DOUBLE DOMINATION!
i have a corruptor with SpeedBoost on Virtue if anyone wants to test. PM me
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Don't worry, the devs don't read this board
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I wouldn't say that.
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Objective One - Dev Posts in the Dominator Forum: Complete!
Objective Two - Meaningful Dev Posts in the Dominator Forum: Go!
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Holy crap. My guy already has some sort of Super-saiyan like transformation when he hits Domination...
You just discovered Super Saiyan 2.
/drool.
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I'll make super saiyan 5! Then maybe my hair will turn red! *calls up all /kin corruptors to team*
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oh wahhh, its not like its a huge bug even if it is a bug. Again the only way I was able to make it happen was with 2 rad corrupters, hasten, and the temp power for the crey map "objects". I have a feeling you need a whole arnsenal of /rad or /kin to replicate that temporary power.
It was still pretty freaking cool, just wanted to relate a story is all.
Oh and to all those complaining about the game being buggy and lack of dev response that is trolling. This thread was strictly for the discussion of achieving overlapping domniation.
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I'm pretty sure that if it requires at least two people of a specific secondary to achieve that level of power, it's not overpowered. I think that classifies as "working as intended."
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Oh, I beg to differ. Just the fact that Posi posted in this thread is clear warning this is gonna get fixed real fast. Do you really think he'd be trolling a thread entitled "New bug in Domination"? But "DOUBLE DOMINATION!", now THAT gets their attention.
And yes, I do think that even though it requires 2 other people to pull off, it will still be classified as an exploit and fixed ASAP. Cause really, what's to stop you and your 2 buddies from plowing thru the game in record time, PLing your SG mates, stockpiling prestige for your base, infamy you can sell on eBay... this list goes on.
But I guess we'll just have to wait and see. And hey, if I'm wrong I'll be the first to apologize. But I can 90% guarantee Posi has spent the better part of today figuring out a way to make this impossible.
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You really need to take a breather. Relax, take a break, and put things into perspective...
How long has windows been out? There are people that rely on that for business, etc, and since windows 1.0 in 1980-something, there have always been bugs. It doesn't surprise me in the least that there are bugs in this game. Is it right that the game crashes? Should we be bowing before the devs? No on both accounts. This is no different than i1 smoke grenade having the decimal in the wrong place.
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I don't have an issue with there being bugs. There will always be bugs.
I have an issue with their priorities. When player powers are broken, and it works against us, we first have to PROVE there is an issue (which is like trying to pull teeth out of a rhino), then get a dev to confirm there is an issue (like trying to pull tusks from an elephant), and then we wait, sometimes months, for a fix for our "broken" powers ("we've fixed it internally, and we're waiting for just the right patch to release it..."). The same holds true when something with the mobs is broken in a way that negatively impacts us (um, can we say "Earth Thorn Casters" that are STILL massively overpowered?) Basically, don't hold your breath waiting for this stuff to get fixed.
But when a bug is found that gives players a benefit -- HO, MARY, HOLD THE PRESSES! Everything stops dead and in less time than it takes to change your undies there is a patch on the test server and whammo, its on live. Cause it's perfectly ok when things are bugged against us, but when they're bugged for us it becomes #1 priority to fix, regardless of how many people are actually affected. Sorry, this pisses me off.
Perfect example: someone discovered you could confuse a player in a PvP zone and that person could quickly run thru the gate to Atlas Park and start nuking lowbies. Despite all the other fixes we've been promised and we're waiting for (the AV regen rollback, the fix for the sound looping, global chat issues) this rare bug gets top priority and makes it to live in LESS THAN 5 DAYS. Now yes it's a bug, and yes it needs to get fixed. But comn, Atlas Park? 99% of the people there can't even get debt. If it happens, you report it via petition and the people responsible are dealt with. Big friggin deal. But to have everything else put on hold so that THIS can be fixed... that's just fuku BS crapola.
And this is not the first time. It's happened many times before, like when it was disovered that siphon speed could be slotted to bypass ED (oh NO! we can't have that!!!), and when a similar issue was discovered with HOs. Basically, anything that gives us an "unintended" advantage gets fixed immeditately, and the stuff that gets us killed, well, they'll get to it eventually.
