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Discussion: NCsoft Acquires City of Heroes!

AaronH

By AaronH,
Posted on: 2007-11-06 13:55 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion

 

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How do I get on CoH?

I have a paid CoV account, but whenever I use the CoH Updater, and choose a server, it just takes me into CoV..

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Quoth Lighthouse:
* Active accounts who don't have CoH or CoV should be hooked up within 24 hours.

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Well I agree with Muad_Dib, for the long timers that have paid for this game over the last three years, whining about a refund now is superficial at best. Sheesh, I've got 3 50's and 5 in the mid 30's. Together thats a doctoral discertation on quantum mechanics, and I'm not even one of the real hardcore players. Do you think I care about a stupid refund for CoV? Your vision is tainted, go back to playing some hacked version of a free MMO.

However, I think the common spirit that it is worth the "new" owners drawing their attention to, is that we don't want a star wars galaxies marketing nerf! You have a product that works and has a strong following. Be happy with that and keep those updates and special events coming.

I don't much care about the bonuses. At this point in the game, I use um or ignore um.

IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTENT BABY!!!

Thanks guys and gals for listening.

 

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Full Access to City of Heroes and City of Villains®
All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to check it out!

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Evey thing sounds great but kinda feel a little shammed on this part since I paid for both games and now players who just paid for one will get both. IMO they should do something to also thank those who purchased the two games. Some ideas should include more Char slots per server for those who own both games. Just my two cents but over all, Keep up the great work!!

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well, we'll have to see how this all plays out and for all you people whining about compensation, shut it, there was no way of knowing this would happen, sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and take a loss.

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Sounds harsh don't you think? If they want to reward all players fairly, then this is something they should take into consideration. And I am not just "whining" but also am offering an idea they can implement to make "all" of the players happy. In the end it's all about great costumer service and keeping your entire pool of consumers happy not just a select few.

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THey *did* do something to those who bought both games.

Took the money and continued development.

Gave 12 slots for having both games for *how* long?

Who's the most recent person who bought *both* games *individually?* Hell, as I said, I've got collectors editions all over, multiple copies, and I sure as heck don't feel cheated, ripped off, or pissed. I MORE than got my money's worth.

I don't remember people whining this much when GVE (which gave both games cheaper than just one) came out.

 

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I'm still waiting on JRanger to chime in on this, but let me see if I can explain it in another way to help everyone understand. I'm going to use BillzBubba as my partner for this example.

BillzBubba and I own a business together as partners. For a few years we go back and forth about what's the best decision to grow the company. We each bring new ideas to the table and bat them around and some move forward when we both agree, and others get knocked down by one of us. One day Billz comes to me and says I want to buy you out so that I can grow the company like I want. It will allow changes to make the business better happen faster, and all the proceeds the business earns won't be split between us, but go to furthering the company. I say, "OK, I've got this other business that I want to work on anyway, so pay me 'X' Dollars." Billz says ok, and we part ways. Billz goes forth to grow the business in an awesome way like he would unhindered by our meetings to see if I think they'd work.

So this is like NCSoft & Cryptics separation.

Now Billz, where is my 'X' money?

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That sums it up well. As for your X money, you already have the check. I'm sure it will be spent well on hiring more folks for MUO. Be well my friend, thanks for the partnership.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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How do I get on CoH?

I have a paid CoV account, but whenever I use the CoH Updater, and choose a server, it just takes me into CoV..

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If memory serves, it's already downloaded into your system (even if it isn't, it'd download automatically), and this would just activate it.

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True.

The information is already installed. The servers just have to be told "Hey, this code now lets everyone into both sides."

 

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How do I get on CoH?

I have a paid CoV account, but whenever I use the CoH Updater, and choose a server, it just takes me into CoV..

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Lighthouse mentioned it wouldn't be live until tomorrow probably. But when it does simply login as normal and create a character. If you have access to both games you'll have a popup window appear with two icons in it. One for COH and one for COV. Simply pick the one for the type of character you want to create and jump into the game.

