What has happened to this game? (Freedom)

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Ares, there's a very good bit of advice found in a book about writing professionally, and I think that it applies to pretty much everything online:

"If one person gives a disparaging remark, it's their opinion. If 10 people do so, it might be time to look into their complaints."

So far you've seen plenty of ways that other people have directly found teams, and direct evidence that there ARE people playing, teaming, and doing the typical things that we all do in this game. The fact that you're "not" finding them, seems to be because you aren't doing those things.

** Get on a global chat channel that actually has people on it. Not one that your friends might have been on at one point but they don't play any more.

** Get in a supergroup that has people on it all the time. Not a big deal to find one on Freedom, I would expect.

** Search your server's forum threads about teaming, task forces/strike forces, groups, and events.

** Arrange pvp in your forum threads in the time and zone you're most likely to be on. By making the first move, people will follow YOU. By waiting, you're going to be twiddling your thumbs for a long time.

Standing around for 20 minutes yelling 'lft!' isn't going to cut it. Being polite and asking people first before sending a blind invite is good. Being *respectful* of people who "don't pug" is nice too, you don't need to assume that they're being snarky or having their noses stuck in the air at you, they *don't like teaming*. Move on. There are plenty of people playing.

So yeah, so far, it's been 'you' here, and no fault of the game or anyone playing on it. People are back to playing in different zones - gosh that's why there are so MANY zones... Because there's content in them. AE farming is gimped now, good. That means that the AE will be used for it's intended purpose of having people write great stories and entertain themselves with it, instead of merely rocketing through the levels. Pvp? Has long been considered a joke in this game, and pretty much everywhere on all servers pvp is way down from what it had been, especially with the 'nerfs' encouraging other folks like myself to head into the zones or participate on a more fair basis. Redside has *always* been more empty than blue. I don't know what time of day you're trying to play, but some hours are just less busy than others.

All of those things, you can easily change by creating a hero - or waiting for the GR update, that may change the dynamics a LOT.

But waiting for things to happen for you, not gonna work. Go down to the forum area and start something up yourself. You may be surprised at how many people are interested, even if it might take some time and effort to get rolling. Hell if we can do it on Protector, you can do it on Freedom.

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As for you, if you seriously think i'm going to read a long [censored] post which I am betting is just a long insult, you are very wrong...spark notes version?

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You can make a highly functional build without stamina.

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Ok, let's take this ball and run with it. What build is "highly functional" without Stamina? On what AT? And don't say regen; tell us something new. After all, the canon argument is that no one needs Stamina; one of the real thigh-slappers I remember was that people who picked up Fitness are "greedy."

And even if you can think up a build, how does that address all the others that cannot move three steps in any direction without it? Rhetorical question only, there.

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From the characters of mine, lets say mid 20s and up

No Stamina on:
Emp/elec (at 50)
Mind/Ice dom (though she is getting it later)
Ice/FF troller
Peacebringer (Mainly stays in Squid form so stamina is of very limited use)
Mercs/Traps MM (No travel power either)
TA/Archery Defender (may grab it if I have spare power picks)
Archery/NRG blaster (stamina on one build, not on his second)

Of those the emp, the dom and the blaster have click powers that affect the blue bar refill or use.

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You can make a highly functional build without stamina.

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Ok, let's take this ball and run with it. What build is "highly functional" without Stamina? On what AT? And don't say regen; tell us something new. After all, the canon argument is that no one needs Stamina; one of the real thigh-slappers I remember was that people who picked up Fitness are "greedy."

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Also, right now I've got an early-20s Dark/Dark scrapper who, while I expected to need Fitness on... doesn't need it (or at least "not yet.")

Swift- for fast, non END using, non Sprint in-mission movement.
Using only the shields I need. (No death shroud right now TBH.)
Only IO is a KB resist that dropped... which keeps me from needing Acro.

Could she use it later? Possibly. But I'm not playing slowly, nor am I gasping for breath after every fight.

Similarly, as I recall, my Ice/Psy dom doesn't need it. Don't believe I have it on my Mind/Fire or Emp/Rad, either.

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You can make a highly functional build without stamina.

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Ok, let's take this ball and run with it. What build is "highly functional" without Stamina? On what AT? And don't say regen; tell us something new. After all, the canon argument is that no one needs Stamina; one of the real thigh-slappers I remember was that people who picked up Fitness are "greedy."

