Discussion: Castle Talks on w00t Studios Podcast!
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Aisynia,
Posted on: 2008-10-07 17:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous if FA remains a 20% +tohit buff and doesn't go into villain hands.
[/ QUOTE ]I hope we get it villainside, thats the one thing thats keeping me from soft capping alot of builds. Some of the sets dont have enough accuracy for my taste so focus accuracy would be awsome for those builds.
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[u]Topic: PvE Power Changes.[u]
[u]Patron Pools and APP[u]
1. They all got looked at by Posi, Castle, and minion. Datamined which ones were taken and which were ignored. Buffs, nerfs, and power replacements!
2. If powers are replaced, when you log in, you'll have the new power. No grandfathering.
3. About 20% of the A/EPPs were replaced.
4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Hmmm. No 'grandfathering'? I remember hearing that term, but I'll need a quick refresher course.
I wonder if this'll mean that if we don't like the replacements, we'll have to 'respec' them. Would be nice if this means we'll get a free 'spec with this update.
[/ QUOTE ]This means they are getting rid of caltrops and possibly conserver power just so they can sanitize ninjutsu and energy aura before being ported to scrappers. 
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I see people being *pissed* in some instances. Looks like I'm going to be making sure to copy all my 50s as they sit *now* over to look at this specifically. (Well, except the Khelds - no APPs, obviously.)
I don't see things like Char (Pyre/Fire epic for blasters or tanks) going away, but I wonder what *is.* Stalker Snipes, I think I'd put money down on (though what if you have the set in it?)
Hope they're ready for some screaming.
So did you all listen to the very end of the interview when Castle said Closed Beta starts tommorow?
I'm kidding :P
Man this might make people mad. Will make some pools more useful though...hopefully villains get Focused Acc also.
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They all got looked at by Posi, Castle, [u]and minion. [u]
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Poor nameless minion. I hope he gets promoted to a named Lt. at some point. 
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I think they should be called "Pawns".
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So did you all listen to the very end of the interview when Castle said Closed Beta starts tommorow?
I'm kidding :P
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Don't DO that! 
What happens to enhancements in these cases? Do they remain but not function or do they evaporate?
Sermon
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I see people being *pissed* in some instances. Looks like I'm going to be making sure to copy all my 50s as they sit *now* over to look at this specifically. (Well, except the Khelds - no APPs, obviously.)
I don't see things like Char (Pyre/Fire epic for blasters or tanks) going away, but I wonder what *is.* Stalker Snipes, I think I'd put money down on (though what if you have the set in it?)
Hope they're ready for some screaming.
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You know, its possible that Kheldians are finally going to get an epic power pool. If it happens, it would certainly answer Castle's responses that he had something in mind to make human form valuable to play.
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[u]Topic: PvE Power Changes.[u]
[u]Patron Pools and APP[u]
1. They all got looked at by Posi, Castle, and minion. Datamined which ones were taken and which were ignored. Buffs, nerfs, and power replacements!
2. If powers are replaced, when you log in, you'll have the new power. No grandfathering.
3. About 20% of the A/EPPs were replaced.
4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Hmmm. No 'grandfathering'? I remember hearing that term, but I'll need a quick refresher course.
I wonder if this'll mean that if we don't like the replacements, we'll have to 'respec' them. Would be nice if this means we'll get a free 'spec with this update.
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Jesus Christ, they had better not take away my Caltrops on my scrapper- and a big [censored] WTF on Hero Epics changing?? What the hell prompted this?! It was the patrons that are the issue- the patrons freaking SUCK compared to the flexibility of the hero epics. Why change anything in the weapon mastery?? If Scrappers wanted focused accuracy then they take that Epic Pool.
What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
And reading this seems like I log into my Scrapper after the change and find out his powers have been changed and taken away I'm gonna be hyper-pissed.
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.
I like caltrops, sad if I lose it. Luckily I just soft capped my SR so the lost won't be to bad. I was thinking Web'nade would get the boot.
Was planing on trying caltrops with burn. But webnade could work aswell.
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Temp Protection - figured it was going to have recharge resistance, some people just don't listen 
more Kheld buffs? nifty 
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I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.