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Hmm... Now this makes me wonder if I have to buy my friend the Good vs Evil edition for Christmas Afterall... *Scratches head*

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Since I haven't seen many other versions on the shelves (except for the awesome cool stack of CoVs at Half-Price Books for $10 a piece), I'd say yes.

Besides, you get cool goodies with the GvE pack.

I doubt the "Prestige" powers'll be handed out here.

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How do I get on CoH?

I have a paid CoV account, but whenever I use the CoH Updater, and choose a server, it just takes me into CoV..

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Lighthouse mentioned it wouldn't be live until tomorrow probably. But when it does simply login as normal and create a character. If you have access to both games you'll have a popup window appear with two icons in it. One for COH and one for COV. Simply pick the one for the type of character you want to create and jump into the game.

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Ya know... I just realized that I have a defunct, ancient buddy account that was coh only. I might fire that thing back up now that it will have access to both sides.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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I do however have to hope that NCsoft doesn't decide that they need to make major changes to CoH - its a good game *now* - it can be better yes; but I fear the possibility of "WoWitization".


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Since they bought the game and are keeping the Dev team of a successful game, I can't imagine why they'd want to put their noses into the development and make too many changes. If they're smart, they'll simpley let the Dev team do what they do so well, only with more money, more people, and more support.

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well, we'll have to see how this all plays out and for all you people whining about compensation, shut it, there was no way of knowing this would happen, sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and take a loss.

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What are you, French?

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Hmm, is it Serdar "Lord Recluse" Copur who didn't stay?

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That sums it up well. As for your X money, you already have the check. I'm sure it will be spent well on hiring more folks for MUO. Be well my friend, thanks for the partnership.

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No prob Billz, glad doing business with you. I'm sure you'll spend some proceeds on another new seperate gaming computer. You can't have too many.

 

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Full Access to City of Heroes and City of Villains®
All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to check it out!

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So can I get my $30 back since you don't have to own both now?

 

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All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to check it out!

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So I just bought both versions of the game...does this mean that I wasted my money and if I had waited a week, I could have paid half as much?

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Exactly. I am really pissed about this, there needs to be some form of compensation for those who did buy both games. Like maybe a free month or2 or something because this is totally unfair to those who spent their hard earned money on both games.

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How long ago did you do it?

I bought COH a few years ago. COV when it came out. I don't expect anything. I wouldn't *argue* if they gave me something, but IMHO the only people who should get some sort of compensation are those who bought seperately, picking up the "other half" within, oh, the last month.

Hell, I bought the COH DVD Edition and COV CE. Bought the COV CE *twice,* in fact. I'm not pissed at all. I got to play *both,* with 12 slots per server, since COV's release. I think that's been pretty cool - and now there won't be any artificial barriers to things like SG entry for *anyone.*

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I bought CoH at launch, CoV CE at launch, so someone owes me some money on this.

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Actually, you need to be whipped. As if this was foreseen. Grow up.

This thread needs a gross of tinfoil hats, STAT!

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Full Access to City of Heroes and City of Villains®
All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to check it out!

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So can I get my $30 back since you don't have to own both now?

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No. Thanks for funding all those free expansions.

Be well, people of CoH.

 

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I'm not totally sure I'll notice the difference yet Still, sounds like a good deal mostly. Now, let's talk about raising the number of character slots per server to, oh, let's shoot for 20...

 

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Hmm. Upon reflection. Now that the devs have a bigger check book and pool of talent to draw from. Let's see if NCsoft consuming COX will mean the resolution of unresolved matters.