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And even if you can think up a build, how does that address all the others that cannot move three steps in any direction without it? Rhetorical question only, there.

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Guess im gonna just play warshades from now on...

[/ QUOTE ] Plently of powersets give end management tools. She just asked for an example and I gave the first one that came to mind.

I'm not saying going without stamina is the best option, I'm just saying its a perfectly viable way to build. Unless you make a Warshade, then going without stamina is the best option(IMO).

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As for you, if you seriously think i'm going to read a long [censored] post which I am betting is just a long insult, you are very wrong...spark notes version?

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Yep, just one more post proving that you are the problem and not anyone else.

Keep digging yourself deeper. You'll hit China soon enough.

I've specced out of Stamina on almost every single 40+ character I have, and never had stamina on my TA/Electric defender ever. They're still more than functional.

When you come in gunnin for insults, you get them.

Take the time to read the post. I was very careful to outline things that are positive, and make sure that the bases are covered.

I think perhaps that this "tl;dr;it's an insult anyway I bet" attitude IS the problem you're having in the game too. You're not waiting for the responses, and you're not paying attention to their meaning when you get them.

Go back and read. Impliment the solutions given. Be patient.

Or, just whine about my post count and how I'm nerfing your thread... *sigh* whatever.

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As if any of you even understand what is being said here. I said I couldn't find a team on one specific occasion

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... and then tried being disparaging when someone *cough* went on the exact same server, within minutes of your post, and found plenty of folks willing and waiting to team. Were it not against (or at least very grey in) the forum rules, I'd have happily posted the character names of those people so you could /tell them and ask to team.

I saw no lack of "LFT" broadcasts, as well, in Cap as I went about my business either. Again, jumping from Marshall Brass to the PVP zone liason to do the talk to mission and back, I saw enough unique (as in non repeated) LFT broadcasts to have formed a near-full team if I'd so chosen to.

What your issue is, opportunity for snarky remark about that aside, I couldn't say.

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Dude, when I made the post I wasn't lft, it was addressing my experiences since coming back as compared to four months ago...man how can I put this in layman's terms for you people? You in particular do not seem to understand that it is no specific instance or day, it is that generally it is tougher to find a team. Plain and simple. As simple as I can put it.

But we still think you're wrong about that.

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As if any of you even understand what is being said here. I said I couldn't find a team on one specific occasion

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... and then tried being disparaging when someone *cough* went on the exact same server, within minutes of your post, and found plenty of folks willing and waiting to team. Were it not against (or at least very grey in) the forum rules, I'd have happily posted the character names of those people so you could /tell them and ask to team.

I saw no lack of "LFT" broadcasts, as well, in Cap as I went about my business either. Again, jumping from Marshall Brass to the PVP zone liason to do the talk to mission and back, I saw enough unique (as in non repeated) LFT broadcasts to have formed a near-full team if I'd so chosen to.

What your issue is, opportunity for snarky remark about that aside, I couldn't say.

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Dude, when I made the post I wasn't lft, it was addressing my experiences since coming back as compared to four months ago...man how can I put this in layman's terms for you people? You in particular do not seem to understand that it is no specific instance or day, it is that generally it is tougher to find a team. Plain and simple. As simple as I can put it.

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As if any of you even understand what is being said here. I said I couldn't find a team on one specific occasion

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... and then tried being disparaging when someone *cough* went on the exact same server, within minutes of your post, and found plenty of folks willing and waiting to team. Were it not against (or at least very grey in) the forum rules, I'd have happily posted the character names of those people so you could /tell them and ask to team.

I saw no lack of "LFT" broadcasts, as well, in Cap as I went about my business either. Again, jumping from Marshall Brass to the PVP zone liason to do the talk to mission and back, I saw enough unique (as in non repeated) LFT broadcasts to have formed a near-full team if I'd so chosen to.

What your issue is, opportunity for snarky remark about that aside, I couldn't say.

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Dude, when I made the post I wasn't lft, it was addressing my experiences since coming back as compared to four months ago...man how can I put this in layman's terms for you people? You in particular do not seem to understand that it is no specific instance or day, it is that generally it is tougher to find a team. Plain and simple. As simple as I can put it.

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"Dude," I can find a team at any point, any time.