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Uhm- my scrapper is perfect for me and his concept- and No- I most certainly will NOT deal with it. I will question these changes especially BEFORE they get announced especially when they reflect an almost complete lack of understanding to the issue. The Issue is Patrons SUCK compared to Epics- in terms of flexiblility, concept and power. Was anyone anywhere asking for Weapon Mastery to get FA? Seriously? How was that even considered relevant to the issue?
So, they take the power most people take and drop the powers that not alot of people take globally- wow- don't worry about min/maxing now- the devs will do it for you.
I will also again seriously question the mindset making freaking scrappers MORE powerful. I mean, really- WTF is up with this thinking??
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
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[u]Patron Pools and APP[u]
1. They all got looked at by Posi, Castle, and minion. Datamined which ones were taken and which were ignored. Buffs, nerfs, and power replacements!
2. If powers are replaced, when you log in, you'll have the new power. No grandfathering.
3. About 20% of the A/EPPs were replaced.
4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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After the reworking of Claws, I really don't have high hopes for this. Putting FA into Weapons Mastery is just....(heavy sigh)
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4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous if FA remains a 20% +tohit buff and doesn't go into villain hands.
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I particularly loved how there was no mention how Patrons were changed or if Stalkers/Brutes get FA.
What happens to the IOs/SOs you have placed in the weapon mastery power that got replaced by FA? Web nade you can slot immob, caltrops damage/slow, Shuriken and exploding shurken both can be slotted with damage.
Do those IOs just *poof* disappear? It'd be a shame if you had a purple set of IOs in those powers and they were just outright gone, especially considering Castle said there was no respec, you'd log in and you'd have FA in place of the previous power.
NO CALTROPS!? THEY BETTER BUFF SCRAPPERS!
EXCUSE ME WHILE I GO BEND THINGS WITH MY RAGE!
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4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous if FA remains a 20% +tohit buff and doesn't go into villain hands.
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I particularly loved how there was no mention how how Patrons were changed or if Stalkers/Brutes get FA.
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I don't think we're ready for that announcement.
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What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
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You mean how like a power like Power Boost was so overwhelmingly unbalanced that if you had to chance to take it, you would, and then no other APP was ever taken for that AT?
We knew at least this one was coming.
There's going to be changes and no amount of screaming will stop it. If you playtest it and post results with recommendations, you may have the opportunity to shape those changes. If you preemptively scream NIMBY, they'll just tune you out.
And you can bet big money they'll give at least one freespec with this. They passed out freespec for far lesser changes.
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What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
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You mean how like a power like Power Boost was so overwhelmingly unbalanced that if you had to chance to take it, you would, and then no other APP was ever taken for that AT?
We knew at least this one was coming.
There's going to be changes and no amount of screaming will stop it. If you playtest it and post results with recommendations, you may have the opportunity to shape those changes. If you preemptively scream NIMBY, they'll just tune you out.
And you can bet big money they'll give at least one freespec with this. They passed out freespec for far lesser changes.
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I don't even KNOW what AT gets power boost in their epic (I think it's contollers?) - because epics were NOT the issue- the issue was that Patrons SUCK compared to the Epics. So they are going to force changes on to heroes who might not want them or just don't want the changes at all instead of just giving the god damn epics to villians??
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
This comes across as fixing stuff to fix stuff regardless if it needed to be fixed in the first place. I'll defend vigilance far more than other people will, but the fact that little stuff like weapons mastery getting FA is happening while there is a wealth of support to look into getting vigilance improved upon just screams of the devs trying to justify the larger work force they now have. Pretty much every AT has been improved upon once if not more than that and yet vigilance remains.
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What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
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You mean how like a power like Power Boost was so overwhelmingly unbalanced that if you had to chance to take it, you would, and then no other APP was ever taken for that AT?
We knew at least this one was coming.
There's going to be changes and no amount of screaming will stop it. If you playtest it and post results with recommendations, you may have the opportunity to shape those changes. If you preemptively scream NIMBY, they'll just tune you out.
And you can bet big money they'll give at least one freespec with this. They passed out freespec for far lesser changes.
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I don't even KNOW what AT gets power boost in their epic (I think it's contollers?) - because epics were NOT the issue- the issue was that Patrons SUCK compared to the Epics. So they are going to force changes on to heroes who might not want them or just don't want the changes at all instead of just giving the god damn epics to villians??
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A: You're over reacting.
B: The implication is that villains will be getting FA, or something FA like as well.
C: Nothing has changed yet.
D: Villain Epics were too weak, Hero Epics were too powerful, bringing one to the other is not the answer.
E: Some powers weren't taken enough, in both Epics and Patrons, they're fixing both those.
F: All of the above.
Pick one, please. You're not being constructive, and if you want your voice heard. Yelling won't help.
If I were you, I would post a lot. Just post quietly, more politely. You can be polite and still forceful, still get your way. Reason is the argument that they want, and they listen too. There's more then enough president set for it.
As it stands, we know one tiny reference to something that MAY happen in the future. Some day.
Calm down, please
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What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
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You mean how like a power like Power Boost was so overwhelmingly unbalanced that if you had to chance to take it, you would, and then no other APP was ever taken for that AT?
We knew at least this one was coming.
There's going to be changes and no amount of screaming will stop it. If you playtest it and post results with recommendations, you may have the opportunity to shape those changes. If you preemptively scream NIMBY, they'll just tune you out.
And you can bet big money they'll give at least one freespec with this. They passed out freespec for far lesser changes.
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I don't even KNOW what AT gets power boost in their epic (I think it's contollers?) - because epics were NOT the issue- the issue was that Patrons SUCK compared to the Epics. So they are going to force changes on to heroes who might not want them or just don't want the changes at all instead of just giving the god damn epics to villians??
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Dude, they'll be buffing the Patron Pools and not by simply nerfing the APPs.
However, there are some powers in the APPs which are so overpowered, that even if City of Villains never existed, they'd have to nerf anyway.
Before you have an aneurysm, why don't you wait until you see what the changes are.
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I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.
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Glad you aren't as attached to your characters and you don't care when drastic (to some) changes to them are announced. I have several characters with the weapons pool, and I could be perfectly happy knowing that if I never respec, I can keep the powers currently picked... logging in and finding my power lineup changed would be more than an annoyance to me.
Should the announced power that's being swapped out not be web grenade, that will be 3 characters of mine that I'll consider ruined by the change. Yes, ruined. I pick powers because they are fun, not because of the numbers behind them. I get a lot of use of the other three choices in the set. If I'd cared about being uber, I'd have taken body for focused accuracy like everyone else.
If nobody is taking these powers anyway, then add the new power as a 5th choice. At the very least, those that have them should be able to keep them until a respec. If the technology doesn't exist to allow it, then make it. Outright modifying a characters power lineup should never even be an option. When they changed taunt to a level 10 tanker power, existing tankers were allowed to keep it where it was until a respec was used... they can do it again.
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I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.
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Glad you aren't as attached to your characters and you don't care when drastic (to some) changes to them are announced. I have several characters with the weapons pool, and I could be perfectly happy knowing that if I never respec, I can keep the powers currently picked... logging in and finding my power lineup changed would be more than an annoyance to me.
Should the announced power that's being swapped out not be web grenade, that will be 3 characters of mine that I'll consider ruined by the change. Yes, ruined. I pick powers because they are fun, not because of the numbers behind them. I get a lot of use of the other three choices in the set. If I'd cared about being uber, I'd have taken body for focused accuracy like everyone else.
If nobody is taking these powers anyway, then add the new power as a 5th choice. At the very least, those that have them should be able to keep them until a respec. If the technology doesn't exist to allow it, then make it. Outright modifying a characters power lineup should never even be an option. When they changed taunt to a level 10 tanker power, existing tankers were allowed to keep it where it was until a respec was used... they can do it again.
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Personally, I have a character (Claws scrap) who's powers are based around metal under her skin. Caltrops/shuriken were/are perfect for her. Seriously good.
But I'm not having an aneurysm about this.
What I would LIKE?
Oh, about a hundred things. Starting with expanding all the epic/normal pool sets by several powers. Could keep Caltrops then. Or place it into another pool, a new one.
Y'know what?
I bet this is all for nothing.
I bet he misspoke. He really meant Mace Mastery.
Scrappers are getting Mace Mastery. And it's going to have FA.
Stalkers/brutes will get fluffy bunnies.
Yeesh
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4. As one example of the Epic/Patron changes, Castle mentions that Weapon Mastery for Scrappers will now include Focused Accuracy. If his memory is correct.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous if FA remains a 20% +tohit buff and doesn't go into villain hands.
Doom.
Yep.
This is really doom.