So like I said, I expect we'll all have to wait a little bit longer for the currently queued bugfixes while the devs make this issue their #1 priority, and I fully expect a patch to be in place on live by the fourth of July.
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So remember:
Players killing off the newest of the newbies, the people that help keep the game going: Not a big deal.
Losing an aspect to a power you've never even used? Freaking end of the world!
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oh wahhh, its not like its a huge bug even if it is a bug. Again the only way I was able to make it happen was with 2 rad corrupters, hasten, and the temp power for the crey map "objects". I have a feeling you need a whole arnsenal of /rad or /kin to replicate that temporary power.
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I dunno ShrikeX. It seems like it's plenty easy to get 2 or 3 /Rad Corrupters whenever you want to take down an AV. At least that is the impression I get when reading the posts on how Corrupters are preferred. So I'm not so sure why it's a stretch to say that you need 2 or 3 /Kin Corrupters. Unless it's a one way street agrument that is based on being unfair but I don't think anyone would do that knowingly.
Thanks for posting the experience. Probably another case where I would have too busy to even notice my Dom button ready again had it been me.
You know. I don't see where this is a bug or not working as intended.
The devs had said this is a team game. You HAVE to do this with the help of multiple team members. You cannot do it solo. How is it a bug?
One minute. Let me reread Positrons post.
hmm
ok
yeah
Holy fish paste. Nowhere in there did he say it was a bug.
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I'm not sure I'd expect this to keep working like that for very long
Sounds like something they hadn't thought of.
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Or it IS something they've thought of, and that's why Doms are so lackluster overall?
I've already forgotten about most of you
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Sounds like a bug to me. Seems like the one on test where the domination bar would not fall after you exited a mission.
Of course I hope it isn't.
Still 2 /kins are great.
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The domination bar wouldn't fall ever?
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IIRC it would drop much more slowly than normal.
Regarding stacking domination, I would love to team w/ 3+ kins to try it. I've teamed w/ 2 kins in i6 and have hasten but never was able to stack it.
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Perfect example: someone discovered you could confuse a player in a PvP zone and that person could quickly run thru the gate to Atlas Park and start nuking lowbies. Despite all the other fixes we've been promised and we're waiting for (the AV regen rollback, the fix for the sound looping, global chat issues) this rare bug gets top priority and makes it to live in LESS THAN 5 DAYS. Now yes it's a bug, and yes it needs to get fixed. But comn, Atlas Park? 99% of the people there can't even get debt. If it happens, you report it via petition and the people responsible are dealt with. Big friggin deal. But to have everything else put on hold so that THIS can be fixed... that's just fuku BS crapola.
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The confuse bug was used in pocket D during a player event.
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I'm not sure I'd expect this to keep working like that for very long
Sounds like something they hadn't thought of.
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Or it IS something they've thought of, and that's why Doms are so lackluster overall?
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The devs have said previously that some powers are intended to be used with others in order to bring them to their fullest potential.
Fear from Burn (and the rains)? AoE slow / hold / immob (per States).
Aggro from force bubble? Taunt-bot (per _Castle_).
Drained of end? Transference.
Non-perma RA, haste, you name it? AM and SB.
I'm not saying that the domination thing is or isn't a bug, just that the devs don't have a lot of problems with players being significantly boosted by buffs; it's self-buffing into perma-godhood with no downside they have issues with.
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But when a bug is found that gives players a benefit -- HO, MARY, HOLD THE PRESSES! Everything stops dead and in less time than it takes to change your undies there is a patch on the test server and whammo, its on live.
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Extremely selective memory, there.
Stuff that can be abused against other players (hello, PvP) gets high priority and rightly so.
Stuff that's PvE (and stuff that predates PvP) appears to be put in the hopper like everything else.
I believe somebody mentioned Smoke Grenade, and that took many months before it got fixed.
<grampa_voice>Yeah, sonny, I was there</grampa_voice> (The Excession is AR/Dev and was rolled during CoH pre-launch. You do the math.)
