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Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*
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Of course, what a brilliant idea!!
And all those 50s out there who want the badge would never farm them with their tier-9 powers and make it impossible for the lowbies to get.
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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.
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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.
But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players forced to even make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?
The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...
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The game didn't keep track of who took out 100 isolators at the time, so it would have either been impossible to find out who "deserved" the badge, and who just earned it for making the character before issue 2, or hard as hell.
And even if the game did keep track, Positron has stated that datamining is very time consuming to do.
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I'm thinking a bit beyond these tired points. Frankly I don't care whether the game tracked contaminated kills pre-I2 or not or how hard datamining supposedly is or not (a flimsier excuse from a software developer I don't think I've ever heard BTW).
Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*
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Besides the fact that if it were made that easy, there would be no point in even leaving the Isolator badge in Outbreak in the first place?
there is only one thing to consider CURRENTLY with the isolator spawning in RV...
it spawns ONCE every 2 hours under the tram.. and only ONE of the little buggers spawns....
now IF no one killsteals it (ooo yeah, this WILL be a camped spot for some heros) and assuming you do not die due to a pvp killby... your looking at 200 hours IF you did not get your isolator badge.
for those of us whom have been around since the begining.. this smacks as being unacceptable. OK i could see if say.. ohh 50-100 just spontainously spawn every 2 hours in that spot.. or there are random spots through the zone that will spawn say 5 at a time ( give it a 20 min timer then) that would be more than fair.
for the villans.. meh, if ya want it then grab it.. but only if we can get the jailbird badge too... otherwise hands off mr grubby Mc Handsoffmyspawn!
just a FRIENDLY reminder..
"Lokk, you have a powersuit that is self-contained, can withstand any atmosphere, it can fly and shoot out energy beams. BUT you cant open the helmet to have coffee and doughnts??? Sad man.... just... sad" PatriotPrime asking me why I am angry all the time.
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Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*
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Of course, what a brilliant idea!!
And all those 50s out there who want the badge would never farm them with their tier-9 powers and make it impossible for the lowbies to get.
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Actually, speaking from a person that joined the game after the winterlord event, the problem you just suggested would have been self correcting sooner than the Halloween Event Badges went live. If I recall correctly I read that two weeks after Issue 2 went live, the Halloween Event started. Even given the last winter event with toy collectors, the problem of "poaching" low level presents self corrected itself. And this is no different than a 10-50 doing street hunting in lower level zones, either for badges (Skulls, Hellions anyone) or missions.
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there is only one thing to consider CURRENTLY with the isolator spawning in RV...
it spawns ONCE every 2 hours under the tram.. and only ONE of the little buggers spawns....
now IF no one killsteals it (ooo yeah, this WILL be a camped spot for some heros) and assuming you do not die due to a pvp killby... your looking at 200 hours IF you did not get your isolator badge.
for those of us whom have been around since the begining.. this smacks as being unacceptable. OK i could see if say.. ohh 50-100 just spontainously spawn every 2 hours in that spot.. or there are random spots through the zone that will spawn say 5 at a time ( give it a 20 min timer then) that would be more than fair.
for the villans.. meh, if ya want it then grab it.. but only if we can get the jailbird badge too... otherwise hands off mr grubby Mc Handsoffmyspawn!
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Dude it's a joke and Matt's laughing his [censored] off at us.
"The babies want it? Let them have it!" It's a big joke for them and does two things:
1) Gives us pre-I2'ers the chance to get it.
2) Give the anti-isolator crowd at least some satisfaction that it's hard to do... insanely hard to do.
'Course one could also say it's just a cheap ploy to keep people busy and thus in the game longer... God Forbid we do real end-game content... no lets do something we said we'd never do from the beginning and make an ultra-rare spawn that needs to be camped. ::glances at Matt::
If I wanted that crap I'd go play WoW or EQ.
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Read what I said a little bit more closely next time
If the Devs had put contaminated in AP or GC -since- the beginning of I2, there'd likely be no level 50s around stupid enough not to have picked up the badge long before they ever became 50s
There would have been no Isolator problem at all from square one. How many level 50s currently grief level 10s in PP killing Hellions? Think about it...
But even if the Devs did place them in AP or GC for I7 (something I did not suggest originally mind you) the 50s who still needed Isolator would all have them done within a week or so and leave the poor noobs on their own forever more.
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.
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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.
But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players forced to even make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?
The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...
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The game didn't keep track of who took out 100 isolators at the time, so it would have either been impossible to find out who "deserved" the badge, and who just earned it for making the character before issue 2, or hard as hell.
