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Realize that the triangles are not only your problem. Controllers have the same problem. And with that, farewell.
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OK, with triangles up, controllers can do some of, what?;
Debuff the AVs movement, recharge, accuracy, damage, defence or resistance
Buff his team mate's health, movement, recharge, accuracy, damage, defence or resistances
(ie, buff and debuff, but expanded to make a point of it)
What can a dominator do when triangles are up?
Attack with the ranged section of their secondary, or the whole of it depending on buffs/debuffs. This means damage output from the dominator is anything from the normal damage output to around half defender damage.
=> worst case scenario we'd be a defender with none of their primary, half their secondary attacks, and lots of power pool choices like flurry and jump kick which they never use.
Would you really want that character on your team?
I really don't think it's the same problem, though I definately agree it is just as unfair that much of both primaries is negated.
Otherwise, I wish people got over the idea of giving melee a 'higher' damage modifier vs ranged and balencing around that - there's no point. We don't have a whole powerset's worth of ranged attacks to fall back on if we can't melee, and we don't have a whole powerset of melee powers to use when we're there. My reward for going into melee is I can use all my attack powers. If I stay at range I can use half of them. So really I'm 'doubling' my damage output if I go into melee.
I am enjoying playing my dominators infinately more than any other class in either CoH or CoV, only one who comes close is my Blaster (who plays in a similar way, mez and destroy). Does that mean I didn't get my 4th debt badge with my dom? Can my dominator be buffed up and be as good as any other AT when it gets buffed up? Not really, no. In the process of buff/debuff escallation, doms will be forgotton, they don't bring any buffs, and they don't linearly benefit as much - 100% more dominator damage or 100% more brute damage, you pick, and who needs control when you can 2 shot spawns which can't hit you? Maybe we could with permadomination, but really, the entire game falls apart with that level of recharge buffs - perma domination would also give you a 30 second recharge on a 90 second power if you had 2 recharges in it as well, like in for example flash fire. A completely unslotted Seeds of confusion would recharge before its domination enhanced duration expired. There is no real PvE balence in this area. PvP, you better believe that there is immence buff/debuff escallation going on constantly, and control is a little side factor as mez suppression and break frees are always going to doom us (we have to hold stuff until our damage eventually defeates it, no mez => poor survival)
My only problem with the dominator is that if, and invariably when, mez fails, particulary in the case of mez resistance, we die. That, or my damage potential gets cut in half, and that's all I have, mez and damage.
Also, seriously, who slots their hold for damage? Maybe someone who doesn't have a secondary full of attacks which will give similar damage... apparently I can chainhold an even level boss with my level 11 dominator without dom, if I don't miss...
See I told you to delete this thread a long time ago now look what we got 
Well after reading what all of what everyone is saying I don't think this is a bug or exploit. Would be nice if a dev did come back and say one way or the other or just that they were looking into this. We do need some sort of feedback that aren't from PM's.
and people call me a troll? lol
at least i've played doms and tend to underestimate them (slightly) instead of having no idea what they are (and especially aren't) capable of
I think the best solution would be to give Doms a weak status protection power in their secondary, so they can use their assault powers and not have to cower if a hold misses...
Got to see my first (and hopefully not last) instance of double dom.
The team I was on blew up a piece of lab equipment and received hasten. Next, one.... more hasten! The plant/ice dom with us clicked her own hasten. Three hastens and a full dom bar...... It was so beautiful. I swear it almost seemed like eight minutes before they finally lost all their domination bar. The damage was crazy good, and I just quit fighting so I could watch them go nuts.
I think it'll take a solid three months til brute SMASH seems good to me again. >.<
just get a forge on ya when you tank a AV and you'll feel like a god again
i love fury. scrappers seem real boring now that i've played brutes
Ok, so in a vain attempt to calm this thread down, I would like to ask if anyone has succeeded in creating a Double Domination situation outside of the two posted here that involve the destroyed lab equipment hasten boost?
Dominators don't need mitigation from their secondaries. Even if they did, there's ice (slows), psi (-recharge), and fire and elec (death).
-Talen_Lee commenting on Energy Assault's Utility
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I swear it almost seemed like eight minutes
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How many dominations is that... because if I'm right, that IS perma domination.
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Got to see my first (and hopefully not last) instance of double dom.
The team I was on blew up a piece of lab equipment and received hasten. Next, one.... more hasten! The plant/ice dom with us clicked her own hasten. Three hastens and a full dom bar...... It was so beautiful. I swear it almost seemed like eight minutes before they finally lost all their domination bar. The damage was crazy good, and I just quit fighting so I could watch them go nuts.
I think it'll take a solid three months til brute SMASH seems good to me again. >.<
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Nice thats the same thing that happened to me.
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Ok, so in a vain attempt to calm this thread down, I would like to ask if anyone has succeeded in creating a Double Domination situation outside of the two posted here that involve the destroyed lab equipment hasten boost?
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The numbers posted earlier showed that hasten plus 2 speed boosts would result in a overlap of domination.
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Don't worry, the devs don't read this board 
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I wouldn't say that.
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/dies
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Ok, so in a vain attempt to calm this thread down, I would like to ask if anyone has succeeded in creating a Double Domination situation outside of the two posted here that involve the destroyed lab equipment hasten boost?
