Cross-sever influence transfer?
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Posted on: 2007-03-08 09:32 in The Market and Inventions
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(Yes, that's only counting level 50s. Anyone below 50 doesn't exist as far as the market is concerned.)
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The problem with your theory is that neither I nor anyone else is going to do that. We won't even pay 1 million. If the last 10 went for 100K then that's the ballpark we're going to play in, because we don't HAVE to go higher. We all know the market punishes sellers for trying to get high prices so there's no reason for us to pay high prices.
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Okay, these two comments don't seem to work well together. If the last 10 being 100k causes all the 50s to play at 100k, then how are they cutting out anyone below 50?
Because then the fifties can more than the less-than-fifties, or something, I guess.
never mind that if someone of a lower level spot the recipe and bids a high enough bid first, they get it.
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You throw out Magic cards?
Commons are good. Just because something is common doesn't mean its worthless, has no purpose or won't work. Same reasons as NancY pointed out, on top of people like me helping out lower level SG mates (especially new players, or new to the server players) or just n00bs in general.
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You throw out Magic cards?
Commons are good. Just because something is common doesn't mean its worthless, has no purpose or won't work. Same reasons as NancY pointed out, on top of people like me helping out lower level SG mates (especially new players, or new to the server players) or just n00bs in general.
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Not Magic, but in a couple games I played I kept 16-20 of each common for multiple decks. But in order to get what I was after I would end up with 30+ of those commons, so yes the extras hit the garbage. I only have so much space to store this stuff.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Ok, here's what I think.
Lvl 50 Venture wants a rare IO. Venture will not see what he wants up for sale. Venture will also never see that the last 10 of those items sold each went for 100k. Venture will have to submit a buy order just like everyone else, without any clue of the value of the other peoples' buy orders. I'm probably missing something, but I think this virtually guarantees a gradual inflation of the price of that IO.
On the other hand, I'll guess that Venture is only interested in IOs lvl 50-53. Lvl 30 Kitsune9Tails is not going to make a killing on her lvl 30 version of that IO, at least not a lvl 50 size killing.
That's my prediction.
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Venture will also never see that the last 10 of those items sold each went for 100k
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I'm not sure this will be the case. I think if you're putting up a LTB order for something they would give you the last-10-sold information for whatever it is you're looking to buy. If they only give that out to sellers or people "bidding" on an existing sale then we have a problem.
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Venture will also never see that the last 10 of those items sold each went for 100k
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I'm not sure this will be the case. I think if you're putting up a LTB order for something they would give you the last-10-sold information for whatever it is you're looking to buy. If they only give that out to sellers or people "bidding" on an existing sale then we have a problem.
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I'm sorry. I see I worded that awkwardly. I mean to say that Venture WILL see what the last 10 sold for, but that it won't show 10 sales of 100k each. I think he'll look at the list and see steadily rising sale-prices, at least for anything rare.
You risk 5k to price an item at 50k. If that item sells at 100k, you get 95k.
You risk 1 inf to price an item at 10 inf. If that item then sells at 100k, you get 95k.
I think once the market steadies, you'll see sales amounts slowly creeping down, as sellers try to get away with less and less risk, and buyers try to match them.
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Software to match the lowest order to the lowest offer is not a bad idea
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I suspect that's the way it'll work. Otherwise, no lower level folk will have the slightest chance at all of getting that rare piece of salvage or IO they need because of the multitude of 50s out there constantly putting up Buy Orders with extravagant prices.
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Well, okay, so in my example Kitsune9tails makes 80-100k, and you save several million inf. I'm still not sad and crying yet. Are you? 
Now in my example Kitsune9tails isn't trading her rare IO for another rare IO because she's not concerned about it; she can't use it herself, she's not teamed, she just wants to empty her tray. The last thing on her mind is taking an hour off from stuff she considers fun to haggle with some 50. So she just dumps the IO at WentPrime. Any money she gets over her asking price is gravy.
