Misuse of the word "Healer"
By
Acyl,
Posted on: 2009-05-15 19:43 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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The term healer doesn't belong in broadcast or anywhere else in CoX. Healer mindset = bad. It's like going into WoW and claiming you're a Hunter with Speed Boost because you have that +5% speed thing. Completely meaningless.
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QFT
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Problem is, people set the bar too high for empaths.
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Problem is, other buff/debuff sets set the bar too high for Empathy. It's just not that good a set.
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Problem is, people set the bar too high for empaths.
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Problem is, other buff/debuff sets set the bar too high for Empathy. It's just not that good a set.
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I feel like you and I must play a different game. This forum is for City of Heroes, right? Here is where Empathy gets Fortitude, Regeneration Aura, Recovery Aura, Clear Mind and Adrenaline Boost, right?
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However, I don't believe we've reached a general agreement as to what a "healer" really is, in CoX terms.
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A healer is any character who takes responsibility for maintaining teammates' health on an ongoing basis via the use of healing powers.
what? 
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We've all seen the broadcasts: lvl XX healer lft. I used to think people were referring strictly to empaths, but apparently storm summoners can pass themselves as "healers" as well, with their amazing healing set consisting of a whopping 1 single target heal. Maybe it's just me, but this is just more than a tad bit misleading. If this is the case, then any blaster who happens to pick up the ally heal from the Medicine power pool can pass themselves off as "healers" as well.
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Oh dear. I leave the game for a few months and this - this is what I return to?
*sob* It's like I never left.
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However, I don't believe we've reached a general agreement as to what a "healer" really is, in CoX terms.
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A healer is any character who takes responsibility for maintaining teammates' health on an ongoing basis via the use of healing powers.
what?
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except to some people it means "has a healing power" or to some it means "didnt bother with their blast or control set and bought the stealth and medicine pools"
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However, I don't believe we've reached a general agreement as to what a "healer" really is, in CoX terms.
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A healer is any character who takes responsibility for maintaining teammates' health on an ongoing basis via the use of healing powers.
what?
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except to some people it means "has a healing power" or to some it means "didnt bother with their blast or control set and bought the stealth and medicine pools"
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it's okay. I know.
Let me see if I can manage another two years before the next lapse.
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I feel like you and I must play a different game. This forum is for City of Heroes, right? Here is where Empathy gets Fortitude, Regeneration Aura, Recovery Aura, Clear Mind and Adrenaline Boost, right?
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Compared to the stronger buff/debuff sets? Ho and hum. Fort and AB look good on paper, but too often you only benefit from one aspect of each buff, and that makes them too short in duration and too long in recharge for what they're actually worth. In fact, if there weren't so much buff/debuff hate among the devs right now, I'm positive Empathy would be on the short list of sets deserving of dev love. Heck, just look how Pain Domination turned out.
Not to say Empathy's not useful, but it takes more player skill to get the same level of performance. Or certain specialized setups, such as Hamidon raids and Empathy duos, that favor Empathy (by requiring +regen in Hamidon's case, or by actually using all aspects of Fort and AB in Empathy duo's case).
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"Except "healers" are useless, unless your use for them is to pad a mission."
Well what is the definition of "healer"?
Is it an empath with heal aura, heal other, absorb pain and medicine?
Is it anyone with a heal power?
Is it someone who refuses to use any power except their heal?
I'm assuming you mean either the first example of the last example, but even in those examples, a "healer" is never useless to a team. They may underperform compared to a person who takes a more holistic attitude to their character, but that doesn't make them useless.
The best characters always utilize every aspect of their power sets, regardless of archtype or set. Any character which focuses too much on one specific role is going to underperform in this game. Whether they are an empath focusing on healing, or a tanker focusing on defence to the exclusion of all attacks.
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Using the Quote button (or quote tags), is your friend.
I already gave you the definition of "healer" as I defined it, so I'm not going to repeat that here. I even gave examples where it may not be true (my definition) but choose to avoid people who want/advertise themselves as one because of all the other cases where I was 100% correct in my assumptions. Read my posts to find it.
Main Hero : Annilixxion -- Lv50 Blaster
Main Villain : Menkaura -- Lv41 Mastermind
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"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
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people asking for a "healer" want at THE VERY LEAST one heal
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If only that were true...
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I did a LGTF last night with an Emp Defender that spent all his time blasting. Didn't use any buffs unless asked and didn't even heal. We didn't often need the heals, but they would have been nice when we did.
Lol Emps that think they're Blasters.
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And this is where you jump the shark. You accuse people of "hating healers" and point to Empaths who do the exact opposite, but equally stupid thing, to support your position that "a healer is helpful".
Most people who hate healers aren't saying that healing is bad and should be avoided. I hate healers, and I know the value of a heal and expect a heal to be used when the time comes to use it. I hate people who do NOTHING but SPAM heals endlessly.
It's really that simple.