And no, to head off any chance of this being brought up, it's not because I'm a "forum name." Fewer than 10% of the population is on the server, and I don't name every character some variant of my forum name - it's not even my global *on either account.* Nor do I advertise who my characters are. Yet through two separate means (the search tab and just LFT broadcasts that came in,) I could've thrown two near-full teams together.

YOU, on the most heavily populated server, the same one I hopped on, couldn't.

I could do the same thing right now and you'd probably call it "not valid because it's a weekend" or some nonsense like that.

The issue is not the population or how difficult it is in general to find a team.

Edit: I'm half suspecting your definition of "Find a team" is "Fill up a full 8 person team before I get started or it doesn't count."

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I don't know whether to give this thread 1 star for the OP or 5 stars for all the replies others have made (excluding B_I, of course).

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But we still think you're wrong about that.

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wrong about my own experiences on my server...i dont think so

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Ok, let's take this ball and run with it. What build is "highly functional" without Stamina? On what AT? And don't say regen; tell us something new. After all, the canon argument is that no one needs Stamina; one of the real thigh-slappers I remember was that people who picked up Fitness are "greedy."

And even if you can think up a build, how does that address all the others that cannot move three steps in any direction without it? Rhetorical question only, there.

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Just like you tend to ignore certain parts or entire posts, I will choose to ignore the rhetorical question part.

I will choose 3 of my characters which I've managed to get to post-35 and 1 of which is on its way.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 34 Science Dominator
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Psionic Assault
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed

Unbelievable, but yes, I got this character up there. Mind you, pre level 25 IOs, this character never got played unless I got a team. That means that between levels 10-22, this character never soloed. No stamina either, between Drain Psyche and Domination, there was no need for it. I never rest in missions. The rest of the builds I'll post will indeed have their fully slotted powers, this one didn't, all I need are two powers to go without stamina.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 40 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Necromancy
Secondary Power Set: Trick Arrow
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed

Slotting with the fact that I didn't want Stamina on this build, I placed end red in almost every secondary power. This one is tough to play without Stamina, I will not deny that, but it is far from impossible. Having to rest once, maybe twice in a mission? That's perfectly acceptable to me. Interestingly enough, if I play smart and hold the Longbow Flamethrowers, or whatever other enemy that has AoE negates my need to rest.

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 37 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Ninjas
Secondary Power Set: Traps
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed

This build forgoes a genin or two, but that's ok with me. If my ninjas stay within my force field generator, they will not suffer all that many casualties. I will admit, I do need to use rest on this character, whenever I have to face an EB or higher. But I can live with that.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

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Level 25 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed

Stygian cycle and the forms inherent recovery rate (which mind you, is weaker than Stamina) is all I need. But this is a special case, even if I had Stamina, it wouldn't matter as I spend most of my time in either one of my two forms.

So, there you go, four builds that I actually play and have experience with (not just theorycraft) that do not have, nor will ever need Stamina. Or are you gonna say Masterminds don't count? Or that I'm lying? Cause man, I sure don't know what I'd do if my play experiences are fake!

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As if any of you even understand what is being said here. I said I couldn't find a team on one specific occasion

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... and then tried being disparaging when someone *cough* went on the exact same server, within minutes of your post, and found plenty of folks willing and waiting to team. Were it not against (or at least very grey in) the forum rules, I'd have happily posted the character names of those people so you could /tell them and ask to team.

I saw no lack of "LFT" broadcasts, as well, in Cap as I went about my business either. Again, jumping from Marshall Brass to the PVP zone liason to do the talk to mission and back, I saw enough unique (as in non repeated) LFT broadcasts to have formed a near-full team if I'd so chosen to.

What your issue is, opportunity for snarky remark about that aside, I couldn't say.

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Dude, when I made the post I wasn't lft, it was addressing my experiences since coming back as compared to four months ago...man how can I put this in layman's terms for you people? You in particular do not seem to understand that it is no specific instance or day, it is that generally it is tougher to find a team. Plain and simple. As simple as I can put it.

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"Dude," I can find a team at any point, any time.

And no, to head off any chance of this being brought up, it's not because I'm a "forum name." Fewer than 10% of the population is on the server, and I don't name every character some variant of my forum name - it's not even my global *on either account.* Nor do I advertise who my characters are. Yet through two separate means (the search tab and just LFT broadcasts that came in,) I could've thrown two near-full teams together.

YOU, on the most heavily populated server, the same one I hopped on, couldn't.

