Frustrated at the terrible skill level of players.

Silly Zek, trying to use logic again on the forums..... STOP THAT!

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Silly Zek, trying to use logic again on the forums..... STOP THAT!

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T___T

The other night I dreamed I was this guy hero who would just *fry* people... but they were clones, so it was okay. Until he killed this girl that wasn't a clone. He could also pop electronic equipment by making it overload.

>_> I think I may have been playing too much of my scrapper the night before lol.

Logic... I ... I love logic. Why must it betray me so?

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I don't see how this turnewd into an argument. Newbies who get PLed to 50 are a problem. I teamed with a Soldier of Arachnos the other day who didn't know what the black market was. That shouldn't happen.

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Hang on, why shouldn't it? Its optional content. The whole invention system is optional. The Devs have said explicitly that several mods/improvements should be considered optional. I *think* Ouroborous falls under this optional category as well.


So why fault *any* player who isn't knowledgeable about IO's or the black market/auction house? The game doesn't require them to utilize any of it. Why should you?

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I don't see how this turnewd into an argument. Newbies who get PLed to 50 are a problem. I teamed with a Soldier of Arachnos the other day who didn't know what the black market was. That shouldn't happen.

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Hang on, why shouldn't it? Its optional content. The whole invention system is optional. The Devs haev said explicitly that several mods/improvements should be considered optional.


So why fault *any* player who isn't knowledgeable about IO's or the black market/auction house? The game doesn't require them to utilize any of it. Why should you?

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Whether utilized or not, I don't see any reason not to be aware of its existance. Heck, I discovered the Wentworths back when I was level 2 in Atlas when I started and was fresh out of the tutorial zone. How?

"Hey, this building looks neat.. what is it? Hey, I found the auction house.. cool. What's for sale? What!? I'll never have that much money!!"

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New players don't have veteran badges.

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Here's an interesting data point - how many people have accounts started several years apart? This is not a claim one way or the other, it's an actual question that might bring more meaning to the discussion. Personally, I never remember to check badges at all out of sheer forgetfulness.

[/ QUOTE ] Honestly, I have no idea. But I think(speculation) it is enough that relying on vet badges is a poor idea.

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New players don't have veteran badges.

[/ QUOTE ] So if I start a new account you'll be able to look at my vet badges and tell how long I've been playing?

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Here's an interesting data point - how many people have accounts started several years apart? This is not a claim one way or the other, it's an actual question that might bring more meaning to the discussion. Personally, I never remember to check badges at all out of sheer forgetfulness.

[/ QUOTE ] Honestly, I have no idea. But I think(speculation) it is enough that relying on vet badges is a poor idea.

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I only look at vet badges when someone is being exceptionally foolish. I then look at the badges to determine how I should deal with them.

2 or less? All right.. benefit of the doubt, try offering advice to correct their foolhardy actions.

3 or more? You should really know better.. I'll give you one shot to straighten up or its a 1 star and pray I never see you again.

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Honestly, I have no idea. But I think(speculation) it is enough that relying on vet badges is a poor idea.

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I honestly never look at badges. Like, ever. I think I check some random passer by's badges when the topic is raised on the forums and promptly forget about it.

But still, if people meet a specifically poor level 50 character with no veteran badges who doesn't seem to know his left hand from his right... Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Of course, segregating people purely based on badges is silly, obviously, but I wouldn't say it's a good idea to just discard them as meaningless. Nothing in life is ever absolutely certain.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

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Used to be that if someone was a level 50, you could count on a certain level of skill and teamwork, because they had worked hard through all the zones, and knew what to do.I'm just frustrated at the ever increasing level of newbies, leveling fast, and not grasping basic game fundamentals.

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I had exactly the same experience as the OP recently. Led an AE PUG and had to repeatedly remind the team to stick together, let the tank begin aggro, etc. And it's not like we had some uber scrapper or controller that was able to leap ahead of the tank safely. They'd go off on their own, aggro too much to handle and promprtly die. The phrase "herding cats" came to mind.

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they've missed the ... Patriot badges

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Interestingly the third character I ever made, 51 months ago, just got the Patriot badge today at level 36. Logged on to get the Fifth Anniversary badge and notice the rent was overdue.

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Honestly, I have no idea. But I think(speculation) it is enough that relying on vet badges is a poor idea.

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I honestly never look at badges. Like, ever. I think I check some random passer by's badges when the topic is raised on the forums and promptly forget about it.