I can think of a number of others, some quite abusable (s/k moving out of range for example), and eventually a patch would come and they would go away, but I can only think of a couple of patches that were obviously put on an express release schedule.
So put another way, if the typical fix takes less time than it takes you to change your undies, you'd be spending a great deal of your time with mightly smelly undies.
adding code that a power doesnt stack has been done before i.e. hasten, so if it is nerfed its probally a simple fix some guy could do on his break while eating a ham sandwhich and take 5 mins.
OMG THEY CHOOSE TO FIX THIS FIRST is stupid they usally fix things that are easy to fix fast, why? cuz its easy to fix.
big deal no one knew about it before this and if it stays WOOT for dominators, if it doesnt ok, not like you guys used it, stop trying putting on the tin foil hats
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You really need to take a breather. Relax, take a break, and put things into perspective...
How long has windows been out? There are people that rely on that for business, etc, and since windows 1.0 in 1980-something, there have always been bugs. It doesn't surprise me in the least that there are bugs in this game. Is it right that the game crashes? Should we be bowing before the devs? No on both accounts. This is no different than i1 smoke grenade having the decimal in the wrong place.
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I don't have an issue with there being bugs. There will always be bugs.
I have an issue with their priorities. When player powers are broken, and it works against us, we first have to PROVE there is an issue (which is like trying to pull teeth out of a rhino), then get a dev to confirm there is an issue (like trying to pull tusks from an elephant), and then we wait, sometimes months, for a fix for our "broken" powers ("we've fixed it internally, and we're waiting for just the right patch to release it..."). The same holds true when something with the mobs is broken in a way that negatively impacts us (um, can we say "Earth Thorn Casters" that are STILL massively overpowered?) Basically, don't hold your breath waiting for this stuff to get fixed.
But when a bug is found that gives players a benefit -- HO, MARY, HOLD THE PRESSES! Everything stops dead and in less time than it takes to change your undies there is a patch on the test server and whammo, its on live. Cause it's perfectly ok when things are bugged against us, but when they're bugged for us it becomes #1 priority to fix, regardless of how many people are actually affected. Sorry, this pisses me off.
Perfect example: someone discovered you could confuse a player in a PvP zone and that person could quickly run thru the gate to Atlas Park and start nuking lowbies. Despite all the other fixes we've been promised and we're waiting for (the AV regen rollback, the fix for the sound looping, global chat issues) this rare bug gets top priority and makes it to live in LESS THAN 5 DAYS. Now yes it's a bug, and yes it needs to get fixed. But comn, Atlas Park? 99% of the people there can't even get debt. If it happens, you report it via petition and the people responsible are dealt with. Big friggin deal. But to have everything else put on hold so that THIS can be fixed... that's just fuku BS crapola.
And this is not the first time. It's happened many times before, like when it was disovered that siphon speed could be slotted to bypass ED (oh NO! we can't have that!!!), and when a similar issue was discovered with HOs. Basically, anything that gives us an "unintended" advantage gets fixed immeditately, and the stuff that gets us killed, well, they'll get to it eventually.
So like I said, I expect we'll all have to wait a little bit longer for the currently queued bugfixes while the devs make this issue their #1 priority, and I fully expect a patch to be in place on live by the fourth of July.
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So remember:
Players killing off the newest of the newbies, the people that help keep the game going: Not a big deal.
Losing an aspect to a power you've never even used? Freaking end of the world!
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Newbies being killed by other players because of a bug and earning ZERO debt
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My team being killed multiple times by an AV or giant monster, all of us racking up bars of debt, because even with 2 corruptor's -regen debuffs we still can't kill them
Hmmm... what to choose, what to choose...
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I'm not sure I'd expect this to keep working like that for very long
Sounds like something they hadn't thought of.
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Or it IS something they've thought of, and that's why Doms are so lackluster overall?
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The devs have said previously that some powers are intended to be used with others in order to bring them to their fullest potential.
Fear from Burn (and the rains)? AoE slow / hold / immob (per States).
