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Hey look, im for it and no I dont think it should be based on senority, that came out wrong, forgot about that other post, my point is this, I havent read the other threads, I have yet to understand why ppl dont wat a new badge even if it is harder than rocket man or reformed.
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It's not a new badge. It's one of the original badges but the means to get it is limited. Tutorial, period.
Don't get it in tutorial, too bad.
Pro-Isolator crew argues that pre-I2 toons never had the chance to get it.
Anti-Isolator crew argues that it's never going to be used for an accolade and the devs implementing a system for people to get it after outbreak would take valuable resources away from more important things.
There have been other arguments back and forth but a lot of it's just nonsense or expansions upon that main theme.
Now one problem comes in that if you read these threads, each side is so convinced that not only are they right, but that the other is so wrong that they degenerate and often end up turning into broken records. The same arguments being repeated and rehashed etc etc.
Now another problem is that despite Posi having warned that if they did implement an alternate means it'd be VERY hard the pro-team (not all but I've seen enough) is crying about how hard it is.
The Anti-team is acting bitter that it got done to begin with and is gloating that it IS so hard to get.
Basically... it's like sitting a group of die-hard Red Sox fans and die-hard Yankees fans in a room, asking them to discuss which team is better and expecting a civil conversation. Ain't going to happen.
EDIT: Mna, I see you keep replying to me. You do realize you've been on my ignore list for a while right? Just thought I'd remind ya'.
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I have yet to see any significant amount of gloating that it is hard or bitterness that it has been put in. I see more unhappiness about the difficulty coming from those who want it post-outbreak and those just coming into the discussion. (I also notice a lot of people who wanted it post-outbreak saying "I don't care how hard it is, I now have the chance to get it." to be completely honest.)
The anti-Isolators have been rather subdued about this from what I have seen.
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EDIT: Mna, I see you keep replying to me. You do realize you've been on my ignore list for a while right? Just thought I'd remind ya'.
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Just because you no longer wish to read what I wrote does not mean that I am not allowed to comment on what you wrote.
Even if its not a new badge, why should ppl complin about it, its not affecting you, i7 will actually be on live soon(yeah right if it ever gets here) and ppl will have a very dificult but well worth second chance at isolator and eveyones [censored] about not wanting ppl to ge isolator will be for not, so I have an idea, why doesnt everyone just sit down, shut up and quit thier [censored], I bet the ppl that are anti isolator arent even into badges, unless it actually affects you or your game play experience, then shup up already 
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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Even if its not a new badge, why should ppl complin about it, its not affecting you, i7 will actually be on live soon(yeah right if it ever gets here) and ppl will have a very dificult but well worth second chance at isolator and eveyones [censored] about not wanting ppl to ge isolator will be for not, so I have an idea, why doesnt everyone just sit down, shut up and quit thier [censored], I bet the ppl that are anti isolator arent even into badges, unless it actually affects you or your game play experience, then shup up already
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Btw, I stand by everything I just said, if you wanna talk to me about it, my global is @NIGHTOFIRONSTAR
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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In other threads it has been explained quite extensively how the anti-isolators felt about this possibility and how implimenting it would affect our gameplay experience.
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The devs didn't expect people to reroll because they didn't expect people to care about badges as much as people do. Why people keep trying to apply some kind of "motive" or "mistake" to the devs kill me, when it is not rooted in any kind of reality other than the egocentric "I want Isolator so I'm right by definition" one.
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Which is just as egocentric as the position held by the people who didn't want Isolator outside of OUtbreak and hold their PoV as reality.
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Not so much. Those who don't want Isolator outwith Outbreak aren't asking the devs to change something. Each and every person who is demanding Isolator after they leave the Tutorial area is, in effect, demanding that the devs change the game to suit only a minority of people.
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I am looking at it at an even more basic level than that. Each side, for whatever reasons they feel is appropriate, believes that they are in the right and that they deserve to have their point of view listened to.
Each side is being egotistical in that if their reality is made eal, the other side is denied theirs. Unfortunately, that is the way that things go. Somoe people will always be disappointed.
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The one thing I dont get is this, its not rly affecting everyone, why should they care if other ppl get the badge?
