Frustrated at the terrible skill level of players.
By
Acyl,
Posted on: 2009-05-20 19:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That problem pre-dates AE teams.
Not sure why everyone is suddenly under the impression that farming is new and only existed since the implementation of player mission. Get real, guys/gals.
[/ QUOTE ]
It's a question, I think, less of it having existed rather the fact that the sheer numbers of instances of this problem have in fact skyrocketed since the MA. It's the population explosion of clueless unskilled high level players that people are discussing now. No one is claiming they never existed prior. They just weren't epidemic before.
[/ QUOTE ]
Thank you, and to those like you, that understand what i am talking about. It's not that i have no idea how to cope with the problem, sure, i could just team with SG mates, avoid Atlas Park, not do any PUGs, but sometimes, SG mates or friends are not around and you feel like playing. Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.
[/ QUOTE ]
...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them 
[/ QUOTE ]
They failed to realize I had been the one SBing and FSing them.. I only saw a few comments along the lines of "Why am I not moving fast?" and "Do they (the enemies) debuff damage?"
edit: I also left the team after that mish was done.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.
[/ QUOTE ]
...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them
[/ QUOTE ]
They failed to realize I had been the one SBing and FSing them.. I only saw a few comments along the lines of "Why am I not moving fast?" and "Do they (the enemies) debuff damage?"
edit: I also left the team after that mish was done.
[/ QUOTE ]
LOL ... priceless
Doc Mech-Nec (Exalted): 50 Bots/FF MM
Crey Radiation Tank (Exalted): 50 Rad/Rad Corr
Servers: Exalted, Triumph, Champion
Alts: 32
Steam Profile
[ QUOTE ]
Pretty much my entire COH career, was that case. I could depend on looking at a 50 and seeing a player who actually had played the game. In times past the exceptions to that were extremely rare.
[/ QUOTE ]
lol. you MUST have been playing a different game than me the last few years.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
This thread to me says:
Frustrated by people who suck.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That problem pre-dates AE teams.
Not sure why everyone is suddenly under the impression that farming is new and only existed since the implementation of player mission. Get real, guys/gals.
[/ QUOTE ]
It's a question, I think, less of it having existed rather the fact that the sheer numbers of instances of this problem have in fact skyrocketed since the MA. It's the population explosion of clueless unskilled high level players that people are discussing now. No one is claiming they never existed prior. They just weren't epidemic before.
[/ QUOTE ]
Thank you, and to those like you, that understand what i am talking about. It's not that i have no idea how to cope with the problem, sure, i could just team with SG mates, avoid Atlas Park, not do any PUGs, but sometimes, SG mates or friends are not around and you feel like playing. Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.
[/ QUOTE ]
LOL, again some folks must have been playing a different game than me all these years.
EDIT: Being 50 and having vet rewards has always meant jack shite for whether you are a good player or not.
I've seen lvl 1-20 noobs pre and post AE who know/figure out the game better than a lot of 50s I know.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
[ QUOTE ]
Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.
[/ QUOTE ] Ha! You didn't see me play after I got my first 50(no PL at all). Damn I was a [censored] rad/rad defender.
[ QUOTE ]
The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.
I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.
Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.
[/ QUOTE ]
I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.
I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.
Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.
[/ QUOTE ]
I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.
[/ QUOTE ]
Very often they can be, yes. There have been occasions where I've been an absolutely terrible leader, failing to understand the individual playstyles of my team, the way they've built their character and their individual comfort levels, leading to whipe after whipe after whipe. None of us are perfect.
EDIT - What I can say, though, is that it's not the standard. It's happened int eh past and it'll happen again, but ultimately it's neither the standard for me, nor is it the usual. What it is, however, is still my fault. And it does no one any favours to come to the forums and whine and piss and cry about how the players on my team all sucked when it's so completely obvious to anyone paying attention that there was something I could have done about it.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.
I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.
Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.
[/ QUOTE ]
I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.