And even if the game did keep track, Positron has stated that datamining is very time consuming to do.
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I'm thinking a bit beyond these tired points. Frankly I don't care whether the game tracked contaminated kills pre-I2 or not or how hard datamining supposedly is or not (a flimsier excuse from a software developer I don't think I've ever heard BTW).
Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*
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Besides the fact that if it were made that easy, there would be no point in even leaving the Isolator badge in Outbreak in the first place?
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the existing playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all? Isolator could've easily been just as much an Easter Egg for you if you could find Contaminated in Outbreak, AP and GC since the beginning of I2 as they are now in only Outbreak and RV at the dawn of I7. As a kill badge Isolator is no more unique than any other kill badge...
And for the record I didnt really have to do much twisting to take offense at the debacle, its illogic pretty much happened all by itself. 
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs.
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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.
Since it's impossible, I submit not all badges are easter eggs.
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs.
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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.
Since it's impossible, I submit not all badges are easter eggs.
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And they never were meant to be either. That was my whole point to refute LiquidXs assertion that Isolator was supposed to be an Easter Egg...
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
Want me to continue?
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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that they all were...
Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
Want me to continue?
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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that...
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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.
Likewise, Jail Bird has no hint towards it being in the game...it doesn't even have an Exploration badge symbol, and thus, it is also an Easter Egg.
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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.
Since it's impossible, I submit not all badges are easter eggs.
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Correct.
Thus, some badges are easter eggs, and some are not. Isolator was intended to be one. Your just grasping at straws at this point in order to be angry at the devs for doing something totally legitimate.
They gave you a way to get it, berating them for it being hard (after them issuing a warning that if it was added, it would be ridiculously hard), and then continuing to deride the solution smacks of immaturity.
If it wasn't so funny, it would be sad.
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
Want me to continue?
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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that...
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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.
Likewise, Jail Bird has no hint towards it being in the game...it doesn't even have an Exploration badge symbol, and thus, it is also an Easter Egg.
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Loth 50 Fire/Rad Controller [1392 Badges] [300 non-AE Souvenirs]
Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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Now youre finally starting to catch on LiquidX I knew you were a reasonably bright person. Maybe had the Devs not been stupid enough to implement a badge that was only earnable in a place that the current playerbase at the start of I2 couldnt even get to we wouldnt even have had an Isolator problem in the first place
Nothing was set in stone that -required- Isolator to be limited to Outbreak in the beginning or ever for that matter as RV Isolator has proven...
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Except for the fact that it was intended as an easter egg, as stated before. This isn't a case of the Dev's being stupid, or lack of foresight, or anything else... This is a case of certain people blowing the whole thing way out of proportion, and twisting it into something they can take offense out of.
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If you take your Easter Egg argument to its natural conclusion, all badges are Easter Eggs. Where in the game does it even talk about earning any of them at all?
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In the tab under you NAV bar labeled "Badges"...
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And that tab tells you what to do to start earning them how exactly?
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"Earn this badge by healing your teammates"
"Earn this badge by defeating Skull bosses"
"Earn this badge by defeating Tsoo Sorcerers"
"Taking out those pesky creatures will earn you The Mongoose badge"
Want me to continue?
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No your proved my point... Badges -aren't- Easter Eggs. If you followed LiquidXs assertion you'd have to argue that...
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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.
Likewise, Jail Bird has no hint towards it being in the game...it doesn't even have an Exploration badge symbol, and thus, it is also an Easter Egg.
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Yes, I consider all Gladiator badges to be gifts/Easter Eggs, Jail Bird to be an Easter Egg, and Isolator to be an Easter Egg.
If you don't view any of the badges as Easter Eggs, then I don't know what to say other than we have to agree to disagree.
Isolator is in the game for anyone who doesn't have it, but has already made a character. You don't have to like how it is in the game, but it is in there never-the-less, and it is in there as Positron said it would be (annoying and irritating to get).
The topic is dead.
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So by your logic a vast subset of badges are Easter Eggs? (Easter Egg = badge with no progress bar or entry in the badge tab?) Define them how you will... but to be clear I don't consider any badge in this game to be an Easter Egg and thus don't think any of them are justified to be limited by location based on 'Easter Egg ness'.
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You don't consider them to be such. However, until such times as your personal opinion becomes the "majority" view through the game, I also will consider that several badges are considered Easter Eggs. Isolator being a major one. You have absolutely no right to earn this badge - at least be grateful you are given the opportunity to get it after such times as you should.
