What has happened to this game? (Freedom)
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Aisynia,
Posted on: 2009-05-15 16:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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Okay, now that I have ignored most of the people that are not referring to the topic, maybe I can make some sense of this. So back to the topic. I have noticed that it is harder to find a team compared to 4 months ago, and pvp has gone down.Why is that?
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So you refuse to answer the question, "What makes it so much harder for you?"
I put my money where my mouth was. Went onto Freedom. Formed a team in a matter of minutes. Rolled with said team, adding people as needed. Finished most of a mission arc.
It is not harder to find a team than it is 4 months or 4 years ago.
Answer the questions I posted.
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Well, but wait a minute. The argument I see all the time [not necessarily from you, just sayin'] is that "no one needs Stamina and only lazy/greedy people pick it up."
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Your hyperbole aside, a long time ago (pre-i9 and Inventions I think) Arcanaville made a run-and-gun Martial Arts Scrapper (non-regen) without Stamina by using multiple EndReds, just to show it could be done.
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Okay, now that I have ignored most of the people that are not referring to the topic, maybe I can make some sense of this. So back to the topic. I have noticed that it is harder to find a team compared to 4 months ago, and pvp has gone down.Why is that?
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In many cases you have made a wise choice. One of your ignorees is one of the worst flamers on these forums, who has been Ignored by me since the first week I signed up. Others are not so bad really, but when they see a chance to dogpile, well.... they're not about to pass that up.
Some Forumistas here believe that one should only say things in a way that they find personally acceptable. Bah. Ridiculous.
As for teaming, I have not noticed that it is harder these days myself. Might be your server.
PvP has greatly decreased due to changes in i13. The effects of those changes has been greatly debated, with opinions being widely polarized. I mostly arena PvP, so its not that big of a deal to me, I despise open-zone PvP.
But the changes did screw up how I went about getting Shivans, and I am upset about that. C'est la vie.
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Okay, now that I have ignored most of the people that are not referring to the topic, maybe I can make some sense of this. So back to the topic. I have noticed that it is harder to find a team compared to 4 months ago, and pvp has gone down.Why is that?
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So you refuse to answer the question, "What makes it so much harder for you?"
I put my money where my mouth was. Went onto Freedom. Formed a team in a matter of minutes. Rolled with said team, adding people as needed. Finished most of a mission arc.
It is not harder to find a team than it is 4 months or 4 years ago.
Answer the questions I posted.
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Now you can read it. So answer his question.
Maybe he's used to highly effective 5+ man teams instantly forming around him while loading.
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Well, but wait a minute. The argument I see all the time [not necessarily from you, just sayin'] is that "no one needs Stamina and only lazy/greedy people pick it up."
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Maybe that's your problem here. That isn't the argument people are making.
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As Samuel said, I think the definition of "highly functional" is the problem. I think some people are calling being able to fire off three attacks in a row while teamed, "highly functional." That's not my definition.
My definition of "highly functional" is "able to stand there for ten minutes straight pounding on an AV such as Romulus + his Nictus pals, or the entire Freedumb Phalanx at once, without huffing, puffing, begging for blues, having all my toggles dropped, or any of the other bad things that occur when END bottoms out."
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That's a pretty big spread you bring up there. Three attacks without Stamina, 10 minutes of non-stop action with it.
I had no idea a 50% increase in endurance recovery would give you a 5,000% increase in efficiency. 
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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Absurdity into self-parody and finally farce.
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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Then he wont' see this. See, I took up his challenge, and proved him wrong. Therefore -
Translation of the quoted post:
"Waaaah, I can't make a team, nobody loves me, what do you mean you can in minutes, you're a meanie, waaaaah!"
If he doesn't want constructive posts... he shouldn't post. Because all I'm hearing from him at this point is a spoiled little brat who, when proven *wrong,* just wants to stick his fingers in his ears and scream, making sure he learns nothing and annoys everyone.
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Off topic.
B_I said this:
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One of your ignorees is one of the worst flamers on these forums, who has been Ignored by me since the first week I signed up.
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I'm wondering how she managed to put herself on her ignore list.
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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What, can't handle being shown you're wrong? You, sir, are the DEFINITION of fail.
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So, just logged off. Ran almost all of Darrin Wade's arc, with a team varying in size from 3-5 people, 22-25. All of which would fit perfectly fine on any "level 22" team. Took less effort than it has to write this post. Three people, including me, levelled.
I don't see the difficulty. It sure wasn't "tough" in the slightest. It wasn't "tougher" than it has been, certainly. If you look at my reg date, I started about a week earlier than that, and have been here since. I've made my share of teams in that time to compare this to. (And congrats, this is one of the few times I refer to or give a rat's rear about my reg date, because at least in this case, it's relevant.)
