Discussion: 57 & 60 Month Veteran Rewards!
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Posted on: 2009-01-21 17:33 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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How many old timers are there still around to be able to get the 60 months Vet Reward during this year anyway? I'm due for late June.
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I've been here since 8 days into Retail.
Haven't ever left.
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Edit: What it breaks down to, in my eyes, is this: if a veteran pays $45 per reward and a new player pays $10 per reward, which customer would you rather have, and how do you get more of the former? Which player helps offset the cost of game development, the loyal fan who pays and plays, or the on-again-off-again fan who wants a discount?
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Seems to me the correct answer is both.
But if I had to choose, I'd probably favor the fly-by-night fan...
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Are you answering the same question I asked? I said which player helps offset the cost of game development? Are you sure that a player who maaaaaybe pays for 1 month out of every 12 is the one funding the game, more so than the one who pays for 12/12?
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I'm pointing out that the veteran is not paying $45 per reward: he's paying zero per reward. You already get his money whether or not he gets any reward. But the $10 you get from the fly-by-nighter is actually for the reward: you only get it if he gets the reward. And that's in addition to the cost for him to keep his account active long enough to purchase the shiny.
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To all those like myself whose glass just went from half-full to full,
WIN. To all those whose glass is seems is always half-empty, what would YOU suggest as a meaningful reward that doesn't alienate three quarters of the CoX population?
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Perhaps something outside the game mechanics completely, such as five server transfers...
Or, if the database and game engine could be made to support it, a slot that you could allocate to any one of your veteran powers -- being able to slot a Recharge enhancement in Assemble the Team, or an Accuracy enhancement in Nemesis Staff, or the like, would add variability to the effects. But I expect that's a lot harder to do, with the various database changes that would have to be made to allow it to happen.
"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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City Traveler Badge: Hit the ground running
this badge unlocks access to the following Power Pools at level 6, so players can access Tier 1, 2, or 3 powers early on.
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That doesn't make any sense... all power pools unlock at level 6. Do they unlock at another level, or have you dispensed with prerequisite powers for travel powers?
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I think he meant to say that at level 6 the tier three travel powers are unlocked as opposed to having to wait untel level 14 for them to be unlocked.
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I wonder if the tier 4 power will still require that you pick 2 before it, or if it will only require that one?
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There is no Tier 4.
There is the 1st Tier (Where you can pick two powers).
Then there is 2nd Tier, which requires that you have one of the 1st Tier powers and 12th level.
There there is the 3rd Tier, which requires 2 powers of 1st and 2nd Tier and 20th level.
So I'm not exactly sure how this unlock works. Does the badge allow you to unlock 2nd Tier and 6th level along with 1st Tier travel powers? And then you can get 3rd Tier at 12th Level?
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Of course there is a tier 4 - Group Fly, Group Teleport, Vengence, etc.
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I can already think of ways to make certain builds even better by simply dropping one travel power-pre req.
Of course if you never put anything in your pre-req than the default slot then, yeah you really aren't getting much back.
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It depends on the travel power. Hasten is useful enough to take for itself even if you don't take anything else from the Super Speed pool. For example, Air Superiority is an attack that has the useful characteristic of Knockdown, which puts the target on its back and not attacking -- but it requires that you be up in melee to use it; characters whose most effective role has them standing back from the melee only get use out of it if there's a leaker from the Tankers and Scrappers on a team; for them, another power would be of greater use to them, and this would free up that power choice. It also increases some of the flexibility in power choices in the low levels if you're taking Stamina early -- instead of trying to fit a travel power, its prerequisite, and three powers from the Fitness pool into the twelve powers you get by 20, you only need to find space for four. On the other hand, as you get up into the higher levels, having the power choice freed may not give you much of an advantage, depending on which powers you want to take and what levels they unlock at; you may find that, having been able to take powers two levels sooner because of not needing the travel power prerequisite, you're stuck at a higher level where the power choices open to you aren't ones you want.