Suck it up. If you don't like it, I hear that WoW is always looking for new whiners.
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Get a character to level 11 and don't earn any badges. Then you can say all badges are easter eggs.
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Correct.
Thus, some badges are easter eggs, and some are not. Isolator was intended to be one. Your just grasping at straws at this point in order to be angry at the devs for doing something totally legitimate.
They gave you a way to get it, berating them for it being hard (after them issuing a warning that if it was added, it would be ridiculously hard), and then continuing to deride the solution smacks of immaturity.
If it wasn't so funny, it would be sad.
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I am not a whiny pro-Isolator.
If anything I'm probably more anti-Isolator than most of you are...
I've never wanted a way to get it outside of Outbreak 'after the fact'.
I think it should have always been outside of Outbreak from day one.
The fact that Isolator has been confused with being an Easter Egg has only lent angst to this whole thing - had it been treated like a normal kill badge not limited by location there wouldn't be any stigma with it now.
I have never berated the Devs for making RV Isolator hard. I always expected any fix for it to be so.
I have mocked the Devs stupidity for even bringing us to a situation where we even needed RV Isolator in the first place. And thats a very real reason to call the Devs out on their sad mishandling of this situation
Whats sad is the hyperbadgers and their insanity will drive them to earn RV Isolator regardless
They asked for that - I hope they enjoy it.
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I have mocked the Devs stupidity for even bringing us to a situation where we even needed RV Isolator in the first place. And thats a very real reason to call the Devs out on their sad mishandling of this situation
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No, it isn't. A mishandling of the situation would be if the dev's had somehow enticed people into getting every badge. Or perhaps if they awarded a badge for acheiving every badge. Or maybe if isolator was the key to some sweet acolade.
However, since they never did anything to enforce the isolator lust, they never mishandled anything. Seriously.
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No...I proved that THOSE badges are not Easter Eggs. Isolator has absolutely no bar, no progress confirmation, and no hint that it is in the game. Therefore, it is an Easter Egg.
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I'm definately pro-isolator... if for no other reason than I want my main to eventually have all the badges and he's pre-badge era so I never 'had the chance' to earn Isolator but I gotta' agree with Celt here. It is kinda' an Easter Egg.
HOWEVER, let me just offer this counter to that. While it may be an Easter Egg, it was still implemented AFTER the fact.
The bottom line is the devs are wrong allowing this to go on so long. They data-mined their [censored] off to award and give credit toward all the badges that came out with I2. They should have also awarded Isolator to all existing toons AT THE TIME.
Now if they were to go that route and award Isolator out of hand (since they've done exactly what they said they wouldn't do [rare spawn camping for 'loot' since people in this game treat badges like +50 swords of slaysall ]) they'd have to data-mine and isolate the toons who were made pre-i2.
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Those people who had toons pre-I2, as has been stated many times, could have re-rolled. Their choice not to, but still the complaints come in. They made a choice not to re-roll for a badge which, by the complaints, is obviously of game-breaking importance to them. The devs are offering that badge now, but making it difficult. Big deal. Like I said, no sympathy at all for them. If they truly thought it was that big a deal they would have re-rolled.
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Yes pre-I2 toons "could have re-rolled", so from that point of view I've never had much sympathy for Isolator whiners either.
But I think the point you've missed is -why- were pre-I2 toon players forced to even make that choice?
Why were they barred from a badge simply because they were in the game prior to badges being introduced?
What good purpose did it end up serving that couldn't otherwise have been easily avoided by the Devs?
Why did the Devs take so long to give us a fix that amounts to a big 'screw you' to the player base?
The only big deal I've ever had was the real answers to these questions... And I'm still waiting...
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The game didn't keep track of who took out 100 isolators at the time, so it would have either been impossible to find out who "deserved" the badge, and who just earned it for making the character before issue 2, or hard as hell.
And even if the game did keep track, Positron has stated that datamining is very time consuming to do.
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I'm thinking a bit beyond these tired points. Frankly I don't care whether the game tracked contaminated kills pre-I2 or not or how hard datamining supposedly is or not (a flimsier excuse from a software developer I don't think I've ever heard BTW).
Can you explain to me why contaminated MOBs couldn't have been placed in AP and/or GC from the beginning of I2 and still stayed true to the 'starting your career on a high note' intention of the badge? The 'solution' to Isolator could have been implemented before it even became a problem... *sigh*
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Ryver 50 Ele� Blaster [1392 Badges]
Silandra 50 Peacebringer [1138 Badges] [No Redside Badges]
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