[/ QUOTE ]
Very often they can be, yes. There have been occasions where I've been an absolutely terrible leader, failing to understand the individual playstyles of my team, the way they've built their character and their individual comfort levels, leading to whipe after whipe after whipe. None of us are perfect.
EDIT - What I can say, though, is that it's not the standard. It's happened int eh past and it'll happen again, but ultimately it's neither the standard for me, nor is it the usual. What it is, however, is still my fault. And it does no one any favours to come to the forums and whine and piss and cry about how the players on my team all sucked when it's so completely obvious to anyone paying attention that there was something I could have done about it.
[/ QUOTE ]
Kudos to you friend.I was just checking to see if, like some people i have met, you were just taking any opportunity to "suck your own d***" You have earned my respect.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I don't know if the AE farms are to blame for this, but I have recently started a few alts and while I am doing the tutorial mission, people ask me VERY newbish questions about the game. (like how to use powers, etc.) It's almost like they don't READ the instructions provided! I did answer the questions, but it's still kinda irritating!
Then, just today, while I was in Atlas, I saw a level 1 Blaster taking on a group of level 4 Hellions (probably 4-5 of them!) I found that the 'shrug' emote was the only appropriate way to react! (I REALLY need a 'facepalm' emote!) Seriously, I think it's like "Rise of the Newbs" in CoH! (Which actually isn't a BAD thing with CO coming so soon!)
[/ QUOTE ]
(I added some emphasis above).
OK, this sounds very odd to me - that someone finds it weird that people in a TUTORIAL are asking questions about the mechinics of how to play a game. Oh my goodness - people trying to learn in a tutorial, how bizarre!
Some learn by reading a manual or the various instruction links, some learn by trying stuff out, some learn by asking specific questions about stuff they are confused by.
Personally, I prefer it when people ask questions to clarify what they are confused by rather than ASSUME (we all know where that leads) - and in a Tutorial seems the perfect place to do that. But YMMV.
If it truly does irritate you, then don't answer them.
[/ QUOTE ]
Sorry, I guess I was a bit irrational. I was wrong to assume that because I learned from the manual, that means all learn from the manual!
to 
TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Used to be that if someone was a level 50, you could count on a certain level of skill and teamwork, because they had worked hard through all the zones, and knew what to do.
[/ QUOTE ]
You have to define 'level of skill'. I don't die very often and when I do hit 50 it will have been through my skill and my hard work soloing, but any mechanic that may involve teaming I will have no experience in. However, I also avoid PUGs, always have in any MMO. When I have grouped, it is to Mal a new MM to teach them about bodyguarding or some tactic they aren't familiar with.
Skill is relative to an individual experience. I will only have had experience with one char at 50 so my overall knowledge of other classes will be next to nil.
[/ QUOTE ]
Since the MA I've encountered lvl 50's that don't know how to slot enhancements or even where to get them.
[/ QUOTE ]
Or even get out of AP...that is just a travesty....
to TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.
I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.
Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.
[/ QUOTE ]
I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.
[/ QUOTE ]
Very often they can be, yes. There have been occasions where I've been an absolutely terrible leader, failing to understand the individual playstyles of my team, the way they've built their character and their individual comfort levels, leading to whipe after whipe after whipe. None of us are perfect.
EDIT - What I can say, though, is that it's not the standard. It's happened int eh past and it'll happen again, but ultimately it's neither the standard for me, nor is it the usual. What it is, however, is still my fault. And it does no one any favours to come to the forums and whine and piss and cry about how the players on my team all sucked when it's so completely obvious to anyone paying attention that there was something I could have done about it.
[/ QUOTE ]
Kudos to you friend.I was just checking to see if, like some people i have met, you were just taking any opportunity to "suck your own d***" You have earned my respect.
[/ QUOTE ]
ummm, wouldn't doing that cause a stiff neck? 
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Used to be that if someone was a level 50, you could count on a certain level of skill and teamwork, because they had worked hard through all the zones, and knew what to do.
