Frustrated at the terrible skill level of players.

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Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.

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...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them

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That problem pre-dates AE teams.

Not sure why everyone is suddenly under the impression that farming is new and only existed since the implementation of player mission. Get real, guys/gals.

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It's a question, I think, less of it having existed rather the fact that the sheer numbers of instances of this problem have in fact skyrocketed since the MA. It's the population explosion of clueless unskilled high level players that people are discussing now. No one is claiming they never existed prior. They just weren't epidemic before.

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Thank you, and to those like you, that understand what i am talking about. It's not that i have no idea how to cope with the problem, sure, i could just team with SG mates, avoid Atlas Park, not do any PUGs, but sometimes, SG mates or friends are not around and you feel like playing. Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.

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Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.

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...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them

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They failed to realize I had been the one SBing and FSing them.. I only saw a few comments along the lines of "Why am I not moving fast?" and "Do they (the enemies) debuff damage?"

edit: I also left the team after that mish was done.

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Then my speed boost and fulcrum shift "mysteriously" disappeared from my power trays ^_~.

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...and what did they say to that, or were they failing to realize you had them

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They failed to realize I had been the one SBing and FSing them.. I only saw a few comments along the lines of "Why am I not moving fast?" and "Do they (the enemies) debuff damage?"

edit: I also left the team after that mish was done.

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LOL ... priceless

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Pretty much my entire COH career, was that case. I could depend on looking at a 50 and seeing a player who actually had played the game. In times past the exceptions to that were extremely rare.

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lol. you MUST have been playing a different game than me the last few years.

This thread to me says:

Frustrated by people who suck.

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That problem pre-dates AE teams.

Not sure why everyone is suddenly under the impression that farming is new and only existed since the implementation of player mission. Get real, guys/gals.

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It's a question, I think, less of it having existed rather the fact that the sheer numbers of instances of this problem have in fact skyrocketed since the MA. It's the population explosion of clueless unskilled high level players that people are discussing now. No one is claiming they never existed prior. They just weren't epidemic before.

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Thank you, and to those like you, that understand what i am talking about. It's not that i have no idea how to cope with the problem, sure, i could just team with SG mates, avoid Atlas Park, not do any PUGs, but sometimes, SG mates or friends are not around and you feel like playing. Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.

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LOL, again some folks must have been playing a different game than me all these years.

EDIT: Being 50 and having vet rewards has always meant jack shite for whether you are a good player or not.

I've seen lvl 1-20 noobs pre and post AE who know/figure out the game better than a lot of 50s I know.

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Used to be, a high level player, even a PUG, had a certain respect and unspoken fail safe knowledge you knew you could rely on. Not any more.

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The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.

I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.

Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.

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I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.

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The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.

I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.

Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.

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I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.

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Very often they can be, yes. There have been occasions where I've been an absolutely terrible leader, failing to understand the individual playstyles of my team, the way they've built their character and their individual comfort levels, leading to whipe after whipe after whipe. None of us are perfect.

EDIT - What I can say, though, is that it's not the standard. It's happened int eh past and it'll happen again, but ultimately it's neither the standard for me, nor is it the usual. What it is, however, is still my fault. And it does no one any favours to come to the forums and whine and piss and cry about how the players on my team all sucked when it's so completely obvious to anyone paying attention that there was something I could have done about it.

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The lesson here is that communication is key for running a team effectively.

I've had experiences like that in CoH, actually. It's never fun, but often I've found I can wrest control of the team away from the leader just simply by continually asking, over and over what the plan is. Eventually they either kick me (which is fine with me, if they'd rather kick me than talk to me then that's totally fine, I'll go do something else), or they answer me. Once they actually start talking it's pretty easy to stick a paddle in the water and help direct a little.

Something I've found over the years and years I've played the game is that very often the people who complain about the players on their team are actually crappy players themselves who don't know how to lead effectively. With the right guidance and motivation anyone can become a decent player on a team and a standard that I try very hard to always apply to myself is the idea that if my team sucks, then I'm not doing my job.

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I've often found, that people who brag about their leadership skills and rational virtues, in game are in fact crappy leaders.

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Very often they can be, yes. There have been occasions where I've been an absolutely terrible leader, failing to understand the individual playstyles of my team, the way they've built their character and their individual comfort levels, leading to whipe after whipe after whipe. None of us are perfect.

EDIT - What I can say, though, is that it's not the standard. It's happened int eh past and it'll happen again, but ultimately it's neither the standard for me, nor is it the usual. What it is, however, is still my fault. And it does no one any favours to come to the forums and whine and piss and cry about how the players on my team all sucked when it's so completely obvious to anyone paying attention that there was something I could have done about it.

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Kudos to you friend.I was just checking to see if, like some people i have met, you were just taking any opportunity to "suck your own d***" You have earned my respect.

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I don't know if the AE farms are to blame for this, but I have recently started a few alts and while I am doing the tutorial mission, people ask me VERY newbish questions about the game. (like how to use powers, etc.) It's almost like they don't READ the instructions provided! I did answer the questions, but it's still kinda irritating!

Then, just today, while I was in Atlas, I saw a level 1 Blaster taking on a group of level 4 Hellions (probably 4-5 of them!) I found that the 'shrug' emote was the only appropriate way to react! (I REALLY need a 'facepalm' emote!) Seriously, I think it's like "Rise of the Newbs" in CoH! (Which actually isn't a BAD thing with CO coming so soon!)

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(I added some emphasis above).

OK, this sounds very odd to me - that someone finds it weird that people in a TUTORIAL are asking questions about the mechinics of how to play a game. Oh my goodness - people trying to learn in a tutorial, how bizarre!

Some learn by reading a manual or the various instruction links, some learn by trying stuff out, some learn by asking specific questions about stuff they are confused by.

Personally, I prefer it when people ask questions to clarify what they are confused by rather than ASSUME (we all know where that leads) - and in a Tutorial seems the perfect place to do that. But YMMV.

If it truly does irritate you, then don't answer them.

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Sorry, I guess I was a bit irrational. I was wrong to assume that because I learned from the manual, that means all learn from the manual!