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Went to the arena yesterday to check this out with some SG friends...
2 Kins, 1 Rad, and me with Hasten = Perma-Hasten, Perma-AM, and Perma-Dom.
Once I'd popped Dom at the start of the match I was able to chain it indefinitely, so long as I was kept sped up to the eyeballs.
I felt sorry for my poor Dark/Dark Brute punchbag
It appeared that for the short period of Double Domination I got, my holds hit for Mag 9 (3+3+3), as it still took two holds to break through the Brute's mez shield (it takes two with single Domination too) - that's what I expected, given how the Domination effect on mezzes has been described in the Prima guide.
Now of course this was a very artificial situation - it was effectively 4 on 1, and the Brute wasn't fighting back anyway (aside from the occasional Dark/ heal), the three defenders I had were all dedicated to keeping me juiced up. I would have only been able to keep up Perma-Dom if I remained alive and everyone else was able to keep me buffed at the right times.
In a true PvP situation I would no doubt have been target #1 (even moreso than usual) and died very quickly (Double Domination doesn't last very long at all, and regular Domination isn't exactly God mode).
In regular PvE you would need a very patient and attentive team (with specific powersets of course) to achieve this.
I'm gonna go ahead and say this is something introduced by issue 7 or a subsequent patch. Back before I7 dropped and I was leveling my MC/Psi, I used to run on 3 /kin teams on a regular basis and had hasten and I damn well would've noticed if Dom made it back up while it was still active. Of course, lately I've been running on 4 /kin teams but with my stalker... I might have to switch back to my dom now XD
They reduced Dominations Recharge in I7. You wouldn't have been able to get Permadomination with 3 /Kins + Hasten in I6.
300 / (1 + .7 + (.5 * 3))
Phantom Rose: Ill / Kin / Psi
Soleau: Ice / Icy / Ice / Core: Ice / Fire / Pyre / Wind / Eclipse / Flare / Corona
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Solo Space
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2 Kins, 1 Rad, and me with Hasten = Perma-Hasten, Perma-AM, and Perma-Dom.
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I suggest everyone go out and enjoy this as long as possible, because I predict it's gunna go away fast. If it doesn't, go out and enjoy it anyways 
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Power Boost does not affect recharge. Blaster, Controller, Dominator...
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true, but it increases the secondary effects
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Ok, so in a vain attempt to calm this thread down, I would like to ask if anyone has succeeded in creating a Double Domination situation outside of the two posted here that involve the destroyed lab equipment hasten boost?
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Sure. About a week before this thread started, I was on a team with 2 rad corruptors (the FOTM to end all FOTM builds), who used AM at the same time, and a kin who gave me SB, and I used hasten. We were about to fight a nasty EB.
I was really surprised to see the domination button blink as "recharged" so fast - while I still had domination running. So out of curiosity I clicked it, and sure enough - double domination. Actually, I was able to do this 3 times: guess you could call it a three-peat. I just missed a four-peat (I was casting my single target hold and in that split second, my current domination bar faded, just before domination recharged).
But I sure as hell wasn't about to announce this to the devs by starting a thread about it (and was shocked to see someone do so)! 
Hello, McFly...
Had a strange thought. What if the devs actually take one of my suggestions and allowed villians to cooperate on Hami-raids. Wonder how many Dominations we could actually get? Wouldn't that show those loser Controllers?
Ummm ... the possibilities.
I play a triple box set involveing 2 /kin corrs....it's PL TYME!
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I suggest everyone go out and enjoy this as long as possible, because I predict it's gunna go away fast. If it doesn't, go out and enjoy it anyways
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Just got it for the first time last night, soloing, no less.
I was doing a Rikti mission, and used seeds on several guardians to get AM triple stacked.
BOOM BOOM BOOM, went the Dom.
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Had a strange thought. What if the devs actually take one of my suggestions and allowed villians to cooperate on Hami-raids. Wonder how many Dominations we could actually get? Wouldn't that show those loser Controllers?
Ummm ... the possibilities.
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All ways thought the "united" threat would be something like hami, which is why the thread that controllers threaten doms so laughable. Fighting Hami makes a dom more attractive than the controller because of domination. . . except for the attacks through hold things. I've been on vacation, please tell me hami no longer does that . . .
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no hami can still use one attack through holds. nice change. people can still beat him pretty easy, just keeps em on their toes a little bit more
Hate to bring up an old topic but I know how people hate new posts on old subjects, so I figured I would just ask my question through this.
I know that when in Double Domination you get like 150% damage boost, but what happens to your mezzes does another 50% duration get added to it? How much mag is added on?
"Yes, winning all the time can be boring."
-Knight_Chill
"It's amazing how well you can put up with endurance issues if you hide them under a large enough pile of bodies."
-Spiritchaser speaking on Dom Revamp
Nevermind read post by _Brev_ sorry.
"Yes, winning all the time can be boring."
-Knight_Chill
"It's amazing how well you can put up with endurance issues if you hide them under a large enough pile of bodies."
-Spiritchaser speaking on Dom Revamp
Radiation cant give RA........... its AM, it boost end reconv a little, health regen a little, speed... got a bit of everything.