Misuse of the word "Healer"
By
Acyl,
Posted on: 2009-05-15 19:43 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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That's CDN for you, and while he does tend to lack tact and wield the English language like a blunt instrument.. The premise of what he's saying is accurate.
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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That's CDN for you, and while he does tend to lack tact and wield the English language like a blunt instrument.. The premise of what he's saying is accurate.
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Pish-posh. He's totally off-base. Tell you what: you grab your healer, i'll grab my knockback resister, and we'll get some DoTers* to run an ITF. Yeah.
Maybe grab a speed booster** if there's still room.
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*Several Scrapper and Blaster attacks have damage over time in addition to the main damage. Obviously, even if it's a minor part of what they do, their main function is to provide DoTs.
**Controllers with Kinetics as their secondary might have other capabilities, but who cares? 
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Actually it can. Glue Arrow alone stops a lot of incoming damage.
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Ok, I'm sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you, but now we're promoting science fiction. Glue Arrow is an AoE slow that provides -20% recharge. This is the same amount of -Recharge as, for example, an Ice Controller's Frostbite. It's not useless, but it is not going to fill the void for a low level team that is taking lots of collateral damage and would like for their as-yet unshielded Scrappers to stop dying.
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If the team isn't attacking the slowed mobs, then ya, they will die.
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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That's CDN for you, and while he does tend to lack tact and wield the English language like a blunt instrument.. The premise of what he's saying is accurate.
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Hahah, I like that simile!
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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That's CDN for you, and while he does tend to lack tact and wield the English language like a blunt instrument.. The premise of what he's saying is accurate.
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Pish-posh. He's totally off-base. Tell you what: you grab your healer, i'll grab my knockback resister, and we'll get some DoTers* to run an ITF. Yeah.
Maybe grab a speed booster** if there's still room.
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*Several Scrapper and Blaster attacks have damage over time in addition to the main damage. Obviously, even if it's a minor part of what they do, their main function is to provide DoTs.
**Controllers with Kinetics as their secondary might have other capabilities, but who cares?
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Good one. I'll bring my DM/Regen knockbackresister.
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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That's CDN for you, and while he does tend to lack tact and wield the English language like a blunt instrument.. The premise of what he's saying is accurate.
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Hahah, I like that simile!
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What? I'm not gonna sugar coat it. Somehow, I felt it would have been more insulting to soften it, given the subject that inspired it's usage. :3
I wouldn't expect you to sugarcoat it. I actually got a laugh out of it. I also couldn't care less if my posts injure someone's delicate feelings, piss them off, etc. etc.
People that refer to Empaths as "healers" are simpletons. 'Nuff said.
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We don't hate the word heal. We hate the word "healer" coming out of the mouth of those who are ignorant and resistant to accepting that debuffs>buffs>heals.
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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level 16 emp/dark defender with only dark blast, all their empathy stuff, AND the medicine pool, named healbot457453257.
Would that NOT be considered a "healer?"
There are "healers" in the game. Thats their play choice.
I think of them in the same way as petless mm's.
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Except I don't delude myself into thinking that my Petless MM is someone that the team absolutely must have to survive. Yes, I have one, and it will probably be rerolled into a Dual Pistol character depending on what sets get paired with it (he has a specific concept, and his secondary is FF). In fact, I haven't ran into any Petless MMs in the game who thought they were really awesome MMs. Mine is practically just a buff-bot that does minimal damage.
And that's the problem most people have with "healers". They believe that they're required, they believe that they're "the best", and too many people agree with them. That Empath/Dark who took only heals AND the medicine pool? Yeah... I won't take that on my team. Unfortunately, someone else will and they will praise them for it.
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@Laxx
"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
I may not broadcast im a healer but i consider my empath and some of my therms healers. I love healing its why i play empaths and therms. Sometimes people call them selfs damage dealers when they sit and complain they are not getting enough xp while they do nothing and not even move from doorway. I myself dont think my storm summ is a healer but sometimes they get put in that role. I bet you dont say the storm summs are not healers when they O2 ur butt and save ya from dyin hmmm?
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I may not broadcast im a healer but i consider my empath and some of my therms healers. I love healing its why i play empaths and therms. Sometimes people call them selfs damage dealers when they sit and complain they are not getting enough xp while they do nothing and not even move from doorway. I myself dont think my storm summ is a healer but sometimes they get put in that role. I bet you dont say the storm summs are not healers when they O2 ur butt and save ya from dyin hmmm?
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Storm Summoners are NOT healers. They are GALEBOTS! Six-slotted Gale, Tornado, and Whirlwind from the Speed Pool makes me the superest galebot evAr. And because I think it helps, and it worked in some other game, I must be right, so I'm going to keep calling myself a galebot instead of a Storm Defender who provides mitigation eleventeen different ways.
I was once faced with this many years ago while playing my Rad/Rad defender. I took a blind invite to a team who obviously saw my blue shield and mistakenly thought I was a medical plan of some kind.
I was asked.. R U Healer. I said I have a small AoE heal that will heal for around 240 points which I will gladly spam for you...
OR
I can reduce the mobs chances to hit you and increase you chance to hit them
I can improve the damage of your attacks by about 25% across the board and decrease the enemies by 30%.
I can also slow the mobs Regenaration rate 500% and attack speed by 75%.
I can increase your end recovery 60% and reduce the time you are stunned by 200%
I can hold everything short of a boss in one application.
I can continously debuff mobs defense while attacking and do more damage as well
OR I can heal....
Pick one...
Needless to say they got a lesson in what DEFENDER can do.
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
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I wouldn't expect you to sugarcoat it. I actually got a laugh out of it. I also couldn't care less if my posts injure someone's delicate feelings, piss them off, etc. etc.
People that refer to Empaths as "healers" are simpletons. 'Nuff said.
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Pot calling the kettle black.
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As a "veteran" (I assume that's what you meant to say,) you should know by know by now how Defenders and Controllers bristle at the term "healer." Many of us do not like to be defined by a single ability. If you wish to limit yourself by requesting "h3al0rz" that's you prerogative.
When the response to your "We need a healer." tell is "Sorry, not a healer." You'll know why. I tend to avoid teams that 'need a healer' like the plague.
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I have a lvl 50 kins toller, a lvl 30 kins defender, a lvl 37 Emp , and a lvl 24 Dark def. I never once got offended at someone calling me a healer. My ego is tamed when it comes to in game phrases that have been used for years now. Like I posted before, Many veterans (I included) know that many of the Def AT's come with a heal and a debuff/buff. And even then people are using the term "heal", their not deeming the populous of defenders healers.
Question, why does it bother you so much?, are you in need of that much pride in a VIDEOGAME that you need to correct someone if they ask for a "healer"?. Get over it, Defenders are the; Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc of City of Heroes. Don't act like this is your first MMO, and if it is, go Wiki MMO's, the general term "healer" is and has been used for years now.
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything"
"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
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Pick one...
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How about all of the above?. See as I posted before, people asking for a "healer" want at THE VERY LEAST one heal, basically any means to mitigate lost life points, no one said you had to stop buffing/debuffing, just cause you have one heal.
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything"
"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
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Exactly! There is no "healer" in this game, and quite honestly the only people who use that term are demonstrating their own ignorance and general stupidity.
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Beyond tactless.
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Thats because tact doesnt work on idiots who think Defenders are "healers"
Only bludgeoning them verbally.
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I'm tolerant of the word "healer" at face value -- either someone who has a power that heals others, or someone who specializes in such powers, either is fine. That's how the word is used on these forums.
My problem is the word "need" which, in game, just about always accompanies the word "healer," whether it's typed out explicitly or not. Team leaders broadcast they're looking for a healer, teammates ask the leader if they should get another healer, healers broadcast their availability for any team that may be looking for one -- and underlying all of it is that false assumption of need. Which is in itself grounded on the false assumption that heals>buffs>debuffs, as in some other RPGs.