"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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I think they should just allow people to buy Vet rewards early. That way you can wait get em for free, or if your one of the noobs screaming DOOOOM!! you can just open up your wallet and pay $5 per reward.
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Now wait a sec. I paid 720 dollars to get the 60 month reward after "waiting" for 5 years, and a newbie gets them all for $100. Granted I understand that would be upfront and I could see a discount being applied for shelling it out in a lump sum, but that is one hell of a disparity.
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Except that they wouldn't be getting the five years of game play that went along with your $720...
"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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So let's look at the two you can't easily replace with temp powers - Teleport and Super Speed. Teleport temp powers are rare and to the best of my knowledge not possible to attain on a permanent basis (for one Siren's Call has to be in your faction's control, and the other is a villain-only temp that's not renewable - yet, anyway).
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There's a hero-side teleport temp power that you get from one of the mid-20s contacts, I forget whom, but the power is a mixed bag -- you teleport and arrive phased, then phase in over a couple of seconds, and the power goes away when you turn in the mission. One of my characters hung onto the completed mission for more than a year just to be able to keep the power for its occasional utility.
"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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Been playing since closed beta and now you guys wait until I cancel my account to finally have a worthwhile Vet reward...
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Oh, so you were the one whose account the devs put the "No really good vet rewards while this account is live" flag on...
"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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There's also a very large number of players who were here during beta and release, quit after ED, but came back because they discovered that CoX is still the best MMOG they ever played.
Sadly, people like that aren't going to get the 60 month reward anytime soon. Because of my two-year hiatus, I've just gotten the 36 month one.
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You just described me perfectly. I started at closed beta
Technoid - Lvl 50 Ice/Device Blaster
Mind-Render Lvl 47 Illusion/Forcefield
Hot-Pants - Lvl 37 Fire/Fire Tanker
Mr Pointy - Lvl 33 Spines/Regen
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I wonder if the tier 4 power will still require that you pick 2 before it, or if it will only require that one?
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There is no Tier 4.
There is the 1st Tier (Where you can pick two powers).
Then there is 2nd Tier, which requires that you have one of the 1st Tier powers and 12th level.
There there is the 3rd Tier, which requires 2 powers of 1st and 2nd Tier and 20th level.
So I'm not exactly sure how this unlock works. Does the badge allow you to unlock 2nd Tier and 6th level along with 1st Tier travel powers? And then you can get 3rd Tier at 12th Level?
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Of course there is a tier 4 - Group Fly, Group Teleport, Vengence, etc.
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Something is badly worded here.
When you can pick either Hover or AS, that would be a "tier 1". If not...which one is "tier 1" and which one is "tier 2"?
The wording is causing some confusion. There are 4 powers but clearly only 3 "tiers".
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I'm pointing out that the veteran is not paying $45 per reward: he's paying zero per reward. You already get his money whether or not he gets any reward. But the $10 you get from the fly-by-nighter is actually for the reward: you only get it if he gets the reward. And that's in addition to the cost for him to keep his account active long enough to purchase the shiny.
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And how long would he have to keep his account open to compete with the amount of money the veteran contributed? That's my point. No matter how you break it down, the veteran has paid more money than the other guy.
I go to a sandwich store and buy 10 sandwiches at $5.00. I get my card punched. At 10 punches I get a free sandwich. My loyalty is being rewarded.
Someone else goes to the sandwich shop 1 time, buys 1 sandwich, and wants to pay $2.50 for an additional sandwich.
Who has contributed more?
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I wonder if the tier 4 power will still require that you pick 2 before it, or if it will only require that one?
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There is no Tier 4.
There is the 1st Tier (Where you can pick two powers).
Then there is 2nd Tier, which requires that you have one of the 1st Tier powers and 12th level.
There there is the 3rd Tier, which requires 2 powers of 1st and 2nd Tier and 20th level.
So I'm not exactly sure how this unlock works. Does the badge allow you to unlock 2nd Tier and 6th level along with 1st Tier travel powers? And then you can get 3rd Tier at 12th Level?
