountered it doesn't make it false.

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You may know some truckers that get paid to wait on loads, but I assure you that it is far from the norm in the industry.\

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Which is the same as saying that you haven't encountered it.

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They get billed for services rendered during the time, not the time itself.

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Thumb Twiddle 1: $0.01
Thumb Twiddle 2: $0.01
Thumb Twiddle 3: $0.01

Sorry. You're incorrect.

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Good god, man. TIME IS NOT AN OBJECT THAT CAN BE SOLD!

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You're half-right. Time is not an object.

It's a commodity.

As such, it can be quantified and billed for. Again, your work experience is very nice and product-oriented. But it's led you to erroneous conclusions for professions outside of your experience.

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You seem to have confused your strength of conviction with your strength of argument.

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Hey, Hyper's the one that started basically insulting my intelligence over the matter.

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Ah. So disagreeing with you is insulting your intelligence.

*rolleyes*

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No, he wasn't the first to openly use insult words, but that doesn't make his "tone" any less insulting.

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Translation: You imagined an insult.

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Claiming something that I happen to know is patently false is BS.

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Simply because you haven't encountered it doesn't make it false.

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You may know some truckers that get paid to wait on loads, but I assure you that it is far from the norm in the industry.\

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Which is the same as saying that you haven't encountered it.

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You claimed that it was the norm ( Not in those exact words, but the claim was still there ). I'm not saying it isn't true just because I haven't encountered it. I'm saying it is a very rare exception to the norm.

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They get billed for services rendered during the time, not the time itself.

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Thumb Twiddle 1: $0.01
Thumb Twiddle 2: $0.01
Thumb Twiddle 3: $0.01

Sorry. You're incorrect.

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Your presence and availability are the service. Certainly there are things you'd rather be doing during that time... You're not there for the purpose of twiddling your thumbs. ( But, if you were, that would be the service )

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Good god, man. TIME IS NOT AN OBJECT THAT CAN BE SOLD!

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You're half-right. Time is not an object.

It's a commodity.

As such, it can be quantified and billed for. Again, your work experience is very nice and product-oriented. But it's led you to erroneous conclusions for professions outside of your experience.

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If you were selling your time, you wouldn't be bound to be available, perform a service, or whatever during that time. Time is the measurement being used to quantify the service you've been contracted for, even if that service is simply being present and available to work whether you actually end up working or not.

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Sorry, the "selling my time spent getting it" is BS. Time is not a marketable commodity. It is a unit of measurement.

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Tell that to everyone who gets paid by the hour. Time = $, even in this crappy economy.

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Two words: CONTRACT LAW. The EULA -IS- a legally binding contract.

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No it isn't. There are efforts to treat EULAs as if they were legally binding, but that hadn't happened yet.

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Sorry, the "selling my time spent getting it" is BS. Time is not a marketable commodity. It is a unit of measurement.

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Tell that to everyone who gets paid by the hour. Time = $, even in this crappy economy.

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We've been over that in this thread already. The employer isn't buying your time, they're buying the services you perform during that time. Even if the service is simply being present and available.

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You claimed that it was the norm ( Not in those exact words, but the claim was still there ).

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Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

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I'm saying it is a very rare exception to the norm.

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Again, I never claimed it was the norm. Merely what I'd encountered in the limited experience I have and a small amount of exposure to truck drivers.

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Your presence and availability are the service.

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Yep. For which I bill on a scale based on TIME. I don't bill:

Showed up: $10
Sat down: $2
Talked about stuff: $3

I understand what you're trying to say. You're just splitting those hairs along atomic bonds.

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If you were selling your time, you wouldn't be bound to be available

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WRONG!

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perform a service

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Now you're getting it. Unlike you, I bill out SOLELY based on time. Not per-piece, not per-service. TIME.

If I come in and rebuild someone's network from the ground up, I get paid for the amount of time I spend.

If I come in and pick my nose for the same amount of time, I get paid the same amount.

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even if that service is simply being present and available to work whether you actually end up working or not.

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Again, the the service is still time-based. I am paid for X hours of time spent.

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We've been over that in this thread already. The employer isn't buying your time, they're buying the services you perform during that time. Even if the service is simply being present and available.

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They want the service, they pay for my time to perform such a service. I am paid no matter if I provide the service or not so its not the service in and of itself that is being paid for.

Time is a commodity in that it can be marketed and sold. Time has a value as a component of a market transaction.
Say I am living in northern california and I want to get a transcript from a college in san diego. I can spend 42 cents and mail the request, or I can go to kinkos or other similar place and spend $2 or so sending the request page.

In terms of cost to transmit I would wager that the cost of the fax, including labor on the colleges side to take the fax from the machine, is on par or maybe even cheaper than the 42 cent stamp. So if the service is about the same why am I paying 1.58 more to fax? that is a cost of time. I am paying to cut a week off of transit time so that the request can be processed that much faster.

If I pay for express shipping, the same amount of labor and skill is used to get my package from point A to point B but I pay extra to get it there faster, I pay for that time.

If I am a freelance designer, it takes me say 5 hours to design a simple logo, and my typical turn around time is a week. If a customer wants they can pay me more and I will get it done faster. The logo is still designed in 5 hours, but because the customer paid more for the time I can get it out in a day rather than a week.

People pay for time. People also pay for the service and skill. Service and skill are non physical commodities just like time. Service doesn't weigh anything, skill doesn't weigh anything. A machine operated by a highly skilled operator weighs the same as the same machine operated by a novice.
The reason why people value higher skills is not just because the product is superior, its also because it can be done faster. Someone who has never built a computer before is going to take much longer to build their first computer as opposed to someone who has built hundreds.


in short darktyger you are wrong. Time is a marketable commodity. Time can have a value placed on it. All you are doing is playing semantics games and obviously have no real idea of how markets work.

*Hands Bureaucrat a monolith and a "bang head here" poster*

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*Hands Bureaucrat a monolith and a "bang head here" poster*

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I am a bureaucrat.
I have my own.

Thank you though.

There is NO chance that real life marketers will rip you off. They are rock solid and dependable, and always there when you need them.

That's why if you put them on ignore, you will never get another spam message while you play CoH. Each has one and only one account, which never varies.

For even faster service, you can post your credit card number here, along with your social security number, your birthdate, your phone number and your street address.

Good luck to you.

Note: I'm not saying that RMT'ers are not bad or a ripoff, or dangerous.

What we went off on a tangent with was the notion of if you're actually paying for the inf itself, or the time spent collecting the inf.

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