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HERE'S A SIMPLE EXPLANATION AND ANSWERS TO WHAT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT MEANS:

The Past
<ul type="square">[*] Cryptic Studios and NC Soft both owned CoH. In order for anything in the game to happen, both NC Soft and Cryptic had to agree on it.[*] Cryptic studios has a ton of people working at it. Of all those people, only about 20 were working on CoH. Everyone else was working on MUO, or the other secret project.[*] Of all the money Cryptic Studios had, almost all of it was being used on MUO, since Microsoft is paying for them to make it. CoH was only getting a little money from outside investors and other places to be worked on. That's why they had such a small amount of people working on it.[/list]
The Present
<ul type="square">[*] Cryptic sold their rights to CoH to NC Soft. Now, NC Soft completely owns CoH. Cryptic Studios has NOTHING to do with City of Heroes anymore.[*] Now that NC Soft owns CoH, they have created a completely new, separate studio called NC Soft NorCal, to work ONLY on CoH, not any other game. NC Soft completely owns this studio, however, this studio will be doing it's own thing. NC Soft will be paying for everything it does.[*] ALL of the Devs working on CoH at Cryptic are moving to this new studio and working for NC Soft, not Cryptic Studios anymore.

Anyone that had worked on CoH in the past was offered a chance to come work at the new studio and leave Cryptic. Some people are taking that offer and others are not. So we WILL have some of the original team from the past working at the new studio along with the current Dev team.[*] Positron will remain the Lead Designer, but there will be a new "Statesman" -type- person that he will be working with. This person is NOT Jack Emmert, aka Statesman.[*] Jack Emmert, aka Statesman, is not going to be involved with NC Soft NorCal. He will continue to work at Cryptic Studios, but will no longer be involved with anything having to do with CoH.[/list]
The -Potential- Future
<ul type="square">[*] Once the deal has been completed, Posi and all the other Devs will be moving out of Cryptic Studios and into the new NC Soft NorCal building. NC Soft has hired some other people already to work at the new studio, so they will be joining them. They will be hiring MORE people to work at the new studio.[*] MORE MONEY. CoH will have stupid amounts of money thrown at it to make it better then it already is. All of those projects like Shields, Weapon Customization and so forth that required a LOT of time, and thus a LOT of money, to do, will be able to actually get done. NC Soft is now a giant sugar daddy like no other NC Soft is HUGE. WoW has Blizzard throwing money at it. MUO has Microsoft throwing money at it. CoH now has NC Soft throwing money at it.[*] Bigger Staff. They will be hiring a LOT more people to work on CoH. With more people they can finally have TWO teams, one for CoH and one for CoV, working at the same time. They can have a team working on PvP, they can have a team working on Events, and they can have a team for just about anything else you can think of.[*] Issues will be BIGGER after this change. More people means MORE content, MORE TFs, MORE zones, MORE Epic ATs, MORE of EVERYTHING. All those things we were told couldn't be done right away because they just didn't have the people for it, GONE. They'll be able to do just about anything with a full staff. Think about, 100 people working on CoH versus the 20 people working on it right now.[*] Faster releases, less secrets, shorter response time. Now that NC Soft owns ALL of CoH, they don't have to ask Cryptic for permission to do anything. Decisions will be made much quicker now that there aren't two different companies trying to agree on things. If we ask for something and NC Soft says "OK!", that's it, it'll happen.

In the past, if Cryptic Studios wanted to tell us something, but couldn't because NC Soft said "not yet", that won't happen. Now NC Soft can tell us anything we want, they have all the power to release information anytime they want.

And best of all, since there's no more delays with trying to get both Cryptic Studios and NC Soft on the same schedule, Issues, fixes, expansions and all that will be coming out MUCH quicker.[*] CoH can actually have Marketing! That's right, with the NC Soft Marketing team and all the money NC Soft has, they can actually use real songs for trailers, they can actually try and make commercials for CoH and all sorts of other things. CoH will have the capability to advertise like WoW does. Shirts, hats, key chains, toys, it could all happen.[/list]
Answers to Concerns
<ul type="square">[*] All of this does NOT change anything in the game right now or anytime soon. Issue 12 WILL be coming next year and has already been worked on by the Devs.[*] The Boards WILL not change. NC Soft actually owns and runs the boards already. If anything the Boards will be getting BETTER.[*] Issues will NOT be slowing down. In fact, they will be speeding up.[*] All of the Devs will still be here to hang with us, work on the game and everything. All they're doing is moving to a new desk.[*] NC Soft is NOT going to be changing or working on the game. Positron and all the other Devs will continue to be the ones to make the decisions for the CoH world.[*] Regen is not getting nerfed.[/list]
In conclusion, this is a FANTASTIC announcement. It's one of the BEST things that could have happened for CoH. It sounds like they already have plans for future expansions, possibly a CoH 2 and tons of new content for issues. Next year is going bring a LOT of new toys and content to the game!