Friendly advice: if it is possible that people will be creeping up on prices from below, give your item a wierd random price like 81056 inf instead of 80k. You'll be glad you did.
An Ebay style system might also work, but it's a moot point in comparison to this system...level 30s aren't going to be able to buy anything that level 50s want anyway.
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All of this can be solved by making sure that the unique IO's are a common-ish drop. You can only have one per character as it is. Being common stops any horrendous advantage these may give the stupid-rich in pvp vs others, not that i'm a pvp'er but it is a balance issue. Being common also means that the casual player will have just as much of a chance to slot these as mr moneybutt does.
Same goes for rare drops, they should be more like an uncommon style drop so that we don't get people trying to corner the market. We'll have to see what the developers decide for the drop rate to be and that will affect how easy / hard it will be to abuse the market.
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Software to match the lowest order to the lowest offer is not a bad idea
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I suspect that's the way it'll work. Otherwise, no lower level folk will have the slightest chance at all of getting that rare piece of salvage or IO they need because of the multitude of 50s out there constantly putting up Buy Orders with extravagant prices.
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Except Posi already said that wasn't the way it currently works. I agree that matching the prices makes way more sense, but that does not increase its likelihood of getting implemented.
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I'm sorry but I just can't fathom why people are complaining that our new auction system will work like an actual auction does.
It's not designed for you to transfer stuff between your alts.
If you use it for such, your doing so at your own risk.
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First of all, that isn't our only concern. I don't much care about transferring between alts. I will continue to do that the way I always have. A more general concern is that WW's will not faciltate the circulation of items in a fair manner.
Specifically, those who want to sell their items for a fair price will be easily undercut by those who reduce their price. Now, in direct trade, this will would be naturally balanced because the seller would only receive the paltry sum he offered it for. But, in this system, they are rewarded with the highest bid! It is madness.
Second, it does not work like an auction. In an auction, multiple buyers compete for a certain SPECIFIC item. You don't bid on a type of car in an auction. You bid on a specific, individual car in an auction. There aren't multiple sellers because there is only one item. Likewise, there are no such things as buy orders because there is only one item.
In this case, there are multiple buyers and sellers and you bid on a "class" of item. Meaning, the listing is for a "lvl 50 health SO", not "Mr. Jones' lvl 50 health SO". This is a subtle but important distinction. For one thing, this means that there aren't multiple bids which drive the price up on that specific offering by Mr. Jones. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing that this isn't an auction. In fact, I think it is much better in my personal opinion. Whether you agree or not about which is better, the fact remains, WW's is NOT an auction. A consignment system is a better description.
The fact that people are not allowed to purchase specific offers or sell to specific buy orders in the WW system is what complicates this issue. For whatever reason, the devs are blurring the lines by taking elements of "blind auctions" and inserting them into the consignment system to create WW's. I can't think of one issue with direct purchase consignment trading that the proposed WW system fixes. The only one it seems to even address, not fix, is the inf transfer system but that's like paving your garden to get rid of weeds. If that is their only concern with a direct trade system then they should address that problem directly by disallowing trades between characters on the same account.
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The fact that people are not allowed to purchase specific offers or sell to specific buy orders in the WW system is what complicates this issue. For whatever reason, the devs are blurring the lines by taking elements of "blind auctions" and inserting them into the consignment system to create WW's. I can't think of one issue with direct purchase consignment trading that the proposed WW system fixes. The only one it seems to even address, not fix, is the inf transfer system but that's like paving your garden to get rid of weeds. If that is their only concern with a direct trade system then they should address that problem directly by disallowing trades between characters on the same account.
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You throw out Magic cards?
Commons are good. Just because something is common doesn't mean its worthless, has no purpose or won't work. Same reasons as NancY pointed out, on top of people like me helping out lower level SG mates (especially new players, or new to the server players) or just n00bs in general.