[/ QUOTE ]
You have to define 'level of skill'. I don't die very often and when I do hit 50 it will have been through my skill and my hard work soloing, but any mechanic that may involve teaming I will have no experience in. However, I also avoid PUGs, always have in any MMO. When I have grouped, it is to Mal a new MM to teach them about bodyguarding or some tactic they aren't familiar with.
Skill is relative to an individual experience. I will only have had experience with one char at 50 so my overall knowledge of other classes will be next to nil.
[/ QUOTE ]
Since the MA I've encountered lvl 50's that don't know how to slot enhancements or even where to get them.
[/ QUOTE ]
Or even get out of AP...that is just a travesty....
[/ QUOTE ]
Or how to identify a level trainer on your zone map, thinking Lady Liberty is the only place in the game to level up.
Or that it's probably not a good idea to dedicate 8 power choices towards all four travel powers on one build.
Or wait by the door at each mission, unsure of whether or not to stay with the team due to incessant door camp farming.
I've seen all those idiosyncracies become much more common since i14. 
And this says nothing of a players awareness of nuances like... say the team status icon tray or how to access and make use of the global friends list or what a safeguard/mayhem mission is... *sigh*
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Used to be that if someone was a level 50, you could count on a certain level of skill and teamwork, because they had worked hard through all the zones, and knew what to do.
[/ QUOTE ]
You have to define 'level of skill'. I don't die very often and when I do hit 50 it will have been through my skill and my hard work soloing, but any mechanic that may involve teaming I will have no experience in. However, I also avoid PUGs, always have in any MMO. When I have grouped, it is to Mal a new MM to teach them about bodyguarding or some tactic they aren't familiar with.
Skill is relative to an individual experience. I will only have had experience with one char at 50 so my overall knowledge of other classes will be next to nil.
[/ QUOTE ]
Since the MA I've encountered lvl 50's that don't know how to slot enhancements or even where to get them.
[/ QUOTE ]
Or even get out of AP...that is just a travesty....
[/ QUOTE ]
Or how to identify a level trainer on your zone map, thinking Lady Liberty is the only place in the game to level up.
Or that it's probably not a good idea to dedicate 8 power choices towards all four travel powers on one build.
Or wait by the door at each mission, unsure of whether or not to stay with the team due to incessant door camp farming.
I've seen all those idiosyncracies become much more common since i14.
And this says nothing of a players awareness of nuances like... say the team status icon tray or how to access and make use of the global friends list or what a safeguard/mayhem mission is... *sigh*
[/ QUOTE ]
Well at least it's easy to know who to avoid teaming with.
Then again I just tell the person step by step how to do those things. If they still don't get it, i tell them "read the [censored] MANUAL!!!!", but nicer. 
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
This is old news dude!
Power is unless without the will to use it,
But will in nothing unless you believe in yourself.
And that is ture power!
Written by-Mr Amazing
[ QUOTE ]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
[/ QUOTE ]
QFT Once upon a time, WE were newbs! We had no idea who Ms. Liberty was or how to use macros. (I find myself poking through the manual sometimes to check if I'm doing it correctly!) The point is, we need to man up and teach these new players how to play. Not how to farm, how to play the REAL game! It is our duty to Paragon City and to our fellow inexperienced comrades!
to TO THE END!Villains are those who dedicate their lives to causing mayhem. Villians are people from the planet Villia!
[ QUOTE ]
<QR>
Why does anybody care if you teammates are good or not? All they're good for is increasing the spawn size. Doesn't take any skill to fill(I can rhyme!).
[/ QUOTE ]
You're a poet and didn't know it.
~ Infinity Heroes ~
Dark Voltage - 50 NRG/NRG/EM Blaster
Shure Shot - 50 Arch/NRG/MM Blaster
Silent Shadow Blade - 50 Katana/SR/BM Scrapper
Uphir - 50 Fire/Fire/Fire Blaster
[ QUOTE ]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
[/ QUOTE ]
I will give a level 10 new player a chance.
