Thread Title: PvP SG Ladder Entries
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BattleWraith,
Posted on: 2007-07-13 16:27 in Everything about PvP
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Not to mention, our match with OS was 8-5...so, yeah, we're really running up the scoreboard.
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are you suggesting that you could have run the score up on us if you wanted to?
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oooooooooooh SNAP!
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i could be wrong, but i think the real issue here is not so much who is or isn't runnin' up the scores, but the fact that doing so is tacitly encouraged by the ladder format.
i don't think it's a real big deal, but it's probably a good note for the next time a ladder is set up.
perhaps there's a more egalitarian method of breaking a tie between two SGs with the same record.
maybe we could do something like, in the event of a tie between 2 SGs, look at the historical records of the opposing teams defeated and add them up to determine who comes out ahead.
Maybe just a margin of victory, you know like if the score is 10-5 it is 50%, if its 10-0 its 100% and if its 100-0 its still 100%. This way you don't get anything extra for a higher kill count. Of course, the percentages could still be misleading if it is a low scoring match. So maybe just use a percentage of victory if the overall score is over 20 or something???
It won't matter anymore because we're all in head to head competition now and you move up and down the ladder based on individual wins. It was just for the initial rankings where you could possibly have a 3-way tie but its over now and we're all moving on. . .
but still. . .
oooooooooooh SNAP!
True, it really doesn't matter....and cinder still sucks
Not to cause any more trouble, but I'm a little confused about the rankings.
According to JAL's website, they didn't get a chance to fight ESK. So, they won four fights against OS, Vel, SW and HR, and lost one to us. That gives them an overall record of 4-1
Freaks fought all the groups in the ladder. We beat JAL, SW, HR, Vel and ESK, losing to OS. That would make us 5-1. I'm not sure how many people OS fought, but I think I remember them getting in all the matches.
If we're 5-1 and JaL's 4-1, how is JAL ranked above us? Or, if you're doing the "no fight counts as a loss" rule that you mentioned in the OP, they'd then be 4-2.
Tgia, is there any way you could clear this up? At this point with two wrong listings, I'd kind of like to see all the math open to the public.
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Not to cause any more trouble, but I'm a little confused about the rankings.
According to JAL's website, they didn't get a chance to fight ESK. So, they won four fights against OS, Vel, SW and HR, and lost one to us. That gives them an overall record of 4-1
Freaks fought all the groups in the ladder. We beat JAL, SW, HR, Vel and ESK, losing to OS. That would make us 5-1. I'm not sure how many people OS fought, but I think I remember them getting in all the matches.
If we're 5-1 and JaL's 4-1, how is JAL ranked above us? Or, if you're doing the "no fight counts as a loss" rule that you mentioned in the OP, they'd then be 4-2.
Tgia, is there any way you could clear this up? At this point with two wrong listings, I'd kind of like to see all the math open to the public.
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True, it really doesn't matter....and cinder still sucks
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pssht so jealous
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True, it really doesn't matter....and cinder still sucks balls like a pro
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pssht so jealous
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Who wouldn't be jealous of that?
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Not to cause any more trouble, but I'm a little confused about the rankings.
According to JAL's website, they didn't get a chance to fight ESK. So, they won four fights against OS, Vel, SW and HR, and lost one to us. That gives them an overall record of 4-1
Freaks fought all the groups in the ladder. We beat JAL, SW, HR, Vel and ESK, losing to OS. That would make us 5-1. I'm not sure how many people OS fought, but I think I remember them getting in all the matches.
If we're 5-1 and JaL's 4-1, how is JAL ranked above us? Or, if you're doing the "no fight counts as a loss" rule that you mentioned in the OP, they'd then be 4-2.
Tgia, is there any way you could clear this up? At this point with two wrong listings, I'd kind of like to see all the math open to the public.
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I really think it should've been made public to start with so everyone could see what was going on and there would be no questioning it.