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Of course there is a tier 4 - Group Fly, Group Teleport, Vengence, etc.
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Those are each the 4th POWER in each pool, which is the Third Tier in the pool.
Powers 1&2 = Tier 1 (Recall Friend + TP Foe)
Power 2 = Tier 2 (Teleport)
Power 3 = Tier 3 (Group Teleport)
The first two powers are in their own tier, then the second power, then the third.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
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I go to a sandwich store and buy 10 sandwiches at $5.00. I get my card punched. At 10 punches I get a free sandwich. My loyalty is being rewarded.
Someone else goes to the sandwich shop 1 time, buys 1 sandwich, and wants to pay $2.50 for an additional sandwich.
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The Veteran's Rewards in this game do not work that way. You don't get a free week's playtime with every 3 months of time you purchase: you get access to in game badges/costumes/powers/abilities, mostly unique to the VR program.
By your lights, someone who goes into the sandwich store and orders a reuben would be told they have to buy ham and cheese sandwiches for a week before they can get access to pumpernickel bread. And you'd expect this to encourage the person to become a regular customer.
-D
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You're right. A sandwich is much better than a 50% discount at the tailor. We're being robbed.
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I wonder if the tier 4 power will still require that you pick 2 before it, or if it will only require that one?
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There is no Tier 4.
There is the 1st Tier (Where you can pick two powers).
Then there is 2nd Tier, which requires that you have one of the 1st Tier powers and 12th level.
There there is the 3rd Tier, which requires 2 powers of 1st and 2nd Tier and 20th level.
So I'm not exactly sure how this unlock works. Does the badge allow you to unlock 2nd Tier and 6th level along with 1st Tier travel powers? And then you can get 3rd Tier at 12th Level?
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Of course there is a tier 4 - Group Fly, Group Teleport, Vengence, etc.
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Those are each the 4th POWER in each pool, which is the Third Tier in the pool.
Powers 1&2 = Tier 1 (Recall Friend + TP Foe)
Power 2 = Tier 2 (Teleport)
Power 3 = Tier 3 (Group Teleport)
The first two powers are in their own tier, then the second power, then the third.
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Based on this logic there are no Tier 9 powers in any primary set in the game; since you are able to choose between the first and second powers in your primary set at level 1.
I think the problem lies with the fact that the term "tier" is an affectation used by players and developers alike but after a quick search through the CoH manual I see no reference to any power tiers.
Suffice it to say that per Positron's and Castles replies to this thread; the original announcement should have read as follows:
60 Months
City Traveler Badge: Hit the ground running
this badge unlocks access to the following Power Pools at level 6:
Flight
Superspeed
Teleport
Superleap
Players will have access to the first 3 powers early on without the normal prerequisite for selecting a travel power.
Much less ambiguity there.
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"Durability is the quintessential super-power. " -- Sailboat
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Okay, thanks for clarifying now.
So you ARE classifying powers into tiers by their numerical order.
Okay, I can live with that.
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Actually, its probably too strong of a statement to say that the devs "classify" powers into tiers conceptually. The word "tier" is just a convenient way to refer to the different powers in a set: it isn't intended to imply much beyond numerical order.
(The powers system doesn't have any real sense of "tier" - powers have Requirements which are essentially prerequsities. The primary, secondary, and pool powers all have minimum level requirements which can be adjusted by the powers designers. They don't assign "tiers" to them as such.)
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I explained why pretty well like two posts up. It's less a matter of 'hey here's a nice thing for players' and more a matter of 'the longer it continues the more the resources to make them are wasted on an ever-shrinking segment of the population, which will eventually reach a point where it'd make more sense to make things everyone can enjoy because the people who can benefit from them is disproportionate to the effort to add them'.
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I would have to object to the word "wasted" as used here. Connotation without demonstration. If its a genuine waste of resources, it should not be done regardless of the number of people its wasted on.
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In addition to their track record of actually giving a darn (in general) what their customers think, I'm a voice in a lot smaller crowd here than in the rest of the world. Out there, it'd be ludicrous to think that I could even make myself *heard* by those who control things, totally apart from their willingness to listen. Here, though, it's not nearly so impossible.
