Mob AI- RUN AWAY!

I've got one for you guys. I just had an ambush flee while doing one of the Imperial City Praetoria missions. We didn't have any defense bonuses up, no chance to target them with debuffs (they didn't even get into range). They entered the room (one of the big sewer ones) and turned around and fled back far enough that they de-aggroed and returned to the spawning point.

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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill No AT/powerset, AFAIC, is "undesirable." Give me a halfway competent player - or at least one willing to listen and go with the rest of the team - and we're good.

AI that runs away is quite the fail. They say they fixed Burn, yea for a day.
Seemed like only a week later or so and they started running again.
Oh well, that's what Immobs are for.

Here's a good one from today:

Was blasterlocking and not paying attention to my life bar and engaged a group with 10% health. I think you can guess what happened.

I'm on the ground surrounded by baddies, and my inspiration tray has an awaken, break free, and some lucks/heals/ends. I'm thinking "Sure I can get out of this". So I start quaff the awaken and stand up, but for whatever reason my mouse starts wigging out and I fail to hit the break free in a reasonable amount of time. SCREWED! I AM SO DEAD!

But instead of finishing me off, they all ran away. lol

Well, what would you do if dead corpses started rising?

Aah yes, this happens to me all the time.

For me though, it's a huge problem when you're soloing Arch-Enemies(Arch-Villains/Heroes) and Giant Monsters.

Now, I can understand if a mob flees for, say like health reasons, they're low health, close to dying, or even simply moving away from a fire patch. Hell, I'd program them to do the same thing.

However, something as powerful as an Arch-Enemy and (especially) Giant Monsters, should have no reason to run in fear. Take for example, Jurassik, there should be no reason it would fear me, Jurassik is something that is so monstrous, so terrifying, it would have no concept of death, and especially, fear. So when it runs just because I stand near it, then there's a serious problem.

Also, many basic types of enemies will run as well, and not for health reasons which is also a serious problem.

Some people may even argue: "Tactical Retreat" However, there's nothing even remotely tactical about them running away like that. They don't even attack.

I hope one day the Development Team at least considers looking into this problem (and I do say "problem" with good merit), or at least giving us some sort of feedback.

Here's an interesting one.

I was doing a 2-person Lady Grey Task Force, and of course, as expected, all the AVs would run from me every time we tried to fight them. But fortunately, was able to get to the very end and fight the last AVs. But, of course, Hro'dtohz, the "Lord of War" (who flees like a "Pansy of War"), ran like I've never seen, which makes me believe he has ADHD and I'm just not mentaly stimulating enough to keep his focus on attacking me. After killing Hro'dtohz, it was then on to Honoree, all goes well. However, what struck me as interesting, is that he didn't run at all. Everytime, AVs/GMs/Normal Mobs will tend to run if they can't hit their target. However, Honoree insisted on fighting me (finally an AV that will), he was unable to hit me very much at all, was getting his rear handed to him pretty well. So it just strikes me as odd as he's the only AV, or enemy in general, that won't run from you just because they can't hit you, or just for no reason at all.

Though, I don't know if this information is helpful in anyway, just thought I'd share it with you guys to see what you think. Different AI perhaps? He just didn't feel like it?

Had a nice "RUN RUN RUN" experience in the Cap SF today. Our team of 6 (Thugs/FF, Bots/FF, Mercs/Poison, Rad/EM blaster, Widow, Crab) had Bat'Zul running from basically the first bit of damage. We still managed to get him down to about 1/3rd HP before he ran out of range of the area we had cleared, and down a tunnel he went, only have to the slow walk back behavior kick in. We tried having just one person attack to draw him back to us, and again he went running. We finally waited for him to fully walk back (and regen his health back to around 80%), and attacked again. He went running but because we had repositioned where we engaged, we were able to get him down before he ran out of range again.

FCM and I keep running in this problem when we're duoing... EBs seem to be particularly prone to taking off on us, though bosses occasionally run for the hills to.

It's not fun having to chase an EB from one end of the map to the other. Really, it isn't. <_<

Mob AI seem to be even more prone to running away recently, I have found. Debuffs as well as DoTs are causing mobs to fly off instantly and go off on long journeys around mission maps. This is really frustrating when it comes to rescuing hostages or boss defeats, as you are required to defeat all of the surrounding group. Running all over a map just to kill off the last of the group is not much fun at all, especially for melee characters.

I haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if this was already mentioned:

One of my recent "run away!" incidents involved a mission where one objective was to rescue a hostage. I found the hostage, and he was being guarded by two enemies. As soon as I attacked one enemy, the second one took off running. This was in one of the side rooms in an office building and by the time I finished off the first enemy, the runner was out the door, down the corridor, and had taken several corners. The problem with this was that "rescuing" the hostage required defeating both of his guards. So he just stayed there, kneeling on the floor with his hands behind his head and wouldn't even talk to me until I chased that other guy halfway across the map. Then, of course, I had to actually find my way back to where the hostage was.

If that kind of running away is intentional behavior, then chasing the enemy off like that should count for the purpose of rescuing the hostage - hey, you took one guard down and made the other run away. The hostage is safe now. Of course, I realize that would probably be a trick to code. But in pencil & paper RPGs, making an enemy run away is as good as killing him, at least for the purpose of defeating the encounter.

I ran into this with Master Midnight in the First Ward arcs in the graveyard fight. He just... took off running until I actually lost him as a target.

I had two choices: chase him down and leave DeVore to fight off the wave after wave of zombies, EB's included, or stand my ground and hope the waves would stop at some point so I could chase Midnight down.

Since I lost him as a target, the only choice it seemed I had was to fight where I was. DeVore's health was plummeting fast and my poor blaster was getting destroyed as well. My helper fell and I had to flee.

Finally, Master Chicken decided to come back to taunt me some more, attacked once, then fled again. This time, I just went after him and ignored the rest.

Doesn't make a whole lotta sense for a big bad leader to bring in an army to back him up if he's just gonna run like a pansy.

The whole First Ward quest chain contained quite a few instances of mobs running for the hills, literally, some of which actually *HID* from me and it was majorly a pain to find them especially with the over-abundance of "waves of mobs spawning in" type quests that are now found in the game.

Mobs that flee/hide when they're a combined quest objective with mob wave spawns is not a terribly good combo.

What I'd REALLY like a redname to explain to me is why, oh WHY don't Gauntlet and Taunt auras counteract this? I just spent an hour in Talos fighting +1 and +2 Tsoos with my tanker and even when I hit them within the radius of my aura they still decided that hightailing it was safer. What's the point of an inherent that does flat out NOTHING?

I had a time with this one Rogue morality mish, beating down Silent Blade and all. Me playing Traps/Ice, making enemies run around like idiots is practically the point, but Silent Blade's a special lady.

As soon as knew she was coming at the end, I dumped all my traps (some extra untripped trip mines in there, too) into one area, expecting her to at least TRY to walk into it. Hilariously, I iced her once out of trap range to make sure I had aggro, and she pretty much turned tail and ran.

Never even touched the killzone, maybe she saw the land mines.

...Did I mention she trundled around the docks like an idiot, aggroing every Tsoo on the map, and was subsequently slaughtered by them? (Actually, that must be a factioning bug on top of all this. If I hadn't talked to her once she blue'd and they killed her completely, I might have glitched the mission beyond repair.)

Wow, three and a half years later and people are still having the same old problems... doesn't look like this one is getting fixed in the lifetime of the game.

Ya, when I unleash hot lead with my SoAeverything runs before I can even get my first volley off, that is unless my wide area web grenade doesn't stop them (DAMN you Cim's). But ya, I can get the scrapyard badge (Killing the scrapyarders around/near the ghost of scrapyard...ummm...sory I know thats not the name d the badge, but I just woke up and cant get in game to look the silly thing up right now since the game is down) just by once in a while shooting scrapyard with single shot, he runs instantly so I can clear out the scrapyarders. Its easy to get that badge because of the wonderful mob AI run away.

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all the ia npc enemies run afraid of my char :P

That's one of the most annoying aspects of this game, especially when I'm playing my traps toons. I've been on missions where you only need to defeat a particular mob and one of them ran and either got stuck somewhere or plain old refused to come back.

It's slightly less annoying when I'm playing my Spines/DA Scrapper though.

Something has been screwy for the past couple of days. I've run ITF three times recently, and all three times Romulus cried party foul and attempted to run a triathalon. The bosses in tip missions are doing the same thing; running away and then never coming back.

I played the sixth part of the SSA last night and bosses were running away after two hits on them. Even the elite boss at the end ran after three hits. It was especially annoying because the NPC helping in the mission kept following the runners and aggroing as many as 2 or 3 spawns at once.