Aggro from force bubble? Taunt-bot (per _Castle_).
Drained of end? Transference.
Non-perma RA, haste, you name it? AM and SB.
I'm not saying that the domination thing is or isn't a bug, just that the devs don't have a lot of problems with players being significantly boosted by buffs; it's self-buffing into perma-godhood with no downside they have issues with.
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Well let me propose this hypothetical:
Let's say you discover that with full recharge slotting, hasten, and some slotted up speed boosts you could make Unstoppable perma again, basically giving you capped resists, nearly unbreakable mez protection, a +end recovery, not to mention unsuppressable speed, all in a click power that can't be detoggled.
How long do you think it would take the devs to "fix" that once they found out about it? Or do you think because it's something that requires a "team", they would think it was OK? Consider both PvP and PvE.
Something to think about.
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adding code that a power doesnt stack has been done before i.e. hasten, so if it is nerfed its probally a simple fix some guy could do on his break while eating a ham sandwhich and take 5 mins.
OMG THEY CHOOSE TO FIX THIS FIRST is stupid they usally fix things that are easy to fix fast, why? cuz its easy to fix.
big deal no one knew about it before this and if it stays WOOT for dominators, if it doesnt ok, not like you guys used it, stop trying putting on the tin foil hats
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And y'know what, fixing the regen rate of AVs and GMs is just as easy. Open up the database, change the regen number. Patch. Yet it's been what, 3 weeks?, 4 weeks?, and we're still waiting.
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I wouldn't say that.
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So when are you folks there going to do something besides reading our little section of the forums? Like, say, giving us a Community Rep, perhaps? Or acknowledging the numerous issues?
Or should we assume the sole purpose of the Devs reading this forum is to find difficult to reproduce exploits for them to fix?
(Yeah. I went there.)
...Damnit Devs, Don't make this number one priority, Fix other things first! Like the missions that auto-fail and such.
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Let me be the first to say:
* Tries to think of all the /kin corruptors she knows on Infinity... *
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Im a 30 Kin Corr on Infinity
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And y'know what, fixing the regen rate of AVs and GMs is just as easy. Open up the database, change the regen number. Patch. Yet it's been what, 3 weeks?, 4 weeks?, and we're still waiting.
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Umm.. Fix to AV regen is already on live....
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And y'know what, fixing the regen rate of AVs and GMs is just as easy. Open up the database, change the regen number. Patch. Yet it's been what, 3 weeks?, 4 weeks?, and we're still waiting.
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Umm.. Fix to AV regen is already on live....
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10 bucks says he ignores it cuz hes too busy ranting about something he has never used
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Fix other things first! Like the missions that auto-fail and such.
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Are you referring to the running boss missions where knockback or immobilize fails the mission? If so the fix for that is also on live.
Hmmm a dominator in my sg has been teamed with two kinetics and one rad corruptor a lot, and I'm fairly sure he has hasten and I've not heard him mention double domination before and he would have had two speeds and AM on him at times eg going into AV fights. Maybe it was something very specific with the buff from the Creys object and isn't achievable from other player buffs?
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Let's say you discover that with full recharge slotting, hasten, and some slotted up speed boosts you could make Unstoppable perma again, basically giving you capped resists, nearly unbreakable mez protection, a +end recovery, not to mention unsuppressable speed, all in a click power that can't be detoggled.
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Well like other people have mentioned, the kb bug and the av/gm fix are on live, but in response to this.
You need 3 speed boosts to perma hasten. If you 6 slotted hasten, I think you'd be close with 2, but a few seconds off.
For 3 corrupters, I can have perma unstoppable without ever using unstoppable!!
1 kin, 2 thermals on any resist set brute, 2 sonics instead on invul. With that, you've got capped resists, crazy mez protection (if you go with sonic), unsurpressed speed and end recovery, and to boot, you are running around with extremely stupid high damage to boot.
Heck you could do this with dark or fire, and they don't even have a tier 9. So I don't think the devs would care.
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Let me be the first to say:
* Tries to think of all the /kin corruptors she knows on Infinity... *
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Taaa Daaaa