I could do the same thing right now and you'd probably call it "not valid because it's a weekend" or some nonsense like that.

The issue is not the population or how difficult it is in general to find a team.

Edit: I'm half suspecting your definition of "Find a team" is "Fill up a full 8 person team before I get started or it doesn't count."

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Currently on a team of 5 with a lousy healer because there are like 2 healers around my level lft right now...And i sent a tell to every single 1. Go ahead, make a lvl 22 team right now, Red Side.

Once again, how many Farm builds/PvP builds can go without stamina?? Regen Scrapper? I think not, especially when you are facing off against a really sturdy brute. Fire/kin trollers with transference? Maybe if u are io'd out and slotted for some major rech, tried it before without stam, it sucked terribly. Give me more terrible builds to play without stam please. Do any of you people actually play the damn game? Log into freedom on a busy day, ask, would you guys like for there to be no need for stam, but rather have it as something that just adds to endo? Then ask, do you find it harder to find a team these days? These are things i discuss daily on my server, the information is there, the problem is, all you forum [censored] rarely play on freedom

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Currently on a team of 5 with a lousy healer because there are like 2 healers around my level lft right now...And i sent a tell to every single 1. Go ahead, make a lvl 22 team right now, Red Side.

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This is a problem I find that is very much prevalent blueside and almost non-existent redside. You don't "need" a healer, or any archetype for that matter. Let me give an example: I ran a Moonfire TF with my Warshade a few days ago with: 3 scrappers, a blaster, and 3 Defenders. The defenders were Trick Arrow, Sonic Resonance, and Cold Domination. That means we had absolutely no heal and no Tanker. We still completed the TF in a reasonable amount of time (between an hour and a half and two hours, not entirely sure) with only four deaths throughout the whole TF.

Some of my characters

Those aren't terrible builds. They just not optimized.

If you're looking for absolute optimization, then yes, Stamina is required to reach a level of optimization you are looking for. That's already been mentioned previously.

I'm confused as to what you're looking for? You want someone to show you an optimized PvP build, or a farming build, without Stamina? And one that you personally don't think sucks?

And when we do (Warshade), you'll make the assumption that you must now only play Warshades? Well, if you want an optimized build without Stamina, yeah, you'd pretty much have to play a specific build, AT, etc. That's what you ASKED for.

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Ok, let's take this ball and run with it. What build is "highly functional" without Stamina? On what AT? And don't say regen; tell us something new. After all, the canon argument is that no one needs Stamina; one of the real thigh-slappers I remember was that people who picked up Fitness are "greedy."

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That depends entirely on what you perceive to be a "highly functional build." I tend to view "highly functional" as something which functions exceedingly well under normal circumstances, which is even con enemies, using all powers provided to you (including Rest) and moving at a good pace. I'm not sure why that is, but it seems that many people perceive normal circumstances to be constant running, non-stop attacks, fighting enemies as high level as possible and never having to worry about health or energy to any significant extent.

The former is exceptionally easy to attain - slot powers for endurance reduction, especially those which cost little but recharge VERY quickly and double-slot those the cost of which approach a fifth of your endurance bar. Carry blues, rest, pick your attacks, slow down. It's not just doable, it's very easy, but it's just not enough for some people. I happen to believe that if you want exceptional performance, you pay the price, and part of that price is Stamina. It's unpleasant, but it comes with the territory.

As for what you can make that doesn't need Stamina, I'd say anything with a damage focus. This means Scrappers (including Scrappers OTHER than Regenration and Willpower), Blasters, Brutes, Masterminds, Stalkers and, from the looks of it, Dominators some day soon. Scrappers and Brutes tend to be easy because you can afford to slow down, Blasters tend to be fairly simple because you can kill really, really quickly, and Masterminds because they're just plain overpowered. Oh, and Stalkers, because they, again, can kill pretty quickly AND can slow down as necessary.

I could share builds if you're interested. Of the five 50s I have right now only a Stone/Stone Brute has Stamina, and this was given to him long after he reached 50 for lack of a Stone-based Patron pool. The others, an Energy/Energy Brute, Ar/Dev/Munitions Blaster, Energy/Energy/Force Blaster and Katana/SR Scrapper, all do without, with the Scrapper running Focused Fighting, Focused Senses, Evasion, Combat Jumping and Focused Accuracy, all without Stamina and, for the most part, even without Conserve Power, which is done more often than it's up.