So again - I don't know what your difficulty is, unless you're putting such extreme restrictions on yourself that you'll, frankly, never be satisfied.
Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?" To use your own words:
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Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me.
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Yes, I did. And I got a team. And kept a team going throughout the majority of a mission arc, and it was certainly not difficult.
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Hmmm, he can make a team in minutes and keep it going.
You whine it's "difficult."
I think I see where the problem is... it's called ArestheImpaler.
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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences? I have heard numerous people saying it is hard to find a team and keep one together, also the pvp pop has obviously gone south! Prove me wrong on either of these. in order to prove me wrong on the first thing you need to go into my memory and tell me that i never had experiences when a team was simply not available...You people just agree with each other regardless of how idiotic it is...apparently that is the society we all live in.
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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Absurdity into self-parody and finally farce.
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And loling, step into the sun
There's more to read than can ever be seen
More to type than can ever be posted
There's far too much to take in here
More to find than can ever be searched
But the post counts are high
Through the sapphire sky
Keeps great and small on the endless round
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As Samuel said, I think the definition of "highly functional" is the problem. I think some people are calling being able to fire off three attacks in a row while teamed, "highly functional." That's not my definition.
My definition of "highly functional" is "able to stand there for ten minutes straight pounding on an AV such as Romulus + his Nictus pals, or the entire Freedumb Phalanx at once, without huffing, puffing, begging for blues, having all my toggles dropped, or any of the other bad things that occur when END bottoms out."
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That's a pretty big spread you bring up there. Three attacks without Stamina, 10 minutes of non-stop action with it.
I had no idea a 50% increase in endurance recovery would give you a 5,000% increase in efficiency.
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Of course Stamina is not the only factor in being able to stand up to an AV without having one's Endurance crash. It's a big one, though. Every time I look at someone who is having problems in situations like this, I pull up their power sheet and lo! They never have Fitness. Not much of a surprise, really.
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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences?
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What people are saying is the reason you can't find teams is your own fault, and do not stem from your imagined causes.
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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences?
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Ah, this is the beauty of these forums: others who have never met you or seen your playstyle know far more than you do, about issues pertaining to you. 
Talk about "fail," that's fail right there.
"Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh t" comes in handy during such episodes.
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So... You read Bill's post, then dismissed it out of hand and went on with the discussion as if his post had no meaning or worth?
Tactful. Fail.
-Rachel-
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If you mean me, Bill has been ignored since before his last post, thank god.
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What, can't handle being shown you're wrong? You, sir, are the DEFINITION of fail.
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So, just logged off. Ran almost all of Darrin Wade's arc, with a team varying in size from 3-5 people, 22-25. All of which would fit perfectly fine on any "level 22" team. Took less effort than it has to write this post. Three people, including me, levelled.
I don't see the difficulty. It sure wasn't "tough" in the slightest. It wasn't "tougher" than it has been, certainly. If you look at my reg date, I started about a week earlier than that, and have been here since. I've made my share of teams in that time to compare this to. (And congrats, this is one of the few times I refer to or give a rat's rear about my reg date, because at least in this case, it's relevant.)
So again - I don't know what your difficulty is, unless you're putting such extreme restrictions on yourself that you'll, frankly, never be satisfied.
Do you require everyone to be the exact same level?
Do you require an 8 person team?
Do you require one of each AT, or any specific ATs/powersets?
What is so much more difficult for you when it comes to forming teams? This is not "snark," this is an honest question. What are you doing, looking for, or expecting when you form teams that's making this "more difficult?" To use your own words:
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Also, gj, you did the same exact thing as me.
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Yes, I did. And I got a team. And kept a team going throughout the majority of a mission arc, and it was certainly not difficult.
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Hmmm, he can make a team in minutes and keep it going.
You whine it's "difficult."
I think I see where the problem is... it's called ArestheImpaler.
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PROVED WRONG?!!! Are you [censored] kidding me?!! How can anyone possibly prove me wrong about my own experiences? I have heard numerous people saying it is hard to find a team and keep one together, also the pvp pop has obviously gone south! Prove me wrong on either of these. in order to prove me wrong on the first thing you need to go into my memory and tell me that i never had experiences when a team was simply not available...You people just agree with each other regardless of how idiotic it is...apparently that is the society we all live in.
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You:
"It's more difficult to put a team together, blah blah blah."
Bill:
"No, it isn't."
You:
"Fine. Log on and put one together right now."