I will not give a level 50 new player who doesn't know how to use the tram or what enhancements do, a chance. Period.
Please read my FEAR/Portal/HalfLife Fan Fiction!
Repurposed
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I will give a level 10 new player a chance.
I will not give a level 50 new player who doesn't know how to use the tram or what enhancements do, a chance. Period.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah i'll give 200K to a new lvl 1 player. Give them advice. Show them the ropes. Follow them around on a healer or buffing toon. Whatever, But i refuse to do that with a lvl 50 hero. I mean, it's just silly. Why would you wanna start a game at the end and expect to learn anything?
Can you imagine playing Chess from the end and work backwards? How would you possibly learn any strategy in reverse? The same applies here. If you give someone a royal flush in poker who don't know what to do with it, whats the point?
Start from the beginning and work your way through for at least one 50. PL after that to your hearts content. Just my opinion of course.
Please read my FEAR/Portal/HalfLife Fan Fiction!
Repurposed
[ QUOTE ]
ummm, wouldn't doing that cause a stiff neck?
[/ QUOTE ]
More like a sore back.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
|
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
[/ QUOTE ]
I will give a level 10 new player a chance.
I will not give a level 50 new player who doesn't know how to use the tram or what enhancements do, a chance. Period.
[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah i'll give 200K to a new lvl 1 player. Give them advice. Show them the ropes. Follow them around on a healer or buffing toon. Whatever, But i refuse to do that with a lvl 50 hero. I mean, it's just silly. Why would you wanna start a game at the end and expect to learn anything?
[/ QUOTE ]
Sure, because every lvl 1 or lvl 10 player you see is a *new* player right...? As if you guys would even know the difference... (I know I can't tell that easily).
Fact is, the only events in game for constant on-going group activity are the Task Forces and the Mission Architect - and y'all are just more than happy to take a newbie on board who can pad your missions then drop 'em like hot cakes (I know I got asked several times last night to pad for Victory's TF night). And you can't even acknowledge the fact that you've actively contributed to the very problem you're complaining about now!
What a bunch of hypocrites!
You can't have it both ways, people. If you take the newbs for padding your TF farms (regardless of lvl) and they hit 50 as a result of your farming efforts (cause they can't solo 1-50 on their own in just a day without help...) then you've got a responsibility to help them understand how the game works normally or go your own way without commenting and constantly asking everyone to pad your TF farms.
[ QUOTE ]
Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Half of you making the complaints are TF farmers who just can't be bothered; the other half I suspect went through their own "newbie" phase and how *quickly* you forget how we, the first generation of players, carried you along as we hooked you up and waited patiently for you to find your groove.
I've never been as downright obnoxious to new players as y'all are doing now just by listing your complaints out in this thread. Get over yourselves and give new players a chance.
Threads bemoaning new players like this are *much* much worse than anything Positron had to say about MA abuses and it works against everything the Devs do to solicit new players to try the game.
I'm not saying you're wrong for being frustrated, but I do think you're wrong for being uncooperative and airing dirty laundry like this.
Seriously, its just not cool.
[/ QUOTE ]
What part of "Clueless level 50" do you not understand?
It doesn't have to be an MA-PL'd character, it could be an account that someone just bought off of eBay. Doesn't matter. If you're running around on a 50, the expectation is that you don't NEED help with the basics.
The expectation would be similar to that of a race driver needing instruction on how to drive his car into the paddock area of the track, cos all he knows how to do is run the track itself. Such a driver would get funny looks from his pit crew, if not outright fired from his team.
"City of Heroes. April 27, 2004 - August 31, 2012. Obliterated not with a weapon of mass destruction, not by an all-powerful supervillain... but by a cold-hearted and cowardly corporate suck-up."
[ QUOTE ]
Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.
[/ QUOTE ]
...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them
Doc Mech-Nec (Exalted): 50 Bots/FF MM
Crey Radiation Tank (Exalted): 50 Rad/Rad Corr
Servers: Exalted, Triumph, Champion
Alts: 32
Steam Profile