 

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Too funny...

Why exactly does anyone owe you for your own decision making process?

So if you buy something in a store and it goes on sale two years later...They owe you a refund?

By that logic you were owed money long before now as CoH and Cov dropped in price from when they were first launched..

I guess if you knew the price would go down you wouldnt have spent your hard earned money on it...


Ok if you want compensation so badly give up any of the slots you used in upgrading any prestige or base building youve done since you purchased it...because you dont get it both ways..




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They warned us about the cost of the server transfer because of the possibility of server-less environment, this is no different than that. Since we got no warning something like this would happen we deserve some form of compensation for buying both games. All I am asking for is 1 free month. I dont think it is that hard to ask.

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You want a free month? You've gotten TWO. One for COH, one for COV. They're not giving everyone a free month when they open up access.

So you've already been "compensated." Even the people who got both games via GvE only got ONE month. The people who only bought one side? Just one month. Congrats. U R moar l33t.

Happy now?

 

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Can we get a Dev list of who's around and who stayed with Cryptic?

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Jack Emmert remains in his position as Creative Director of Cryptic Studios, that he has been doing back since he transitioned off the day-to day CoH team and Positron took over as the Lead Designer.

As was mentioned by Brian Clayton in his Dev Corner, the previous Cryptic Team Leads all join us, consisting of:

Matt “Positron” Miller (lead designer)
Aaron Brady (lead engineer)
Ken Morse (lead artist)

With one exception, everyone who was presented with an offer to stay on the City of Heroes team under the NCsoft banner has accepted and is looking forward to working hard on the future of the franchise! While this includes a good number of people, it also includes many of the familiar “red names” from the forums, such as: Melissa “War Witch” Bianco, Floyd “_Castle_” Grubb, Back Alley Brawler, Ghost Widow and “Sexy” Jay Doherty.

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Who's the one exception?

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All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to check it out!

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So I just bought both versions of the game...does this mean that I wasted my money and if I had waited a week, I could have paid half as much?

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Exactly. I am really pissed about this, there needs to be some form of compensation for those who did buy both games. Like maybe a free month or2 or something because this is totally unfair to those who spent their hard earned money on both games.

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There doesn't need to be any kind of compensation. You got to play the game for the time period between when you bought it and when it became free. You aren't entitled to anything else.

You aren't entitled to the game always being gated by money. I really don't see the basis for this argument.

The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.

 

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Can we get a Dev list of who's around and who stayed with Cryptic?

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Jack Emmert remains in his position as Creative Director of Cryptic Studios, that he has been doing back since he transitioned off the day-to day CoH team and Positron took over as the Lead Designer.

As was mentioned by Brian Clayton in his Dev Corner, the previous Cryptic Team Leads all join us, consisting of:

Matt “Positron” Miller (lead designer)
Aaron Brady (lead engineer)
Ken Morse (lead artist)

With one exception, everyone who was presented with an offer to stay on the City of Heroes team under the NCsoft banner has accepted and is looking forward to working hard on the future of the franchise! While this includes a good number of people, it also includes many of the familiar “red names” from the forums, such as: Melissa “War Witch” Bianco, Floyd “_Castle_” Grubb, Back Alley Brawler, Ghost Widow and “Sexy” Jay Doherty.

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Who's the one exception?

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... Jack "Statesman" Emmert who is staying with Cryptic.

Sign It : http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes

 

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well makes sense, the last co i know of that tried to run two compeateing lines was apple with the apple 2 and mac products,and we all know how that turned out,

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