Discussion: Castle Talks on w00t Studios Podcast!
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Posted on: 2008-10-07 17:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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3) Web Grenade is the power that is being replaced in Weapon Mastery.
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For PvE, that's probably the power I'd wanna drop, but it's a fairly big blow to scrappers in pvp.
I have a funny feeling web envelope is about to take the hit too though.
Any chance you guys could reconsider this? -jump -fly is one of the games only counters to the legions of pvpers running around with SS/SJ and 3 slotted hurdle and cj.
I am curious who took the Shuriken over Web Grenade in this case...one seems to be far far far more useful than the other.
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I am curious who took the Shuriken over Web Grenade in this case...one seems to be far far far more useful than the other.
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*raises hand*
...What?
Well, if I may add? Toss some -fly onto the Shurikens *shrug* Simple, no? Maybe make that only function in PvP.
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I'm honestly surprised Exploding Shuriken didn't get dropped. 19 end, 32 second recharge and all. I wouldn't think many people would take that.
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Try it with Hasten and full Positron Blast slotted for xtra energy damage. My scrapper use the shuriken in melee. Dragon Tail + Explosive Shuriken is nice. No redrawing of weapon. Its good also with Soul Drain+ Explosive Shuriken. Works great.
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1) Yes, outright changing powers is bad. Unfortunately, it's the only way we *could* proceed that met with the goals we had in mind, the technical limitations presented and the timeframe allowed. I hate "building cottages" but it was the only path in this circumstance.
2) I misspoke re: Weapon Mastery getting Focused Accuracy. It's Targeting Drone. Functionally, it's *identical* to FA, it just has the visuals and display name of TD.
3) Web Grenade is the power that is being replaced in Weapon Mastery.
4) Yes, various PPP's now have access to FA.
I'm certain a complete list of the changes will be up here on the forums within an hour of Beta starting (soon!(tm)) and I'm looking forward to the feedback (positive AND negative) at that time.
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What about the people who have set IOs, Hami's, or purples in the APPs and PPPs? Are we just going to lose them like when Gausens chance fo Build Up got deleated?
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I'm honestly surprised Exploding Shuriken didn't get dropped. 19 end, 32 second recharge and all. I wouldn't think many people would take that.
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Try it with Hasten and full Positron Blast slotted for xtra energy damage. My scrapper use the shuriken in melee. Dragon Tail + Explosive Shuriken is nice. No redrawing of weapon. Its good also with Soul Drain+ Explosive Shuriken. Works great.
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Focus + Shockwave + Shuriken + Explosive Shuriken
I'ma Blaster! It's quite fun, actually. Shuriken has a nice and low recharge, can spam it, along with focus.
So take Taunt, it has been rumored to include -range in the future...
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3) Web Grenade is the power that is being replaced in Weapon Mastery.
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This is makes it even harder for scrappers to force melee combat. Why would you want to nerf scrappers in this regard? One of the few means scrappers have to hit from range and slow/immobilize an opponent. This is a terrible choice. I'd love to hear your full thought process behind this move.
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I am curious who took the Shuriken over Web Grenade in this case...one seems to be far far far more useful than the other.
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I took the Shuriken. Its fast reloading and once slotted with Devastation Chance to Hold, you get a ranged hold that can be spammed very quickly with Hasten. I have surprised lot of squishies with that ranged Shuriken in PvP. They never expected that.
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I'm honestly surprised Exploding Shuriken didn't get dropped. 19 end, 32 second recharge and all. I wouldn't think many people would take that.
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Try it with Hasten and full Positron Blast slotted for xtra energy damage. My scrapper use the shuriken in melee. Dragon Tail + Explosive Shuriken is nice. No redrawing of weapon. Its good also with Soul Drain+ Explosive Shuriken. Works great.
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Still, though. The two other APPs have nearly the same damage, but significantly faster recharges and less end use. Granted, I know some people don't always like cones. Personal preference I suppose.
Although upon a second look, PvP aside, Web Grenade really is probably the thing I planned to skip on my Scrapper if I ever bother to get him to APP levels. On the other hand, I planned to skip Exploding, too.
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3. What is suppressed during a mez: Anything that is not a status protection will get suppressed. Exception: Kheldian flight will still fly, but speed is suppressed. Kheldian forms don't drop. Suppressed team buffs are suppressed for teammates.
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So, I just listened to this.
Castle: "There are some exceptions to that, like if you're in Nova form your flight won't get surpressed. Your fly speed does, but you will still stay hanging in the air, you just can't move.
Question: "Now is that true for regular Fly for other characters?"
Castle: "That is true for Combat Flight, but I don't think it's true for Flight".
While he could certainly be referring to only the Kheldian Combat Flight power here, it's worth noting that the internal name for Hover is also Combat Flight, so it is possible that he's also talking about Hover.
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*looks up at all the posts griping about losing Web Grenade*
*Laughs his [censored] off*
Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that they WOULDN'T get just as many complaints no matter WHICH power they replaced?
No matter what they change, or even if they changed nothing, they'd still piss off a lot of people. The only difference is who would be posting the angry letters.
The Devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Exactly. and you know what wise governments do in such situation usually? They just keep the status quo and go back to the working bench and try coming up with a better plan.
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No, that's why they never get anything DONE. They're always working on a "better plan" that never comes. It's how they stay safe in their jobs without pissing people off. They look like they're working, when they're really not.
At least our game designers have the balls to make decisions, unlike some I could mention.
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You can only buy it if your faction has control of the zone in sirens - and you only get 5. In the arena, having perma webnades is a huge advantace.
I would personally drop Trops or Shuriken instead of webnade
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Would having Web Grenade and a Focused Accuracy clone in the same Epic set be a good idea?
Wouldn't that become an extremely potent set for PvP?
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I think that really depends on what the PvP changes are. It might be for current PvP, but it's still on a melee AT.
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Very true, the PvP changes might change things drastically.
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1) Yes, outright changing powers is bad. Unfortunately, it's the only way we *could* proceed that met with the goals we had in mind, the technical limitations presented and the timeframe allowed. I hate "building cottages" but it was the only path in this circumstance.
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I know this is not something YOU want to think much about but how about simply expanding the Ancillary sets to include the new tools instead, giving them a tier 2.5 power that is available at the same level as the tier 1 and 2?
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re: Web Grenade
Can't you buy a temp power in Sirens' call that's Web Grenade? ((Sure pop some Yellows first))
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Or don't, since you now have Targetting Drone
Seriously, they didn't pick these willy nilly. They datamined first, and found everyone chased after FA from Body Mastery. Why not? It lets you see Stalkers and pound /SR characters.
(I don't have much sympathy for this so called melee/ranged divide, since everytime I got pwned in PVP, it was by a super-speeding tank who zipped past me with a Stun and then zipped past me again to finish me off)
Furthermore, you haven't even seen the PvP changes they've made to the game yet. And by god, they finally agreed to change the PPP. I don't want any griping to stop that, thankyouverymuch
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1) Yes, outright changing powers is bad. Unfortunately, it's the only way we *could* proceed that met with the goals we had in mind, the technical limitations presented and the timeframe allowed. I hate "building cottages" but it was the only path in this circumstance...
I'm certain a complete list of the changes will be up here on the forums within an hour of Beta starting (soon!(tm)) and I'm looking forward to the feedback (positive AND negative) at that time.
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Thanks for the response and clarification.
Honestly, I'm not going to get upset about the fact that you ARE making these changes, because quite honestly, I understand that your primary goal here is to make a better game.
However, I've been watching this thread closely because I am planning my future builds of which a few APP powers play a key role, and I would prefer to know sooner rather than later what the changes are going to be. Obviously you guys can only do so much at one time, but if you can share that info with us as soon as possible, it would be much appreciated.
Around here, there is nothing worse than the "speculation monster."
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I'm honestly surprised Exploding Shuriken didn't get dropped. 19 end, 32 second recharge and all. I wouldn't think many people would take that.
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Try it with Hasten and full Positron Blast slotted for xtra energy damage. My scrapper use the shuriken in melee. Dragon Tail + Explosive Shuriken is nice. No redrawing of weapon. Its good also with Soul Drain+ Explosive Shuriken. Works great.
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Still, though. The two other APPs have nearly the same damage, but significantly faster recharges and less end use. Granted, I know some people don't always like cones. Personal preference I suppose.
Although upon a second look, PvP aside, Web Grenade really is probably the thing I planned to skip on my Scrapper if I ever bother to get him to APP levels. On the other hand, I planned to skip Exploding, too.
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Look, id be lying to you if i said that both Shuriken attacks and the whole Weapon Mastery pool was better than than Body Mastery. Its not, most of the time.
I primarily picked Weapon Mastery because i wanted to be "different" back then. No serious players were using shurikens. Caltrops and Webnade were just having their potential discovered for PvP but still, Focus Accuracy was the way to go for hardcore PvPers...
I really started to like Shurikens when IOs appeared. I then found out new potential with Ranged Damage Set IOs and Target AoE damage Set IOs. I decided to slot both powers heavily. I 6 slotted them with Devastation and Posi Blast. then i decided to give it a real try in PvP and PvE.
With Posi Blast, the Exploding Shuriken started doing decent dmg against herded enemies. Criticals Hits also count with these powers. So its a chance for multi critical + the dmg procs. Not bad.
The single shuriken became great in PvP because of its decent range but seriously because of its fast activation and quick recharge + the Hold procs. It became my surprise attack against ranged enemies and also helped dishing killing blows against a fleeing target. Ok dmg when the critical hit scored.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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it's like they saw lolmelee, but want it to be LOLMELEE.
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/e *ROFLCOPTERS in teh air where scrappers won't git meh anymore*
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it's like they saw lolmelee, but want it to be LOLMELEE.
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/e *ROFLCOPTERS in teh air where scrappers won't git meh anymore*
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Hover is now top tier! Got mezzed by a drive by stun? It's okay, you are still 80 feet up in the air! And you can slowly float up!
welcome to the dominator dilemma caused by the nerf of roots.
want to drop flying targets? NOPE....