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And my advice to all the new SGs is that. Don't take things too bad, because every SG out there has been destroyed before pleanty starting up or at some point. My advice is after a night you get beaten by another group, just form up a discussion on your SG website or wherever you want to and figure out what's going on, is it:
Spikes not happening fast enough
Spikes not coordinated
Buffs weak
Healing not on time
Lack of survivability skills on the group's part as a whole
Disorganization
Whatever you think really made an impact on your ability to do your job and figure out how to help fix it, do spike practices, small-size internals to help with more basic skills, really be proactive about it.
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I don't think any of us did after practices on Thursday. Even when the margin of defeat was one or two kills less or we had a couple more kills we saw it as an improvement. First time I had teamed with HR but I know a lot of the names from over the years. Just takes practice, can't gel and get better over night. I just want to compete, winning is nice, but playing is just as fun. Matches are better than no matches.
Cheers!
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True, it really doesn't matter....and cinder still sucks balls like a pro
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pssht so jealous
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Who wouldn't be jealous of that?
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i dunno, it's a huge accomplishment imo
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Not to cause any more trouble, but I'm a little confused about the rankings.
According to JAL's website, they didn't get a chance to fight ESK. So, they won four fights against OS, Vel, SW and HR, and lost one to us. That gives them an overall record of 4-1
Freaks fought all the groups in the ladder. We beat JAL, SW, HR, Vel and ESK, losing to OS. That would make us 5-1. I'm not sure how many people OS fought, but I think I remember them getting in all the matches.
If we're 5-1 and JaL's 4-1, how is JAL ranked above us? Or, if you're doing the "no fight counts as a loss" rule that you mentioned in the OP, they'd then be 4-2.
Tgia, is there any way you could clear this up? At this point with two wrong listings, I'd kind of like to see all the math open to the public.
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Old School fought everyone too - 5-1 too.
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Not to cause any more trouble, but I'm a little confused about the rankings.
According to JAL's website, they didn't get a chance to fight ESK. So, they won four fights against OS, Vel, SW and HR, and lost one to us. That gives them an overall record of 4-1
Freaks fought all the groups in the ladder. We beat JAL, SW, HR, Vel and ESK, losing to OS. That would make us 5-1. I'm not sure how many people OS fought, but I think I remember them getting in all the matches.
If we're 5-1 and JaL's 4-1, how is JAL ranked above us? Or, if you're doing the "no fight counts as a loss" rule that you mentioned in the OP, they'd then be 4-2.
Tgia, is there any way you could clear this up? At this point with two wrong listings, I'd kind of like to see all the math open to the public.
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Quite honestly, none of this really matters since all anyone has to do is challenge us and beat us....However, our match with ESK was listed as a forfeit since a match between us was agreed upon, created in the Arena terminal, listed, and ESK logged. I still don't know what happened, but they pretty much logged out all at once and we were left with an empty arena event after a match had been agreed upon.
This means a match was "scheduled", listed, and after 15 minutes of no-show, was concluded.
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Quite honestly, none of this really matters since all anyone has to do is challenge us and beat us....However, our match with ESK was listed as a forfeit since a match between us was agreed upon, created in the Arena terminal, listed, and ESK logged. I still don't know what happened, but they pretty much logged out all at once and we were left with an empty arena event after a match had been agreed upon.
This means a match was "scheduled", listed, and after 15 minutes of no-show, was concluded.
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It's true that it doesn't really matter all that much, what with there essentially being a three way tie for first that's being decided either by tie-breaking rules that weren't laid out properly beforehand or by ESK being tired and not wanting to fight you guys. No matter if OS, you, or we take the top spot, we all did a great job, losing only one match to each other.
That said, I think the rule that would apply would be from TGIA's post about setting up the initial rankings, where he says:
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Make sure you face every SG in the ladder on these two nights. If you do not face a group it will be counted as a loss for both groups.