Main Hero : Annilixxion -- Lv50 Blaster
Main Villain : Menkaura -- Lv41 Mastermind
@Laxx
"You will bend to my will, with or without your precious sanity." --Dragon Mage
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people asking for a "healer" want at THE VERY LEAST one heal
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If only that were true...
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I did a LGTF last night with an Emp Defender that spent all his time blasting. Didn't use any buffs unless asked and didn't even heal. We didn't often need the heals, but they would have been nice when we did.
Lol Emps that think they're Blasters.
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And this is where you jump the shark. You accuse people of "hating healers" and point to Empaths who do the exact opposite, but equally stupid thing, to support your position that "a healer is helpful".
Most people who hate healers aren't saying that healing is bad and should be avoided. I hate healers, and I know the value of a heal and expect a heal to be used when the time comes to use it. I hate people who do NOTHING but SPAM heals endlessly.
It's really that simple.
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This.
If you're an empath, and you're on my team, you better be using your buffs , healing when appropriate, and blasting.
Else I'm kicking your gimp [censored].
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As long as the team is doing fine, I don't care what any particular person does. I personally find it stupid to expect somebody to play a certain way.
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And this is where you jump the shark. You accuse people of "hating healers" and point to Empaths who do the exact opposite, but equally stupid thing, to support your position that "a healer is helpful".
Most people who hate healers aren't saying that healing is bad and should be avoided. I hate healers, and I know the value of a heal and expect a heal to be used when the time comes to use it. I hate people who do NOTHING but SPAM heals endlessly.
It's really that simple.
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The trouble is you are arguing with phantoms. So far in this thread no one has said they think a player who stands in the back and only heals is pulling their weight. The closest you can get is someone who said that he'd prefer a Empath who turned on auto aura to one who turned on auto blasts, which is kind of like saying he prefers skinning his knee to getting a splinter.
If there are people who believe in pacifist healers who exist, they are either laying low, avoiding this thread, or not interested posting. Regardless, inventing them out of people who use the word "healer" while explaining that they do not think it means "only healing" is fruitless.
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And this is where you jump the shark. You accuse people of "hating healers" and point to Empaths who do the exact opposite, but equally stupid thing, to support your position that "a healer is helpful".
Most people who hate healers aren't saying that healing is bad and should be avoided. I hate healers, and I know the value of a heal and expect a heal to be used when the time comes to use it. I hate people who do NOTHING but SPAM heals endlessly.
It's really that simple.
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The trouble is you are arguing with phantoms. So far in this thread no one has said they think a player who stands in the back and only heals is pulling their weight. The closest you can get is someone who said that he'd prefer a Empath who turned on auto aura to one who turned on auto blasts, which is kind of like saying he prefers skinning his knee to getting a splinter.
If there are people who believe in pacifist healers who exist, they are either laying low, avoiding this thread, or not interested posting. Regardless, inventing them out of people who use the word "healer" while explaining that they do not think it means "only healing" is fruitless.
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I'll take a healer(the bad kind) almost anytime I'm doing normal PvE missions. I'll just use them as perma-fillers.
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I'll take a healer(the bad kind) almost anytime I'm doing normal PvE missions. I'll just use them as perma-fillers.
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I wish I could be that laid back! They annoy me too much, I don't like my fillers holding up the start of the mission with "gather" and saying silly things like "stay close for heals." 
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I don't like my fillers holding up the start of the mission with "gather"
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Somehow when I play my Ill/Emp I get hot under the collar about healing. I've called someone 'The Grand Noobah of the City Built On Aura Rock 'n Roll'.
Funny, when I'm playing my Kin/Rad Defender I'm either having far too much fun SBing everybody, or soloing, which is hilarity in itself.
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Casting (Buff name here) on myself in 5 seconds. Get close if you want to bathe in my awsomeness.
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The moral of the story is PuG's are worthless and if you participate in them you're pretty much asking to fail.
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Boy, it's a good thing everybody that plays has the luxury of a developed group to play with on call at all hours.
Oh wait, they don't.
I guess those of us normal folk just have to get by with what's available.
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I've never had a static party. Never had a particularly supportive SG (never particularly threw myself at one either, so not complaining). For me, PUGs are where the rubber meets the road; I'd get bored playing with the same ATs all the time.
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That's pretty much how I feel. Most of the regulars I played with quit after ED and GDN. The ones that stayed through that quit after the issue 13 PvP cluster [censored]. The only teams I get now are PUGs because I tend to play some odd hours. I personally like PUGs. I think it's more of a challenge in a game that has few challenges left.
If anything, PUGs have made me more tolerant of bad players. Too bad not everybody can look so kindly on others.
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Tolerance just lets them fester. I'll give advice to lowbies, but half the time they just ignore me or tell me off, so I really see it as pointless in most cases.
I'm not saying all pugs are bad, but I've found that for every time I've ever found a good pug, I've found at least 6 that imploded massively on the first pull due to sheer incompetence.
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