I laugh at those said that it wasn't a big deal 
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3. What is suppressed during a mez: Anything that is not a status protection will get suppressed. Exception: Kheldian flight will still fly, but speed is suppressed. Kheldian forms don't drop. Suppressed team buffs are suppressed for teammates.
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So, I just listened to this.
Castle: "There are some exceptions to that, like if you're in Nova form your flight won't get surpressed. Your fly speed does, but you will still stay hanging in the air, you just can't move.
Question: "Now is that true for regular Fly for other characters?"
Castle: "That is true for Combat Flight, but I don't think it's true for Flight".
While he could certainly be referring to only the Kheldian Combat Flight power here, it's worth noting that the internal name for Hover is also Combat Flight, so it is possible that he's also talking about Hover.
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Good catch. You're correct. Also, I double checked Flight and Group Flight -- in all cases the FLY attribute does not suppress, so you stay floating in mid-air.
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welcome to the dominator dilemma caused by the nerf of roots.
want to drop flying targets? NOPE....
I laugh at those said that it wasn't a big deal
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I'm *hoping* that can be revisited. Make it a PVP change, with the drop a PVE effect.
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it's like they saw lolmelee, but want it to be LOLMELEE.
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/e *ROFLCOPTERS in teh air where scrappers won't git meh anymore*
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I hear the WM targeting drone actually targets the scrapper and grants the to hit bonus to his/her opponents.
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You can only buy it if your faction has control of the zone in sirens - and you only get 5. In the arena, having perma webnades is a huge advantace.
I would personally drop Trops or Shuriken instead of webnade
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Would having Web Grenade and a Focused Accuracy clone in the same Epic set be a good idea?
Wouldn't that become an extremely potent set for PvP?
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No it would be ridiculously overpowered, as melee and scrappers dominate pvp in this game. But if they really wanted to help out the underpowered and disadvantaged squishies and ranged at's, they'd nerf the uber shuriken powers. Maybe with 'thrown boot' and 'hurl insult'.
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I'm honestly surprised Exploding Shuriken didn't get dropped. 19 end, 32 second recharge and all. I wouldn't think many people would take that.
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Try it with Hasten and full Positron Blast slotted for xtra energy damage. My scrapper use the shuriken in melee. Dragon Tail + Explosive Shuriken is nice. No redrawing of weapon. Its good also with Soul Drain+ Explosive Shuriken. Works great.
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Still, though. The two other APPs have nearly the same damage, but significantly faster recharges and less end use. Granted, I know some people don't always like cones. Personal preference I suppose.
Although upon a second look, PvP aside, Web Grenade really is probably the thing I planned to skip on my Scrapper if I ever bother to get him to APP levels. On the other hand, I planned to skip Exploding, too.
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Look, id be lying to you if i said that both Shuriken attacks and the whole Weapon Mastery pool was better than than Body Mastery. Its not, most of the time.
I primarily picked Weapon Mastery because i wanted to be "different" back then. No serious players were using shurikens. Caltrops and Webnade were just having their potential discovered for PvP but still, Focus Accuracy was the way to go for hardcore PvPers...
I really started to like Shurikens when IOs appeared. I then found out new potential with Ranged Damage Set IOs and Target AoE damage Set IOs. I decided to slot both powers heavily. I 6 slotted them with Devastation and Posi Blast. then i decided to give it a real try in PvP and PvE.
With Posi Blast, the Exploding Shuriken started doing decent dmg against herded enemies. Criticals Hits also count with these powers. So its a chance for multi critical + the dmg procs. Not bad.
The single shuriken became great in PvP because of its decent range but seriously because of its fast activation and quick recharge + the Hold procs. It became my surprise attack against ranged enemies and also helped dishing killing blows against a fleeing target. Ok dmg when the critical hit scored.
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Well, I'm not trying to argue that it was a bad power, just... not one I expected to see much. If anything, I'd almost expect the recharge and endurance usage to go down at least a little bit on Exploding. Shuriken itself appeals to me for my Scrapper more than what's in most of the other APPs, since it's a good, quick ranged attack. I don't plan to PvP on said Scrapper, so FA is overkill and none of the other Body Mastery powers appeal.
Anyway, back on topic. Regarding your sig, we don't know what powers are being removed/changed, so there's a pretty reasonable chance that several of the powers removed are just powers with recycled animations.
Also, re: Fly not dropping: my Corrupter thanks you. Now if only Fly didn't require slots that the other powers tend not to I'd be throwing it on more of my characters.
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*looks up at all the posts griping about losing Web Grenade*
*Laughs his [censored] off*
Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that they WOULDN'T get just as many complaints no matter WHICH power they replaced?
No matter what they change, or even if they changed nothing, they'd still piss off a lot of people. The only difference is who would be posting the angry letters.
The Devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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Exactly. and you know what wise governments do in such situation usually? They just keep the status quo and go back to the working bench and try coming up with a better plan.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire