Discussion: Castle Talks on w00t Studios Podcast!
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Aisynia,
Posted on: 2008-10-07 17:18 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
SDragon for precedent! 
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What logic is going into changing Hero Epics?
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You mean how like a power like Power Boost was so overwhelmingly unbalanced that if you had to chance to take it, you would, and then no other APP was ever taken for that AT?
We knew at least this one was coming.
There's going to be changes and no amount of screaming will stop it. If you playtest it and post results with recommendations, you may have the opportunity to shape those changes. If you preemptively scream NIMBY, they'll just tune you out.
And you can bet big money they'll give at least one freespec with this. They passed out freespec for far lesser changes.
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I don't even KNOW what AT gets power boost in their epic (I think it's contollers?) - because epics were NOT the issue- the issue was that Patrons SUCK compared to the Epics. So they are going to force changes on to heroes who might not want them or just don't want the changes at all instead of just giving the god damn epics to villians??
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A: You're over reacting.
B: The implication is that villains will be getting FA, or something FA like as well.
C: Nothing has changed yet.
D: Villain Epics were too weak, Hero Epics were too powerful, bringing one to the other is not the answer.
E: Some powers weren't taken enough, in both Epics and Patrons, they're fixing both those.
F: All of the above.
Pick one, please. You're not being constructive, and if you want your voice heard. Yelling won't help.
If I were you, I would post a lot. Just post quietly, more politely. You can be polite and still forceful, still get your way. Reason is the argument that they want, and they listen too. There's more then enough president set for it.
As it stands, we know one tiny reference to something that MAY happen in the future. Some day.
Calm down, please
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I don't think Castle said that, though.
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Caltrops going away? Is that the thinking here?
Damnit to hell! I was planning on getting that to go with burn on my Spines/fire.
Oh well.
BC 
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Nimby! NIMBY!!! NIMmmmmmmBY!!!
Now, what the frick does that mean and why am I yelling it??
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Nimby! NIMBY!!! NIMmmmmmmBY!!!
Now, what the frick does that mean and why am I yelling it??
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It's Swahili for "Hey! Chesticles!"
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Web Gernade and Caltrops are key powers for scrappers that want to anti-fly or slow targets. I think players can live without one or both of the Shurikens (and I really only liked the Explosive one).
I could see
Level 41: Web Gernade, Caltrops
Level 44: Shuriken
Level 47: Targeting Drone
BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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See? All my scrappers have devastation Hold procs in the normal shuriken. You have nay idea how fast i can cast that shuriken when im on hasten? I find it VERY useful.
My aoe shuriken is slotted with posi blast and i love it also.
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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I took E.M.P. on my Blaster, but only because I couldn't get a power that allows a Blaster to shoot Death Rays out of his eyes. (Regardless, E.M.P. IS a very good power, but I don't have the slots to give to it 
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BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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I took bonfire. That blaster hit 50 before the Elec APP existed.
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BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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I took E.M.P. on my Blaster, but only because I couldn't get a power that allows a Blaster to shoot Death Rays out of his eyes. (Regardless, E.M.P. IS a very good power, but I don't have the slots to give to it )
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What we need is sharks with freakin laser beams. Lets replace Focus Accuracy with that!
I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire
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BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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I took E.M.P. on my Blaster, but only because I couldn't get a power that allows a Blaster to shoot Death Rays out of his eyes. (Regardless, E.M.P. IS a very good power, but I don't have the slots to give to it )
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What we need is sharks with freakin laser beams. Lets replace Focus Accuracy with that!
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This.
/hancocked
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BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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I took E.M.P. on my Blaster, but only because I couldn't get a power that allows a Blaster to shoot Death Rays out of his eyes. (Regardless, E.M.P. IS a very good power, but I don't have the slots to give to it )
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What we need is sharks with freakin laser beams. Lets replace Focus Accuracy with that!
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This.
/hancocked
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As with other prosauropods, it has been proposed that Massospondylus had cheeks.
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- Defender Power Mastery: Power Build Up. We know how much Castle hates Power Boost. What's the over/under on this becoming plain ol' Build Up?
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And watch defenders in mass respec out of the Power epic. The power already got recently nerfed. They don't need to remove the power out altogether.
assuming we know as much as we did when this was announced
Focused Accuracy....Weapons Mastery...
no sir, I don't see the connection 
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Nimby! NIMBY!!! NIMmmmmmmBY!!!
Now, what the frick does that mean and why am I yelling it??
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Way to make VEATs/HEATs even less popular!
Recharge modifer resists work both ways, remember? That's why Winter's Gift went from being "yay" to being "omg sucks".
New VEAT/HEAT change: for every VEAT/HEAT on your team, your VEAT/HEAT loses a percentage of their recharge reductions. The -50% recharge time you worked hard to build up on your character form slotting purple sets? Gone, unless you kick the VEATs/HEATs off your team.
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Recharge Resistance only works on resistable Recharge (de)buffs. Recharge *buffs* are essentially always unresistable, and will thus not generally be resisted. The only resistable Recharge *buff* I can think of is the Force Feedback proc.
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Before going completely over the edge on this issue, everyone, why don't we just wait for the beta to start so we can see exactly what's being changed, determine the effects of those changes and present validated, justified concerns to Castle. I'm no more excited about losing some of my favorite APP/EPP powers than anyone else, but until I actually know which powers are being removed, and what the replacements are, there's no point getting upset over it.
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I don't need to wait till beta to know that outright replacement of chosen powers is bad design. I'm really hoping Castle mis-spoke, but he seemed pretty sure about his statement about logging in and finding the replacement where your chosen power was.
I can learn and adapt to a change in any of my chosen epics, but I firmly believe that altering characters in that dramatic a fashion should be avoided at all costs.
I'm not in any way against the replacement of powers in the epics/PPPs, I'm against logging in and finding the change forced on characters. Let the player keep them till they respec, that's all I'm asking of the developers.
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They changed my ET without asking, without grandfathering it,why cant you do the same with the nerf of your powers? learn to live with it.
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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1 + 1 is 2. It's FACT.
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Don't be silly. 1+1=10.
I think the only APP powers I care about are the single target holds for scrappers and tankers. I could be wrong, but I don't expect those to go away. It would be nice to see brutes and stalkers get access to a decent single target ranged hold, but it would also be nice if villains didn't have to go through a story arc with a non-droppable elite boss fight to unlock their patron pools.
Currently, I don't use patron powers at all.
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no, 1+1=11=3
binary rules
Lots of 50's yada yada. still finding fun things to do.
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assuming we know as much as we did when this was announced
Focused Accuracy....Weapons Mastery...
no sir, I don't see the connection
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Think Bullseye from Daredevil.
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The only good villain epic powers were gloom, Soul drain, and Lightning Cages, Arguably the pets (Dom/Corr)
Focused Accuracy just needs completely removed, along with powerboosts granting of additional ToHit, same goes for fort
Suddenly, defense would become VERY viable in pvp since FA and ToHit Stacking completely negates sets like /SR and /EA A lot in pvp, especially for brutes
Wow. This really is bad. I think this time the Doom is merited.
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What happens to enhancements in these cases? Do they remain but not function or do they evaporate?
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My guess would be that they remain slotted, and function as they would if slotted into the new power (or not, as the case might be. If a damage dealing power is changed into Focused Accuracy, Recharge and EndRdx enhancements in it would continue to work, but Damage enhancements would do nothing).
Hopefully this will be taken into consideration, and possibly troublesome changes will be avoided.
Changing a power that takes a damage set into a power that takes another damage set could for instance be troublesome...
Since this will potentially affect a lot of characters, it is also possible that they choose to run some script to remove offending enhancements.
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Focused Accuracy just needs completely removed, along with powerboosts granting of additional ToHit, same goes for fort
Suddenly, defense would become VERY viable in pvp since FA and ToHit Stacking completely negates sets like /SR and /EA A lot in pvp, especially for brutes
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It wouldn't surprise me if Focused Accuracy (and some similar powers) gets at least partially converted to Accuracy for PvP.
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The only good villain epic powers were gloom, Soul drain, and Lightning Cages, Arguably the pets (Dom/Corr)
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I'd say you're wrong.
The regular, ranged blast is very useful on my Stalker and Brute (for runners, or - yes - a pull.)
The AOE immobs are very welcome to my Brute.
The shields are useful to the squishies.
My stalker isn't going to argue with the ST Hold, either.
My Dom gets use out of both the ST and Targeted AOE blasts, though perhaps they could do a bit more damage.
My MM's looking forward to the AOE immobs.
*Bad* Villain epics are a shorter list - Stalker snipes (mostly for 8 second animation,) *possibly* Stalker pets (which will cause things to aggro on you even if you're in hide because of how aggro works,) both make the short list. If the Brute pet survives, at least in Coral you can get an immob out of it - though it's not something to count on.
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- Defender Power Mastery: Power Build Up. We know how much Castle hates Power Boost. What's the over/under on this becoming plain ol' Build Up?
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And watch defenders in mass respec out of the Power epic. The power already got recently nerfed. They don't need to remove the power out altogether.
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I'm waiting for Blasters, Defenders, Corruptors, MMs and Dominators to get a level 41 mezz protection added.
Then you'll definitely see heads spinning to pick up those powers that offer it.
Still here, even after all this time!
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A). Patrons SUCK compared to hero epics- it's FACT.
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That is not unequivocally true.
There are certainly cases where some Epic power pools offer a distinct advantage (such as Focused Accuracy vs. Defense in PvP), but there are also cases where the Patron power pools have an advantage. For instance, I have Brutes that would much prefer the current single target attack + AoE to having access to Focused Accuracy. Body Mastery also offers single target attack + AoE, but Lightning Beam Eyes has significantly lower DPA than the Mu Mastery/Soul Mastery counterparts, and there are cases where a Targeted AoE is much preferable to a Cone. For people interested in the attacks, Body Mastery also requires a prerequisite. This isn't a problem for those that also want Focused Accuracy (or Conserve Power), but for some it adds up to being too high of a cost.
I also have squishies that only want the Epic Resistance/Defense toggle, and while the Villain squishies are free to only take that power, the Hero squishies have to take a prereq, which sometimes ends up being a power with very limited usefulness for them.
Also, even in the cases where the Hero Epics end up having a distinct advantage (Focused Accuracy, Power Build Up, ...), it is often the case that there is one single Epic pool that has this advantage, not only over the villain Patron pools, but also over all other Hero Epics. Basically, it is often not the case that "all Hero Epics are better than all Villain Patron pools", but rather that "there exists some Hero Epics that are better than all other (Hero + Villain) Epics" (for some specific situations).
Web Gernade and Caltrops are key powers for scrappers that want to anti-fly or slow targets. I think players can live without one or both of the Shurikens (and I really only liked the Explosive one).
I could see
Level 41: Web Gernade, Caltrops
Level 44: Shuriken
Level 47: Targeting Drone
BTW: I wonder how many people took EMP on blasters considering the 800 second recharge? Or Bonfire? Or Sleep Gernade/Flash Freeze (I considered it as the only useful thing to stack with Frozen Aura)? Or the 360-second recharge Consume for Controllers. I wonder if the the balancing includes this, or is just a massive Focused Accuracy/Power Boost change?
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