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They've been wanting to do it for a LOT LONGER than 06/07, anyway. There are mentions from Statesman and others back in beta and soon after post-release talking about "pie in the sky" wishes, including side switching and other things that have been implemented, or have been hinted at being implemented in the future.
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For some time now (a year? something like that), anyone purchasing JUST CoH or JUST CoV still got access to both sides of the game. So even if GR was a standalone product, granting access to both sides wouldn't be any different from the CoH, CoH:CE, CoV, CoV:CE, GvE, CoHMSE, or CoH:AE versions of the game available now, as far as access to the game goes.
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If that's true I must have missed the announcement. I remember being told that anyone who had heroes or villains would be granted access to both sides, but it was stated that it was a one time grant and not an ongoing policy. Last I heard anyone buying heroes or villains only was still stuck with access to just the side they purchased. If that's changed I'd like to know about it. Not that it would affect me either way but I am curious.
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I'm going to call Praetoria purpleside from now on...sounds so much better than "grayside", lol.
The Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols are powersets confirmed for Going Rogue, not ATs in themselves...no one's said anything about ATs, but there's plenty of speculation about whether or not there will be more powersets besides those two.
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If that's true I must have missed the announcement. I remember being told that anyone who had heroes or villains would be granted access to both sides, but it was stated that it was a one time grant and not an ongoing policy.
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Originally, it *was* a one-time grant, and it happened when NCSoft wholly acquired CoH from Cryptic. It was changed at some point after that, and I'm looking for the official word on that.
Leech, Zek, or Agge, feel free to beat me to it if you like. 
EDIT: Looking at either the "plain" CoH or CoV at the NCSoft store, you can see that you'll get access to the "other" side by purchasing one of them.
EDIT2: Here's a Massively article from July last year detailing the full access, several months after the aforementioned "one-time grant." Now that I know about when the change happened I should be able to find the official announcement here on the forums. 
EDIT3: Yep, Here it is... Lighthouse's announcement on 7/16/08: "Additionally, all City of Heroes and City of Villains games for sale at retail or online will grant access to both games."
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Well to be fair to that, people have been asking for side-switching since COV came out. But that doesn't mean that they had been devoting much thought to *how* that could be done at that time. I imagine it would be kind of hard on the group that was left at that point, "well, we can back burner all this stuff, ... someone write this down. some day. some day we will get to it." I'm just glad that they have enough man and woman power to GET to things now.
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Interestingly, in CoV Beta one of the Devs (maybe Positron? can't remember the exact one) Did post outlining their basic plans for how side switching would eventually work. The whole path to switching would come from a 'Moment of descision', where your character would decide whether or not to kill a Rogue Longbow agent. If a Hero decide to kill them, they would turn to the red side. Whereas a Villain who let them live would have a chance to become a hero.
Something close to that anyway.
Of course, I am sure that plan has nothing to do with Going Rogue, it was such a long time ago. (Posi also outlined his idea for personal Nemeses through a clue system, which would allow people to craft their Nemesis from various bits of info they found.) But they did have plans for it, even back then.
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I assume the Going Rogue boxed expansion may well be like Architect Edition in that it comes with the original game as well, so new players only have to buy one box, and others can get a fully updated version of the game discs to save reinstalling or a long download.
This is entirely guesswork.
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While it's true much of our knowledge about Going Rogue is currently just speculation we do have a few facts.
Almost a year ago back in August 2008 the game Devs organized a marketing survey which detailed two major areas of (what was then) future development. These were the Mission Architect and Going Rogue expansion.
Now when you review what was said about the Mission Architect at the time we see that the survey was remarkably predictive of what finally became reality. Because of this accuracy there's no real reason to think that what this survey describes for the Going Rogue expansion is going to be any less accurate. Now I certainly can't promise or assume everything Going Rogue related in the survey -will- happen. But again it's probably going to prove to be a good indicator of what to expect.
Also while it might be hard to prove the "Devs have been working on Going Rogue since 2006/7" theory it seems to be a reasonable guess given how detailed the marketing survey was about the various features. Clearly the Devs have been working on it for a serious amount of time prior to August 2008 at any rate. This is why I believe the related theory that Going Rogue will be Issue 16 is also a reasonable one at this point.
Obviously 20/20 hindsight will put all this speculation to rest.
But I suspect we actually know quite a bit more about this expansion than we generally realize. 
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Please note this is all just speculation, just my 2 cents on this.
My impression from the press releases so far is that no new archtypes have been implied. I honestly don't see side switching lends itself to introducing new archtypes. Its possible, yes, and welcome, and only the red-names know for sure, but side switching to me sounds like the existing hero archtypes will be able to travel to the Rogue Isles and the existing villain archtypes will be able to travel to Paragon City. New powersets (dual pistols, demon summoning, I hope more) sound like a pretty safe bet at this point from the information released and hinted at by the devs at this point.
The mechanics also sounds like we are finally getting some branching story arcs coming our way where the outcome of the mission actually makes a difference now. It sounds like depending on how you complete/fail missions it will make you more heroic or evil, thus directing where you can go (Paragon or Rogue Isles). My guess is the branching missions that do this will exist in the new zone(s) of Praetoria and when you exit you'll get access to one or the other depending on your current moral compass.
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No new archtypes. New powersets. Existing ATs can switch to other sides. New zone(s). New zones have branching story arcs where the chosen route determines which side you can exit the new zones into.
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I assume the Going Rogue boxed expansion may well be like Architect Edition in that it comes with the original game as well, so new players only have to buy one box, and others can get a fully updated version of the game discs to save reinstalling or a long download.
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The AE edition IS the game. There aren't multiple versions of the game. Going Rogue will likely come with a disk with the latest build of the game client on it, but the clients among everyone will have to be the same. Otherwise people who don't buy the new expansion won't be able to see everything that the new expansion has like new powersets and such. When you buy a super booster or the GvE version and apply the code, you don't download the new content into your client. When they put it in the game everyone gets the needed information into their client. If you did, you wouldn't be able to see anyone else with the new costume pieces before you do. People that don't have the Valkyrie costumes unlocked for their characters can still see other people's costumes with it.
In the end everyone will have identical clients, just their ACCOUNTS will have a flag on it which will indicate what content that player has access to.
I don't think we'll get new ATs either, but I do wonder about AT naming. I sorta suspect there might be a change in at least some AT descriptors upon sideswitching.
Likely candidates: Dominators and Corruptors, possibly masterminds and defenders.
Based on the info implied in the infamous Market Survey it's pretty clear the Devs have been considering a "Spy" AT for Going Rogue which could prove to be some kind of epic sideswitching AT similar to Kheldians and/or the VEATs. Regardless of the details I think it's at least reasonable to be open to possibility that there -could- be some kind of new AT associated with Going Rogue.
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I assume the Going Rogue boxed expansion may well be like Architect Edition in that it comes with the original game as well, so new players only have to buy one box, and others can get a fully updated version of the game discs to save reinstalling or a long download.
This is entirely guesswork.
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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Oh! Oh! Can I guess about the presumptive Spy AT powersets?
How about.... All primaries across all AT's are available as primary and all secondaries across all AT's are avialvable as secondaries?
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Well, you have to admit.. it would be fun.
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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Oh! Oh! Can I guess about the presumptive Spy AT powersets?
How about.... All primaries across all AT's are available as primary and all secondaries across all AT's are avialvable as secondaries?
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Well, you have to admit.. it would be fun.
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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Oh! Oh! Can I guess about the presumptive Spy AT powersets?
How about.... All primaries across all AT's are available as primary and all secondaries across all AT's are avialvable as secondaries?
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Well, you have to admit.. it would be fun.
[/ QUOTE ] Yeah.. an Invul/Invul spy would be kinda redundant though. lol
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Yeah.. main attack would be brawl... and.. brawl...
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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Oh! Oh! Can I guess about the presumptive Spy AT powersets?
How about.... All primaries across all AT's are available as primary and all secondaries across all AT's are avialvable as secondaries?
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Well, you have to admit.. it would be fun.
[/ QUOTE ] Yeah.. an Invul/Invul spy would be kinda redundant though. lol
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Yeah.. main attack would be brawl... and.. brawl...
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So? That would give you a nearly godlike invulnerable punchvoke tank? What's the problem with that?
Sure he wouldn't be doing a lot of soloing but he would be impossible to take down with double shields running all the time and hey, no attacks to use up all that endurance. Single slotted Stamina would keep him at the top of the blue indefinitely.
