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Can I ask something, seriously? No arguing, no flaming each other for replies, just a legit question.
Is all the pro/anti bickering/arguing really solving anything?
The pro's got what they want, the anti's at least have the satisfaction that it's going to be a bigger pain in the nads to get than illusionist... this has become a:
"Things not to discuss at dinner parties, religion, politics, abortion and Isolator."
You're NOT going to convince each other. So... aside from buffing post count and wanting to get your oppinion out is there a NEED for the bickering?
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Nope...that's why I've repeatedly said to let the topic die, and that the topic is dead.
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They did what now? The only badges that auto-awarded when I2 hit were mission badges, level badges, and some of the TF badges, and the TF badges only awarded if you had the souvenir for them(and that took them like 2 months to datamine). Those were the only things being tracked by the game at the time. Every other badge in the game started at 0, because prior to badges being introduced, they hadn't been tracking any of that information.
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
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"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
Want me to continue?
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"Complete the Positron Task Force"
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I have mocked the Devs stupidity for even bringing us to a situation where we even needed RV Isolator in the first place. And thats a very real reason to call the Devs out on their sad mishandling of this situation
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No, it isn't. A mishandling of the situation would be if the dev's had somehow enticed people into getting every badge. Or perhaps if they awarded a badge for acheiving every badge. Or maybe if isolator was the key to some sweet acolade.
However, since they never did anything to enforce the isolator lust, they never mishandled anything. Seriously.
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Except for Isolator being the only badge that ever existed that was completely unearnable by a segment of the gaming population.
Seems pretty mishandled to me to have a situation like that linger for well over a year without a reasonable solution.
Seriously, why do you think they ever even bothered offering RV Isolator to us at all? Was it because they -didn't- make a mistake with it?
But alas if only the whiners had fully understood that the cure was going to be far more shortsighted than the disease ever was.
Unlike others here Isolator Lust was never my motivation. I never asked for it - in past months before RV Isolator even hatched I offered reasonable compromises that didn't even involve Isolator.
I suppose we will have to accept this pathetic RV Isolator hack as the only effective apology we are likely ever going to get out of the Devs on Isolator. I don't see it as anything more than that - a cheap token effort. Clearly even now the Devs really never wanted to allow it outside of Outbreak and they should've stuck to their guns on that to save us all the bother.
To my mind this was way too little and far too late... Better luck next time Devs get back to fixing I7 bugs where your efforts will actually be appreciated.
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So by your logic a vast subset of badges are Easter Eggs? (Easter Egg = badge with no progress bar or entry in the badge tab?) Define them how you will... but to be clear I don't consider any badge in this game to be an Easter Egg and thus don't think any of them are justified to be limited by location based on 'Easter Egg ness'.
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You don't consider them to be such. However, until such times as your personal opinion becomes the "majority" view through the game, I also will consider that several badges are considered Easter Eggs. Isolator being a major one. You have absolutely no right to earn this badge - at least be grateful you are given the opportunity to get it after such times as you should.
Suck it up. If you don't like it, I hear that WoW is always looking for new whiners.
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...Except Lothic isn't a Whiner. I may disagree with her assertions that the Dev's are stupid, or that they mishandled things, but she isn't Whiner.
Even though the conversation's moved past this LiquidX, I don't see "to get a badge" tacked on after those phrases...
Let's drop the Easter Egg line... it's as useless and irreconcilable as the rest of this thread at this point. 
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Seriously, why do you think they ever even bothered offering RV Isolator to us at all? Was it because they -didn't- make a mistake with it?
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Because enough people [censored] about it they decided it wasn't worth the continued [censored] and moaning about it. In essence, it's like how a manager at a store will give a person store credit just to get them to shut the hell up and stop making a scene, despite the fact the store has done nothing wrong with their return policy. (Such as the person wanting to return a year old computer that the store no longer sells, with no reciept, and expecting a refund of full price for it)
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Even though the conversation's moved past this LiquidX, I don't see "to get a badge" tacked on after those phrases...
Let's drop the Easter Egg line... it's as useless and irreconcilable as the rest of this thread at this point.
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It may not have "to get a badge" in big bold words, but it's pretty obvious that a badge is what you are going to get by doing what it says.
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I don't see it as anything more than that - a cheap token effort.
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Then you missed the joke, and I'm sorry for you. I'm still laughing. As to the rest of your response, Liquid and Celtic already said what I would have.
Wow, 17 pages, ive created a monster, anyway, I thought about what I posted and I think that isolator should be hero only and jail bird should be villain only, lets keep up the posts, 20 pages ftw!!! lol 
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Even though the conversation's moved past this LiquidX, I don't see "to get a badge" tacked on after those phrases...
Let's drop the Easter Egg line... it's as useless and irreconcilable as the rest of this thread at this point.
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It's under the tab called Badges...What else are they supposed to mean??
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They did what now? The only badges that auto-awarded when I2 hit were mission badges, level badges, and some of the TF badges, and the TF badges only awarded if you had the souvenir for them(and that took them like 2 months to datamine). Those were the only things being tracked by the game at the time. Every other badge in the game started at 0, because prior to badges being introduced, they hadn't been tracking any of that information.
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Hmm that sounds familiar, and definately the way I remember it. The TF badge datamine was another reason NOT to reroll. I (at that time) didnt want to have to go thru the pickup team TF heck I'd already gone through and lose those badges. And while I realize now it would have been easier, it was at that time a valid reason.