(Though I have discovered a certain naughty joy in using debuffs in presumably heal-centric classic console RPGs. Final Fantasy IV Hardtype for instance gets surprisingly easier when you stat hose enemies with Toad/Mini... but ugh, debuff immune enemies and bosses, what a pain.)
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Pick one...
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How about all of the above?. See as I posted before, people asking for a "healer" want at THE VERY LEAST one heal, basically any means to mitigate lost life points, no one said you had to stop buffing/debuffing, just cause you have one heal.
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Except a good defender or two means your life loss will be so minimal that you can naturally regenerate it, or plain wont be getting hit enough for it to matter.
Heals are for emergencies, thats all. my first 50 was a Thermal controller. she heals once in a blue moon because my shields and melt armors and so forth generally mean mobs rarely scratch my teammates
my second 50 was a Pain domination corruptor. She also rarely if ever heals. She's usually too busy buffing or using Fire Blast to inflict horrific levels of death.
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As a "veteran" (I assume that's what you meant to say,) you should know by know by now how Defenders and Controllers bristle at the term "healer." Many of us do not like to be defined by a single ability. If you wish to limit yourself by requesting "h3al0rz" that's you prerogative.
When the response to your "We need a healer." tell is "Sorry, not a healer." You'll know why. I tend to avoid teams that 'need a healer' like the plague.
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I have a lvl 50 kins toller, a lvl 30 kins defender, a lvl 37 Emp , and a lvl 24 Dark def. I never once got offended at someone calling me a healer. My ego is tamed when it comes to in game phrases that have been used for years now. Like I posted before, Many veterans (I included) know that many of the Def AT's come with a heal and a debuff/buff. And even then people are using the term "heal", their not deeming the populous of defenders healers.
Question, why does it bother you so much?, are you in need of that much pride in a VIDEOGAME that you need to correct someone if they ask for a "healer"?. Get over it, Defenders are the; Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc of City of Heroes. Don't act like this is your first MMO, and if it is, go Wiki MMO's, the general term "healer" is and has been used for years now.
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"Healer" bothers me specifically because my Dark Defender was on the receiving end of the Kick button frequently for not being an Empath Healbot. Every team that gave me the boot ignored the fact that they only ever took around 2% of their HP as damage in each fight, no one was close to even dying, and we were steamrolling -- they weren't seeing green number spam, so they kicked me.
The only reason "healer" is such a wide-spread term is because every MMO before this one, and so far after, has had healing be the end all be all when it comes to dealing with damage. Buffs rarely, if ever, stack in other MMOs and buffs are also far weaker (though they last longer, which I'll get to in a moment). In WoW specifically, certain buffs that used to stack no longer do because it was causing people to "trivialize" content. Rogue, Warrior, and Shaman "enrage equivalent" buffs don't stack anymore, and in total, those only boosted damage by around 15%. The amount of additional damage we're able to obtain makes 15% seem tiny by comparison. The very fact that buffs last so long comparatively in their game is so that the heal/buff classes can concentrate on healing. That's it.
I don't care what "many Veterans know". As a veteran, I too know many people don't specifically mean a Heal Bot when they ask for a "healer", but at the same time, I've ran into far too many who want exactly that (specifically when I'm PLAYING my Defenders). As such, anyone advertising themselves as a "healer", or asks for a "healer", will find themselves either not getting on my teams, or will be removed from my teams. I have no tolerance for it, and if it's my team than it's my rules, is it not?
Defenders are not the "Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc" of City of Heroes. Get over it.
Main Hero : Annilixxion -- Lv50 Blaster
Main Villain : Menkaura -- Lv41 Mastermind
@Laxx
"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
Yeah, I've yet to team with anyone calling themselves a "Healer" that the wouldn't of been better off with an empty spot.
I take that back, I've noticed a few people saying they were healers and then playinga Def right.
The more people I meet, the more I'm beginning to root for the zombies.
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As a "veteran" (I assume that's what you meant to say,) you should know by know by now how Defenders and Controllers bristle at the term "healer." Many of us do not like to be defined by a single ability. If you wish to limit yourself by requesting "h3al0rz" that's you prerogative.