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Based on the info implied in the infamous Market Survey it's pretty clear the Devs have been considering a "Spy" AT for Going Rogue which could prove to be some kind of epic sideswitching AT similar to Kheldians and/or the VEATs. Regardless of the details I think it's at least reasonable to be open to possibility that there -could- be some kind of new AT associated with Going Rogue.
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I'll back this thought process and guess there's going to be at least one new Archetype that is "Neutral" at the start. It'd just make sense. It'd show off the spankin' new content.
I'll also sprinkle some speculation on this thread: the marketing survey also mentioned Character Creator 2.0 which could include power customization, right? Well, in the teaser trailer, Desdemona changes her fire ball from red to blue, which may symbolize swapping sides, but could hint at power customization since the current fire attacks in the game are primarily orange, not red or blue.
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Based on the info implied in the infamous Market Survey it's pretty clear the Devs have been considering a "Spy" AT for Going Rogue which could prove to be some kind of epic sideswitching AT similar to Kheldians and/or the VEATs. Regardless of the details I think it's at least reasonable to be open to possibility that there -could- be some kind of new AT associated with Going Rogue.
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I'll back this thought process and guess there's going to be at least one new Archetype that is "Neutral" at the start. It'd just make sense. It'd show off the spankin' new content.
I'll also sprinkle some speculation on this thread: the marketing survey also mentioned Character Creator 2.0 which could include power customization, right? Well, in the teaser trailer, Desdemona changes her fire ball from red to blue, which may symbolize swapping sides, but could hint at power customization since the current fire attacks in the game are primarily orange, not red or blue.
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I'm not holding my breath, but if such is the case, I may just asplode from pure unbridled joy should we get this feature.
Oh, and as for Spy powersets? 9mm pistol, butterfly knife, cigarette tin that lets them change shape.... what? It could work. But they need a french accent.
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The idea that a new Going Rogue "Spy" AT would allow us to combine any existing primary powerset with any existing secondary powerset is obviously a nice thing to think about but not very likely.
But in light of the "upcoming superhero MMO" which is going to be offering its characters much greater freedom of power selection I wouldn't be surprised to see the new Spy AT here be made from new unique powersets that had a large (but fixed) selection of powers to choose from so that each spy you build could be more unique from each other than most other ATs.
The difference between this hybrid idea and the "any power you want" scheme is that the Spy AT would still be defined by its unique Primary and Secondary powerset. But within those powersets there might be say 20 powers to choose from instead of only 10 or so. The Devs could still control and balance the AT but at the same time provide more flexibility in exactly how we wanted to build our own spies. Want a ranged sniper spy? Choose the spy oriented ranged attacks. Want a Controller type spy? Choose its controller-type powers. Basically this idea would be more flexible than traditional ATs but at the same time not be allowed to become so chaotically min/max-ish.
As far as the "hint" of power customization displayed by Desdemona changing her fireball from red to blue there have been other people already making that connection.
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I could see a 'Spy' AT as you say (Epic available to both sides) and introduced with GR would make sense, but I'd almost expect that it would be the Hallmark of the Expansion and showcased even more than Maelstrom and Desdemona. Of course, it's still a good way down the pike... apparently. So there's plenty of time to give a new Epic its props.
Still, I'd really wonder what a 'Spy' AT could/would do that would make it a whole lot different than a Bane. I just dunno.
To reiterate the answers to the OP for staying 'on topic': it's an Expansion not and Expansialone, and links to the Announcement have been given. All else is hearsay.
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Oh! Oh! Can I guess about the presumptive Spy AT powersets?
How about.... All primaries across all AT's are available as primary and all secondaries across all AT's are avialvable as secondaries?
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Well, you have to admit.. it would be fun.
[/ QUOTE ] Yeah.. an Invul/Invul spy would be kinda redundant though. lol
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Seriosuly, no one outside paragon studios knows jack all about the expansion yet.
Mostly people are just speculating.
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Seriosuly, no one outside paragon studios knows jack all about the expansion yet.
Mostly people are just speculating.
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I do. but i am a time traveler from the future. And to tell you early would violate the subprime directive. And require you to fill out a 200000 page application using 1 number 2 pencil. or blood.(for red side players the blood does not have to be your own)
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speculations for rouge AT. Dual Gun, Demon Summoning. but like everything is all talk so don't get your hopes up. Mine are all destroyed
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