Discussion: State of the Game Address
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Posted on: 2007-04-28 10:19 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I'm not of the doomsaying crowd...
but, the state of the game address felt like usual political fluff than substance.
that is all.
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Ditto.
No, I haven't read past the first page but this made me laugh so hard:
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Whats old is new again, and thats exactly what the team wanted the Invention System to do. Defeating your foes never felt as satisfying as when you get a great Recipe off them, something you need for your character or something that you can sell for big Influence on the Consignment Market.
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Yes, most definitely the old content which wasn't good for its own host of reasons will now suddenly become better because you get fat loot off of it. I know it's "just a public statement" so that's just pretty talk, but really - that line of thinking scares me. Risk vs. reward is already degenerated into tedium vs. reward enough. To think that Inventions will make sections of content good just like that is laughable, in my eyes.
I try to stay out of official discussion threads, but this really had rolling my eyes. Sorry.
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A villain group returns with a dramatic change that will shake the very foundation of Paragon City and the Rogue Isles.
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Issue 10: The [censored] Horse is Finally [censored] Dead
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA...........................
Like this forum would ever let THAT dead horse rest in peace.
Never!!! NEVER!!
Issue 10: The Dead Horse Rises & NAAAAAYYYYYYYSSSSSS for THEE!!!- For whom the hooves clop?! THEY CLOP FOR THEE!!!
Anyway, gratz on the 3 years!!!
Yay!!!!
"I'm not scared of anyone or anything Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?"
Jack Hawksmoor, The Authority.
I'll just laugh my [censored] off when it turns out it's not actually the 5th Column that returns but something completely different.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I think that's what they'll be doing, Sam. They'll expunge any hint of a connection to Nazis and probably won't even call them The 5th Column when they return. And they'll try to pass it off as being a "better, more interesting faction than before" (and maybe it will be) and the dead horse that won't really die will live on forever. Clippity clop, clippity clop, hooray! :P
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No, I haven't read past the first page but this made me laugh so hard:
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Whats old is new again, and thats exactly what the team wanted the Invention System to do. Defeating your foes never felt as satisfying as when you get a great Recipe off them, something you need for your character or something that you can sell for big Influence on the Consignment Market.
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Yes, most definitely the old content which wasn't good for its own host of reasons will now suddenly become better because you get fat loot off of it. I know it's "just a public statement" so that's just pretty talk, but really - that line of thinking scares me. Risk vs. reward is already degenerated into tedium vs. reward enough. To think that Inventions will make sections of content good just like that is laughable, in my eyes.
I try to stay out of official discussion threads, but this really had rolling my eyes. Sorry.
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It certainly won't make me run either Indigo's or Crimson's missions again, once was enough that's for sure.
Yeah, I hadn't considered that option. "Hey, the 5th Column is back, but now they're no longer nazi and they've changed their name to something much more frightening, as befits their new power. They are now called "The Dominators" and have turned to fascism as a more progressive ideology." So, yeah, can't eat your cake and have it too. That would certainly fit my feelings of things 
There is a reason I keep saying I'll believe the 5th Column is back when I see it. I just do not believe they will be back. Not as anything remotely what they were before. Until I can find a 5th Column soldier, punch him in the face and read "nazi" somewhere in the fiction of the enemy group, I'll retain that feeling.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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It certainly won't make me run either Indigo's or Crimson's missions again, once was enough that's for sure.
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I'm more concerned with old content they haven't touched with a 10 foot pole over the last three years, like the upper 30s and most of the 40s. As you said, some stuff just isn't good, and Inventions won't change that. I just hope the development team don't expect the prospect of drops to make up for bad content and that they don't use inventions to funnel us into less-used content. It's used less for a reason, after all.
I like the Inventions system and all, and I know it will make the game as a whole better, but let's not kid ourselves here - it won't fix any content problems the game had. Inventions will add "something else" to the game, which is good, but let's hope they don't try to shoehorn that "something else" into a solution to problems that ought to be fixed directly.
"Oi, Devs! That content sucks!"
"Oh, well, uh... Look! Here's some inventions! See? Shiny!"
Let's hope they have more foresight than that the "the old will be new again" was just publicity talk.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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To be critical this doesn't come across as a "State of Game Address", more like an "Issue 9" press release, and we've had enough of them.
I'd much rather hear about the things that are going to be addressed in I10 and what Cryptic considers the current top concerns. If you have to talk about Inventions I want to hear that you are going to review the new economy and consider adding IO base storage once its up and healthy.
In short, more info please.
This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
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I'm not of the doomsaying crowd...
but, the state of the game address felt like usual political fluff than substance.
that is all.
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Ditto.
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Indeed. The last two years the State of the Game was actaully interesting information from the developers, not fluff from the community people.
...I forgot what experience means.
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pfft. any travel except for super speed can get around the shard easily. You just need to have a little practice with the jump vents for SJ
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I swapped my SJ out for SuperSpeed on Test and was still able to go from Zulu to rim of the Storm Palace in about 15 minutes all via geyser jumps.
The Rularuu DID leave Paragon City. Except for one mission in Orenbega (?), they stay well away from our dimension now.
But anyway....
Happy Birthday Paragon City!!
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well, maybe now that the Fog of War doesn't keep resetting....
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A villain group returns with a dramatic change that will shake the very foundation of Paragon City and the Rogue Isles. An old friend returns as an enemy. Enemies will become friends.
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Doooooooooooooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, couldn't resist 
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No, I haven't read past the first page but this made me laugh so hard:
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Whats old is new again, and thats exactly what the team wanted the Invention System to do. Defeating your foes never felt as satisfying as when you get a great Recipe off them, something you need for your character or something that you can sell for big Influence on the Consignment Market.
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Yes, most definitely the old content which wasn't good for its own host of reasons will now suddenly become better because you get fat loot off of it. I know it's "just a public statement" so that's just pretty talk, but really - that line of thinking scares me. Risk vs. reward is already degenerated into tedium vs. reward enough. To think that Inventions will make sections of content good just like that is laughable, in my eyes.
I try to stay out of official discussion threads, but this really had rolling my eyes. Sorry.
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I agree, the overall statement didn't make me feel better about things, it made me roll my eyes.
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To be critical this doesn't come across as a "State of Game Address", more like an "Issue 9" press release, and we've had enough of them.
I'd much rather hear about the things that are going to be addressed in I10 and what Cryptic considers the current top concerns. If you have to talk about Inventions I want to hear that you are going to review the new economy and consider adding IO base storage once its up and healthy.
In short, more info please.
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I'd agree. I was looking forward to this for some insight into what is coming. I appreciate the hints, but can't wait for i9 to launch, not because of inventions but because I want to see what's next.
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Normally, I'm glued to the computer waiting for the upcoming release...
this time... its going to happen, I'll probably download it, and then play... sometime this week... because I'm just not all that excited about it.
Heck, I need more writing time anyway...
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Nothing against Lighthouse but he is just an NCSoft employee.
I am disappointed that neither Statesman nor Positron felt they had the time to create a State of the Game address marking the third anniversary of their game. To me it is an indication of how important this game is to them.
Jeez Louise! I9 isn't even out yet, but people are complaining about I10 already?
And for my 2 cents, Hero 1 will be coming back, of course. The rest of the crew that went to the Rikti homeworld will be with him. Should be some interesting Task Forces on their way.
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I am disappointed that neither Statesman nor Positron felt they had the time to create a State of the Game address marking the third anniversary of their game. To me it is an indication of how important this game is to them.
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Yes - too busy working to make sure I9 is as good as it can be
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Lot's of hints that I am looking forward to actually. I hope i10 and beyond will flow much faster now than inventions, one of the largest hurdles in the game, has been overcome.
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Nothing against Lighthouse but he is just an NCSoft employee.
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To be fair, we shouldn't be slinging our mud at Lighthouse. The guy is just doing his job - making an announcement. I have a sneaking suspicion it wasn't even text he wrote, just something that was passed down to him to make an announcement on. And even if it WAS his text, he's not the one who's job it is to evaluate the state of the game, have an overview of the general goals and have a knowledge of the game's problems.
I'd definitely much rather take a freehand address by a member of the development team than a press release by PR, really. That's part of why I'm so cross with it - it's nothing more than Issue 9 PR, and quite shallow such, at that.
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I'm not of the doomsaying crowd...
but, the state of the game address felt like usual political fluff than substance.
that is all.
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Wait...when has it not? It's not like they're going to come out and say "Well I think we're doing a pretty good job keeping you all giving us money, we've got a ton of new stuff on the horizon, now that we've hooked the loot crowd and the PvPers are starting to calm down, we're heading straight into an Issue that's guaranteed to make the story-driven folks pay us for at least another 9 months, and finally give people a new reason to play a character past level 38."
I've been here for every Issue and it's hilarious to me to see the same patterns over and over again. If I were the Devs I would have some posts printed out and hanging on my wall.
"What's going to happen when World of Warcraft comes out? We're gonna keep people around then?" - Issue 4
"What's gonna happen when the Marvel MMO comes out, we gonna keep people around then?" - Issue 9
I think you're doing a fine job Los Gatos crew. You make your mistakes like anyone else but I'm still having fun, with three characters waiting at ten to enjoy inventions from the ground up and four characters at 32-34 waiting for Issue 10 to give them new content to blow through!
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Jeez Louise! I9 isn't even out yet, but people are complaining about I10 already?
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Erm, No. People are commenting on the fact that the State of the Game address does not address the state of the game.
This is a song about a super hero named Tony. Its called Tony's theme.
Jagged Reged: 23/01/04
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Ok if Hero1 comes back as a villian is he gonna take our capes away 
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I think the real question is, why does Hero 1's memorial keep moving? I've seen it in Perez, Galaxy, Atlas, and Skyway. Does it also have it's own pocket dimension?
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Wooooo! My first time being the first after a red name!
edit, after reading post: The Column shall rise again!
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Ok I seriously need to say this....
What makes you so special on posting first after a dev? Tell me. I don't get this phenomena. I made a thread about a month ago on this but eventually it got derailed too far by some people so it was locked. But yet this keeps happening and mods don't seem to care.
Yeah, I can just not read it, but its a little hard when its right after a dev. You wasted your time to post "Weee, I'm so special I posted first after a dev! I want a cookie!" then went back and edited saying "Oh...after reading it, here's something to contribute to what was posted" (not exact quotes but still damn close).
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And I seriously need to agree with that. It's GOT to be one of the most annoying current Trends.
'First!' posts just Gotta Go.
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
"The tip of a shoelace is called an aglet, its true purpose is sinister." The Question
Good, I'm looking to some really foundation shaking storyline developments. Maybe the next couple-few issues we can see storyline updates that move the storyline forward.