Bill does so in minutes, and keeps a team going for a story arc.
You: "I'm putting him on ignore! La la la! Thank god I don't have to see his post showing how easy it is still!"
He did precisely *what* you said, *where* you said and *when* you said, and it certainly didn't sound difficult in the least. He's also mentioned having years of doing such to compare the difficulty to.
This leads to one of three conclusions:
1. You are wrong, and don't want to admit it,
2. You aren't putting the same amount of effort into it, or have such strict standards (as he mentioned) they'll never be met, or
3. Judging by how you're acting here, so many people have you on ignore that they never see your team requests.
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
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Off topic.
B_I said this:
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One of your ignorees is one of the worst flamers on these forums, who has been Ignored by me since the first week I signed up.
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I'm wondering how she managed to put herself on her ignore list.
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I admit, I LOL'ed
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@Mr Falkland Islands"A Nation Goes Rogue" Arc# 2369 "Toasters and Pop Tarts" Arc#116617
^^^^ Oh stop defending your Forum Gods and let them respond to Ares' statements under their own power. they don't need your help, and if they do.... they're a lot less Uber than you seem to think.
You posted your experience. He posted his.
Finding a team is no harder -now- than it was before. If Bill (a player native to Pinnacle) can flip over to your home server and build a team -faster- than you that lasts -longer- than your team: It's not your server that has issues.
He asked if your teaming criteria might be too high. His was rather average.
If other people are not having trouble finding a team but you are: Perhaps the trouble isn't the teaming. Perhaps the problem rests on your own shoulders.
I knew a girl who used to stand under Atlas statue for 3 hours, not sending tells, not asking for a team, doing nothing. If she didn't get invited to a team then she'd log off and be upset all day. Does this mean that 'Teaming is Dead'? No. It means that she wasn't looking at all. Perhaps you're looking too hard or not hard enough?
-Rachel-
By the High Ones she does read like a valley girl!
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^^^^ Oh stop defending your Forum Gods and let them respond to Ares' statements under their own power. they don't need your help, and if they do.... they're a lot less Uber than you seem to think.
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Jealous?
And they're not "forum gods," oh she of lacking personality, populator of ignore lists across the forum.
He put up a challenge. The challenge was met, and exceeded. His answer - "You're on ignore!"
That's /fail, right there.
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
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You posted your experience. He posted his.
Finding a team is no harder -now- than it was before. If Bill (a player native to Pinnacle) can flip over to your home server and build a team -faster- than you that lasts -longer- than your team: It's not your server that has issues.
He asked if your teaming criteria might be too high. His was rather average.
If other people are not having trouble finding a team but you are: Perhaps the trouble isn't the teaming. Perhaps the problem rests on your own shoulders.
I knew a girl who used to stand under Atlas statue for 3 hours, not sending tells, not asking for a team, doing nothing. If she didn't get invited to a team then she'd log off and be upset all day. Does this mean that 'Teaming is Dead'? No. It means that she wasn't looking at all. Perhaps you're looking too hard or not hard enough?
-Rachel-
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Pfft, he won't read it, or answer. He's too busy saying it's difficult, despite the fact I put one together in no time on a character I haven't played in months.
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Once again, how many Farm builds/PvP builds can go without stamina?? Regen Scrapper? I think not, especially when you are facing off against a really sturdy brute. Fire/kin trollers with transference? Maybe if u are io'd out and slotted for some major rech, tried it before without stam, it sucked terribly. Give me more terrible builds to play without stam please.
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Well, but wait a minute. The argument I see all the time [not necessarily from you, just sayin'] is that "no one needs Stamina and only lazy/greedy people pick it up."
As Samuel said, I think the definition of "highly functional" is the problem. I think some people are calling being able to fire off three attacks in a row while teamed, "highly functional." That's not my definition.
My definition of "highly functional" is "able to stand there for ten minutes straight pounding on an AV such as Romulus + his Nictus pals, or the entire Freedumb Phalanx at once, without huffing, puffing, begging for blues, having all my toggles dropped, or any of the other bad things that occur when END bottoms out."
I am not here to fire off three attacks and then have to Rest while my team mates pick up my slack. I am here to act as a one person Weapon of Mass Destruction; this is my function and it is very high, admittedly. High function means I need a lot of Endurance and this is just me.... +End power choices are nice, but they nowhere near fill the bill that Fitness does. +End powers are grace-notes, not the foundation of my build. And these powers are almost never, or never, avaliable to me as a lowbie under level 20.
I think a lot of people, especially people blueside, don't see function that way. They're thinking those three piddly little attacks are all they need to do, so why would they need Stamina?
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