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Yeah, the devs pretty much encourage us NOT to reroll, to which the TF datamine and the respec system are good examples. Isolator for pre-I2 toons can be thought of as an encouragement TO reroll, and I'm sure they didn't intend that to happen, probably they just forgot or something. So to those who rerolled for it good for you, but I don't concider that an option, and the devs don't either.
I say just get rid of Isolator all together, it's circumstances only bring out the worst of people. It's the only exception to the rule that the earlier you roll a character the more content you can experience with him, and that bothers people. Now, instead of just heated arguements in forums, there's going to be new potential for griefing that's directly related to this badge. I honestly wish this badge never existed...
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Yeah, the devs pretty much encourage us NOT to reroll, to which the TF datamine and the respec system are good examples. Isolator for pre-I2 toons can be thought of as an encouragement TO reroll, and I'm sure they didn't intend that to happen, probably they just forgot or something. So to those who rerolled for it good for you, but I don't concider that an option, and the devs don't either.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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And that makes the pro-isolators unique how? I mean it's not like they're the only ones who have ever asked for something game-changing. All things considered the time it took them to program a single mob spawn into what they were already doing for RV was hardly detracting from anything 'more importan't.
Anyway the devs dropped the ball. They should have retro-actively awarded it when I2 hit, period. That would have avoided all this.
Anyway, it's a dead issue. You'd think you guys are getting paid by the post the way you're going back and forth. Just [censored] get over it. Go play the game, call your mom, have a beer or take a nap.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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Yeah but those minority of people have been playing the game since beta before badges even came out, they that should take a bit of precidence over everything else, theyve been playing the game the longest, I've been playing coh about 1-3 months before i4 came out, but it seems longer though point is, I had a chance to get isolator back when I made Knight, but I made him right after someone got into my account and I was too nervous about trying to level Knight to worry about badges at that time, I regret it now, but now that I have a chance at this badge, I'm gonna take it.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.
Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.
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Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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And that makes the pro-isolators unique how? I mean it's not like they're the only ones who have ever asked for something game-changing. All things considered the time it took them to program a single mob spawn into what they were already doing for RV was hardly detracting from anything 'more importan't.
Anyway the devs dropped the ball. They should have retro-actively awarded it when I2 hit, period. That would have avoided all this.
Anyway, it's a dead issue. You'd think you guys are getting paid by the post the way you're going back and forth. Just [censored] get over it. Go play the game, call your mom, have a beer or take a nap.
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Thank you for telling us that we aren't allowed to discuss this topic anymore.
It would make life a lot easier for all of us if you could provide us with a list of topics that we are allowed to discuss. If you could also let us kow how many posts we are allowed to make on the topic and how much thread drift we are allowed to have occur within the thread it would also be greatly appreciated.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.
Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.
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The one thing I dont get is this, its not rly affecting everyone, why should they care if other ppl get the badge?
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Yeah but those minority of people have been playing the game since beta before badges even came out, they that should take a bit of precidence over everything else, theyve been playing the game the longest,
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Not necessarily true. Badges came out with I2, not release. So even people who made their toon 10 minutes before I2 went live got porked outta' the badge. :\
Also, while I've been here since ALMOST beta and can't help but kinda' like your seniority mentality... I know how crappy it would be having it used against me... so I can't support it.
Yeah I've been here since 2 weeks after release. Yeah I've had my account consisently since then. Yeah that means I've paid a hell of a lot more money than a lot of people but...
1) That's my choice. State's isn't at my house with a gun MAKING me pay every month.
2) I get a service for my money. I've been paying to play for 2 years and have been able TO play for 2 years. Nothing else is expressed or implied.
For anyone to step forward and demand special treatment based on how long they've been here is wrong.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.
Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.
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The one thing I dont get is this, its not rly affecting everyone, why should they care if other ppl get the badge?
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I don't mean to be flippant, but have you read any of this thread or any of the others on Isolator?? If not, I suggest yuou do a search on the forums. There have been a number of threads on this topic that have people going over all the reasons (both for and against) for each side in extensive detail.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.
Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.
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The one thing I dont get is this, its not rly affecting everyone, why should they care if other ppl get the badge?
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From what I can gather from all the nonsense is only one LEGIT concern. A belief that implementing a system to allow for people to get it AFTER outbreak will take resources from other, more important things.
Everything else has been pissing contests, "my oppinion is more important than your's and I'm going to prove it" contests, and just useless childish ranting.
They're so worried about proving each other wrong and bashing each other it'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Anyway, just know it's been going on a long time and you'd think a group of mature, rational adults would have gotten the clue a long time ago that there are three camps (pro/anti/could give a damn either way) and no one is going to convince the other camp of a damned thing so they mine-as-well go their own way but no, they'd rather sit here insulting each other and arguing about why they're right and the other side is wrong.
Next pointless topic that turns normal, resonable adults into a bunch of 'frothing at the mouth idiots', abortion!
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Can I ask something, seriously? No arguing, no flaming each other for replies, just a legit question.
Is all the pro/anti bickering/arguing really solving anything?
The pro's got what they want, the anti's at least have the satisfaction that it's going to be a bigger pain in the nads to get than illusionist... this has become a:
"Things not to discuss at dinner parties, religion, politics, abortion and Isolator."
You're NOT going to convince each other. So... aside from buffing post count and wanting to get your oppinion out is there a NEED for the bickering?