It's easily doable. It's all a question of what you actually want to do.

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Once again, how many Farm builds/PvP builds can go without stamina?? Regen Scrapper? I think not, especially when you are facing off against a really sturdy brute. Fire/kin trollers with transference? Maybe if u are io'd out and slotted for some major rech, tried it before without stam, it sucked terribly. Give me more terrible builds to play without stam please.

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Currently on a team of 5 with a lousy healer because there are like 2 healers around my level lft right now...And i sent a tell to every single 1. Go ahead, make a lvl 22 team right now, Red Side.

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This is a problem I find that is very much prevalent blueside and almost non-existent redside. You don't "need" a healer, or any archetype for that matter. Let me give an example: I ran a Moonfire TF with my Warshade a few days ago with: 3 scrappers, a blaster, and 3 Defenders. The defenders were Trick Arrow, Sonic Resonance, and Cold Domination. That means we had absolutely no heal and no Tanker. We still completed the TF in a reasonable amount of time (between an hour and a half and two hours, not entirely sure) with only four deaths throughout the whole TF.

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I have everyone on my team that would come...4 people total right now, trying to get more.

There seems to be a problem already: we don't have "healers" in this game.

And redside didn't even have much in the way of "healing damage" to begin with.

You keep shooting yourself in the foot. You're ON a team. If you think the team is going a bad direction, then *take control of it* if you have the tact. I doubt you do, but there's always "leading" ... be a good leader, people will follow you.

If you're doing good enough damage, and *thinking*, instead of relying upon a healer to suck down the damage being done to you, the game's a cakewalk with almost any set of at's on a team.

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Those aren't terrible builds. They just not optimized.

If you're looking for absolute optimization, then yes, Stamina is required to reach a level of optimization you are looking for. That's already been mentioned previously.

I'm confused as to what you're looking for? You want someone to show you an optimized PvP build, or a farming build, without Stamina? And one that you personally don't think sucks?

And when we do (Warshade), you'll make the assumption that you must now only play Warshades? Well, if you want an optimized build without Stamina, yeah, you'd pretty much have to play a specific build, AT, etc. That's what you ASKED for.

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I'm primarily a pvper and I pretty much always need stamina for dueling and such.

Why are you trying to get more?


Just *play*. Use your brain, use tactics suitable to the powersets you have available!

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As if any of you even understand what is being said here. I said I couldn't find a team on one specific occasion

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... and then tried being disparaging when someone *cough* went on the exact same server, within minutes of your post, and found plenty of folks willing and waiting to team. Were it not against (or at least very grey in) the forum rules, I'd have happily posted the character names of those people so you could /tell them and ask to team.

I saw no lack of "LFT" broadcasts, as well, in Cap as I went about my business either. Again, jumping from Marshall Brass to the PVP zone liason to do the talk to mission and back, I saw enough unique (as in non repeated) LFT broadcasts to have formed a near-full team if I'd so chosen to.

What your issue is, opportunity for snarky remark about that aside, I couldn't say.

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Dude, when I made the post I wasn't lft, it was addressing my experiences since coming back as compared to four months ago...man how can I put this in layman's terms for you people? You in particular do not seem to understand that it is no specific instance or day, it is that generally it is tougher to find a team. Plain and simple. As simple as I can put it.

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"Dude," I can find a team at any point, any time.

And no, to head off any chance of this being brought up, it's not because I'm a "forum name." Fewer than 10% of the population is on the server, and I don't name every character some variant of my forum name - it's not even my global *on either account.* Nor do I advertise who my characters are. Yet through two separate means (the search tab and just LFT broadcasts that came in,) I could've thrown two near-full teams together.

YOU, on the most heavily populated server, the same one I hopped on, couldn't.

I could do the same thing right now and you'd probably call it "not valid because it's a weekend" or some nonsense like that.

The issue is not the population or how difficult it is in general to find a team.

Edit: I'm half suspecting your definition of "Find a team" is "Fill up a full 8 person team before I get started or it doesn't count."

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Currently on a team of 5 with a lousy healer because there are like 2 healers around my level lft right now...And i sent a tell to every single 1. Go ahead, make a lvl 22 team right now, Red Side.

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Boom. 3 person team, myself (corruptor,) Dominator, brute. Solid team core. Total time - perhaps 3 minutes, waiting on replies from five people while we start the mission.

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