But still, if people meet a specifically poor level 50 character with no veteran badges who doesn't seem to know his left hand from his right... Well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Of course, segregating people purely based on badges is silly, obviously, but I wouldn't say it's a good idea to just discard them as meaningless. Nothing in life is ever absolutely certain.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree. Taken as one factor among many badges can be of some help. I just don't feel using them as the sole determining factor is a good idea(I know that's not what you said, I'm just throwing that out there).

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New players don't have veteran badges.

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Here's an interesting data point - how many people have accounts started several years apart? This is not a claim one way or the other, it's an actual question that might bring more meaning to the discussion. Personally, I never remember to check badges at all out of sheer forgetfulness.

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1st was 60 months yesterday.
2nd will be 33 months next week on Friday (29th).
3rd was 21 months on May 1.

But I think people use vet badges in the opposite direction. If you have none or few and play like a newbie people figure you are new (if they look) and cut you slack. If you have many vet badges (if they look) and ask where the train is you're probably going to get heckled.

Of course if you've been around long enough and you know you don't know everything, you ask anyway and don't care who heckles you.

They definitely aren't the *only* or even the *first* thing I look at. Behaviors, chat, name and appearance, I'll look over powers and then badges. Tell you what I *have* been seeing on more and more high-vet-counts, toons that are *obvious* eula breakers. Doing it just because they think they can get away with it? Or doing it because they're not going to keep the toon? Or maybe just because they want it to get genericd? Dunno. But I always think to myself, after seeing yet another Hulk with a faintly mis-spelled name wander by and check that they aren't in fact unaware of the requirement not to do this, that they should KNOW better.

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And once more for the record:

We are not 'bashing newbies'.

We are *bashing NOOBS*. there is a DIFFERENCE. It's been stated several times before now, I suggest you actually read those posts about the clear and obvious differences between a new player and a noob.

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Bashing *anyone* is never okay. And that was *my* point.

Have a good one.

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But you called us hypocrites and cast aspersions on our motivation for forming teams.

The lesson for you here to is not to engage in a thread loaded for bear. You seem reasonable, but your initial post stirred Zekiran, and she's never been one that even I would mess with unless I really had my [censored] together. Bad move...

Aside from that, your point is taken, but the tone you've taken isn't likely to garner any friends.

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Oh, please.

I never fail to be amused at attempts to make one or the other forum-member look like a bad-a** who must be bowed to, scraped to and generally propitiated with all due respect/fear, lest said member Get All Medieval upon one.

This is an online forum, and me.... I don't bow to anyone. Maybe you do, which is your choice & have at it. But not everyone is going to do that. Anyone with an ego that needs propitiation on an Online forum is a pretty sad case, to tell the truth. I'm not here to salve anyone's ego.

As was previously mentioned, friends like some people here, I don't need. I would actually question myself were I to gain their [worthless, because we're all online] approval.

I see that mileage varies on that point, but c'est la forums.

True Story.

About a week ago, I logged onto our 3rd account. I joined a team and was happily putzing around. When I get a tell from a "Vet".

/t Idiot: OMG YOU BOUGHT MONEY FROM A RMTer.
/t Me: Um, what?
/t Idiot: YOU HAVE SETS AND ONLY 3 MONTH BADGE.
/t Me: This is my 3rd acct...
/t Idiot: I just petitioned you for breaking the EULA.
/t Me: I just petitioned you for being stupid.
/t Idiot: What?

I quit and logged. I really hate Vets some times.

Good lord. No, you weren't encountering a vet, you were encountering a worthless pile of crud, that's what...

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True Story.

About a week ago, I logged onto our 3rd account. I joined a team and was happily putzing around. When I get a tell from a "Vet".

/t Idiot: OMG YOU BOUGHT MONEY FROM A RMTer.
/t Me: Um, what?
/t Idiot: YOU HAVE SETS AND ONLY 3 MONTH BADGE.
/t Me: This is my 3rd acct...
/t Idiot: I just petitioned you for breaking the EULA.
/t Me: I just petitioned you for being stupid.
/t Idiot: What?

I quit and logged. I really hate Vets some times.

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....Having sets is petitionable??? It breaks the EULA? Only so many sets are allowed per vet badge?! What...?

Man, learn something new every day. LOL. It must be such a hoot to be a game-master in an online MMO.

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Good lord. No, you weren't encountering a vet, you were encountering a worthless pile of crud, that's what...

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It was great thoe, they had 54 month vet badges
>.<

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Good lord. No, you weren't encountering a vet, you were encountering a worthless pile of crud, that's what...

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It was great thoe, they had 54 month vet badges
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Ugh.

Lol what you should have done is immediately log back on to your oldest toon, and give them a hard time with it.