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I don't think you faced ESK by any reasonable definition, colloquial or not. No more than all the challenges to whirligig (which wavered but decided not to face anyone because they didn't have enough players) count. I mean, he even later clarifies:
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Yes, if a team simply fails to show up you both take a hit.
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ESK did fail to show up to the match you say you "scheduled" with them, no?
I suppose it's up to TGIA. But I don't think you count as facing ESK, so I think OS, and not JAL, should have the top spot. I'd still greatly appreciate if all the appropriate numbers could be posted just so everyone can take a look.
No offense to any SG here, but just because ESK was tired shouldn't mean that the matches they do don't count...SW was tired by the end of our first match but we still did the rest of them :P.
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No offense to any SG here, but just because ESK was tired shouldn't mean that the matches they do don't count...SW was tired by the end of our first match but we still did the rest of them :P.
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I'm confused. 
The matches they do counted, as they should. I'm just saying a match they didn't do shouldn't count, or, should count as laid out by the rules of the initial rankings, i.e., a loss for both teams.
I mean, the matches that they didn't want to do, don't count as a loss for either team.
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I mean, the matches that they didn't want to do, don't count as a loss for either team.
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I'd be 100% fine with that as well. Either way, JAL's still one win behind Freaks and OS, since they didn't beat ESK.
And kudos to SW and all the other that stuck it out. 
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Quite honestly, none of this really matters since all anyone has to do is challenge us and beat us....However, our match with ESK was listed as a forfeit since a match between us was agreed upon, created in the Arena terminal, listed, and ESK logged. I still don't know what happened, but they pretty much logged out all at once and we were left with an empty arena event after a match had been agreed upon.
This means a match was "scheduled", listed, and after 15 minutes of no-show, was concluded.
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It's true that it doesn't really matter all that much, what with their essentially being a three way tie for first that's being decided either by a tie-breaking rule that weren't laid out properly beforehand or by ESK being tired and not wanting to fight you guys. No matter if OS, you, or we take the top spot, we all did a great job, losing only one match to each other.
That said, I think the rule that would apply would be from TGIA's post about setting up the initial rankings, where he says:
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Make sure you face every SG in the ladder on these two nights. If you do not face a group it will be counted as a loss for both groups.
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I don't think you faced ESK by any reasonable definition, colloquial or not. No more than all the challenges to whirligig (which wavered but decided not to face anyone because they didn't have enough players) count. I mean, he even later clarifies:
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Yes, if a team simply fails to show up you both take a hit.
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ESK did fail to show up to the match you say you "scheduled" with them, no?
I suppose it's up to TGIA. But I don't think you count as facing ESK, so I think OS, and not JAL, should have the top spot. I'd still greatly appreciate if all the appropriate numbers could be posted just so everyone can take a look.
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Not to cause any more issues but..
It kind of does matter...
The tie breaker rules were used under the assumption that the three teams were 5-1. That is not the case. Based on the rules Freaks and OS were tied 5-1, JAL was at 4-2 due to forfiet by ESK. I understand it is not your fault but it was the rules used to determine the top spot in case of tie to begin with. If those rules move you out of contention for that spot you cannot argue against it. (fancy talk for you can't have it both ways ).
but then I don't make the decision...
We need a ruling from TGIA about this. I also was under the impression that all 3 teams were 5-1.
serious business.
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This means a match was "scheduled", listed, and after 15 minutes of no-show, was concluded
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I don't understand the reasoning behind the "if a match doesn't happen, its a loss for both" rule. So it does seem wrong to say JAL is 4-2. But I know that you should not be able to claim their no show as a victory either. There was no set time and date for you to fight ESK and simply listing the match doesn't make it so. Perhaps you shouldn't be 4-2, but claiming 5-1 is incorrect.
Yes, they should be 4-1, not 4-2 and not 5-1.
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Not to mention, our match with OS was 8-5...so, yeah, we're really running up the scoreboard.
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are you suggesting that you could have run the score up on us if you wanted to?
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oooooooooooh SNAP!