When the response to your "We need a healer." tell is "Sorry, not a healer." You'll know why. I tend to avoid teams that 'need a healer' like the plague.
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I have a lvl 50 kins toller, a lvl 30 kins defender, a lvl 37 Emp , and a lvl 24 Dark def. I never once got offended at someone calling me a healer. My ego is tamed when it comes to in game phrases that have been used for years now. Like I posted before, Many veterans (I included) know that many of the Def AT's come with a heal and a debuff/buff. And even then people are using the term "heal", their not deeming the populous of defenders healers.
Question, why does it bother you so much?, are you in need of that much pride in a VIDEOGAME that you need to correct someone if they ask for a "healer"?. Get over it, Defenders are the; Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc of City of Heroes. Don't act like this is your first MMO, and if it is, go Wiki MMO's, the general term "healer" is and has been used for years now.
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"Healer" bothers me specifically because my Dark Defender was on the receiving end of the Kick button frequently for not being an Empath Healbot. Every team that gave me the boot ignored the fact that they only ever took around 2% of their HP as damage in each fight, no one was close to even dying, and we were steamrolling -- they weren't seeing green number spam, so they kicked me.
The only reason "healer" is such a wide-spread term is because every MMO before this one, and so far after, has had healing be the end all be all when it comes to dealing with damage. Buffs rarely, if ever, stack in other MMOs and buffs are also far weaker (though they last longer, which I'll get to in a moment). In WoW specifically, certain buffs that used to stack no longer do because it was causing people to "trivialize" content. Rogue, Warrior, and Shaman "enrage equivalent" buffs don't stack anymore, and in total, those only boosted damage by around 15%. The amount of additional damage we're able to obtain makes 15% seem tiny by comparison. The very fact that buffs last so long comparatively in their game is so that the heal/buff classes can concentrate on healing. That's it.
I don't care what "many Veterans know". As a veteran, I too know many people don't specifically mean a Heal Bot when they ask for a "healer", but at the same time, I've ran into far too many who want exactly that (specifically when I'm PLAYING my Defenders). As such, anyone advertising themselves as a "healer", or asks for a "healer", will find themselves either not getting on my teams, or will be removed from my teams. I have no tolerance for it, and if it's my team than it's my rules, is it not?
Defenders are not the "Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc" of City of Heroes. Get over it.
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I have seen people limit thier choices for a kin, a rad, a stone tanker, no dark armors, etc. It is not limited to just defenders but defenders get the most bent out of shape.
Well just to quote myself from the other thread:
'The problem is some people are so obsessed with disproving the whole "we need a healer or we'll die" theory, that they have actually gone one step further and tried to prove that healers are not just not needed, but are indeed useless.'
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Defenders are not the "Priest, Shaman, Medic, etc" of City of Heroes. Get over it.
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Are you serious?, So when you see an emp AT or a Thermal, you dont see the similarities in both priest and Shaman like abilities?. Heal, team bufff, aoe heal, revive, etc. Now your just delusional or in denial. I'm guessing you never played a Shaman in not just WoW but in many other MMO's, even in D&D the Shaman healed...Do some research before you go posting just to post.
Where are these ego's coming from? no one cared what defenders where called 4 yrs ago, I smell some elitist players hitting CoH, but I digress, you dont like being called a healer then sour grapes for you friend, if your bothered by an IN GAME phrase then there really is no helping you. My best advice?...go out breath some fresh air, because if a phrase in an MMO bothers you that much I say you failed at life, life has way harder decisions than arguing over a phrase in a video game.
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything"
"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
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'The problem is some people are so obsessed with disproving the whole "we need a healer or we'll die" theory, that they have actually gone one step further and tried to prove that healers are not just not needed, but are indeed useless.'
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QFT, really nothing more to say/post about it, you hit the nail right on the head with a sledge.
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything"
"You're like Giraffe's, the way you look down on me, with your vegetarian scorn."
Thank you for proving your intelligence with that usage of the term.
A well balanced Empath buffs, blasts and heals, in that order of importance. Do you call them a buffer, blaster or healer? I think the simple folk focus on the latter.