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There, I just made nearly certain that at least one dev will likely see this post. 
There's no way I could pull that off in real life.
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Unless you're a figment of my imagination, you did just pull that off in real life.
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In addition to their track record of actually giving a darn (in general) what their customers think, I'm a voice in a lot smaller crowd here than in the rest of the world. Out there, it'd be ludicrous to think that I could even make myself *heard* by those who control things, totally apart from their willingness to listen. Here, though, it's not nearly so impossible.
BABs Back Alley Brawler BAB Castle Posi Positron Sunstorm Blue Steel Pohsyb Ghost Widow War Witch
There, I just made nearly certain that at least one dev will likely see this post. There's no way I could pull that off in real life.
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Unless you're a figment of my imagination, you did just pull that off in real life.
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Huh. I always assumed the dev(s) of Real Life would keep a lower profile.
-D
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In addition to their track record of actually giving a darn (in general) what their customers think, I'm a voice in a lot smaller crowd here than in the rest of the world. Out there, it'd be ludicrous to think that I could even make myself *heard* by those who control things, totally apart from their willingness to listen. Here, though, it's not nearly so impossible.
BABs Back Alley Brawler BAB Castle Posi Positron Sunstorm Blue Steel Pohsyb Ghost Widow War Witch
There, I just made nearly certain that at least one dev will likely see this post. There's no way I could pull that off in real life.
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Unless you're a figment of my imagination, you did just pull that off in real life.
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Huh. I always assumed the dev(s) of Real Life would keep a lower profile.
-D
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Perhaps, you overestimate your own insignificance?
Whoa! When we complained the devs had "no imagination" witht he last few badges...
That is very clever!
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I wonder if the tier 4 power will still require that you pick 2 before it, or if it will only require that one?
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There is no Tier 4.
There is the 1st Tier (Where you can pick two powers).
Then there is 2nd Tier, which requires that you have one of the 1st Tier powers and 12th level.
There there is the 3rd Tier, which requires 2 powers of 1st and 2nd Tier and 20th level.
So I'm not exactly sure how this unlock works. Does the badge allow you to unlock 2nd Tier and 6th level along with 1st Tier travel powers? And then you can get 3rd Tier at 12th Level?
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Of course there is a tier 4 - Group Fly, Group Teleport, Vengence, etc.
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Those are each the 4th POWER in each pool, which is the Third Tier in the pool.
Powers 1&2 = Tier 1 (Recall Friend + TP Foe)
Power 2 = Tier 2 (Teleport)
Power 3 = Tier 3 (Group Teleport)
The first two powers are in their own tier, then the second power, then the third.
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As I said before, this is how I always thought about it. But, the point that in your primary you also choose either the first or the second power and there is still considered to be 9 tiers instead of 8 seems to counter this.
--Rad
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[u]57 Months[u]
Abiding Badge: 50% discount on all tailor sessions: Start out your new characters in style!
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As stated by numerous people (myself included) this vet reward seems a bit cheap. Fifty percent off at the tailor after 57 months, after you've earned numerous free tailoring sessions (not to mention the free ones we get occasionnaly) is pretty lack luster, not to mention near pointless.
Something that is close to this and would be greatly appreaciated, would be a facemaker/icon employee base detail, so we could change costumes in our bases. Or maybe an option to change costumes wherever we are.
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Edit: What it breaks down to, in my eyes, is this: if a veteran pays $45 per reward and a new player pays $10 per reward, which customer would you rather have, and how do you get more of the former? Which player helps offset the cost of game development, the loyal fan who pays and plays, or the on-again-off-again fan who wants a discount?
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Seems to me the correct answer is both.
But if I had to choose, I'd probably favor the fly-by-night fan...
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Are you answering the same question I asked? I said which player helps offset the cost of game development? Are you sure that a player who maaaaaybe pays for 1 month out of every 12 is the one funding the game, more so than the one who pays for 12/12?