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From what I can gather from all the nonsense is only one LEGIT concern. A belief that implementing a system to allow for people to get it AFTER outbreak will take resources from other, more important things.
Everything else has been pissing contests, "my oppinion is more important than your's and I'm going to prove it" contests, and just useless childish ranting.
They're so worried about proving each other wrong and bashing each other it'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Anyway, just know it's been going on a long time and you'd think a group of mature, rational adults would have gotten the clue a long time ago that there are three camps (pro/anti/could give a damn either way) and no one is going to convince the other camp of a damned thing so they mine-as-well go their own way but no, they'd rather sit here insulting each other and arguing about why they're right and the other side is wrong.
Next pointless topic that turns normal, resonable adults into a bunch of 'frothing at the mouth idiots', abortion!
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You know... For a discussion that doesen't matter, BallLightning sure does spend alot of his time in it, doesen't he?
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In other threads it has been explained quite extensively how the anti-isolators felt about this possibility and how implimenting it would affect our gameplay experience.
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Okay, 2 summerize those 2 threads, number 1: An incident in the hollows, IE a server glitch caused many ppl to go into the hollows showing how desperatly how bad they want the badge.
number 2:Someone posted an idea on how lvl 50's should get isolater and how a few ppl said it was a waste of the devs time, I think it was a good idea for isolator, anyway thier are contaminated in rv, so what, I bet your gonna be hunting them too, all I see are pluses for leting ppl have a second chance at getting isolator.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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In other threads it has been explained quite extensively how the anti-isolators felt about this possibility and how implimenting it would affect our gameplay experience.
<ul type="square">[*]Here's one[*]Here's another[/list]
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Okay, 2 summerize those 2 threads, number 1: An incident in the hollows, IE a server glitch caused many ppl to go into the hollows showing how desperatly how bad they want the badge.
number 2:Someone posted an idea on how lvl 50's should get isolater and how a few ppl said it was a waste of the devs time, I think it was a good idea for isolator, anyway thier are contaminated in rv, so what, I bet your gonna be hunting them too, all I see are pluses for leting ppl have a second chance at getting isolator.
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There were a number of minuses that people pointed out in those threads as well. I know because I pointed some of them out. (Disclaimer, I will also admit to being a bad netizen in those threads as well and directing it towards flamesville at times).
That being said, the discussion of this is moot as the devs have made the decision that, on I7 test at least, there is at least one contaminated wandering around RV.
With someone interested in discussion, I would gladly go through and pick out the negative points. However, from the tone of some of your posts, I do not believe that a reasonable discussion will take place about the negative points of putting Contaminated outside of Outbreak.
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In other threads it has been explained quite extensively how the anti-isolators felt about this possibility and how implimenting it would affect our gameplay experience.
<ul type="square">[*]Here's one[*]Here's another[/list]
If you haven't already, I recommend reading those two threads.
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Okay, 2 summerize those 2 threads, number 1: An incident in the hollows, IE a server glitch caused many ppl to go into the hollows showing how desperatly how bad they want the badge.
number 2:Someone posted an idea on how lvl 50's should get isolater and how a few ppl said it was a waste of the devs time, I think it was a good idea for isolator, anyway thier are contaminated in rv, so what, I bet your gonna be hunting them too, all I see are pluses for leting ppl have a second chance at getting isolator.
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There were a number of minuses that people pointed out in those threads as well. I know because I pointed some of them out. (Disclaimer, I will also admit to being a bad netizen in those threads as well and directing it towards flamesville at times).
That being said, the discussion of this is moot as the devs have made the decision that, on I7 test at least, there is at least one contaminated wandering around RV.
With someone interested in discussion, I would gladly go through and pick out the negative points. However, from the tone of some of your posts, I do not believe that a reasonable discussion will take place about the negative points of putting Contaminated outside of Outbreak.
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Well, I dont wanna hear why all those other ppl dont want everyone else to get isolator agian, I wanna hear your opinion and your reason on why you dont want ppl to get isolator outside of out break.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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OOOHH. Look!! A brick wall, let me pound it with my head.
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Look, I'm going to ignore you mna until you give me your opinion on this, the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called, "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way and hackster, I dont have an ego, I dont act like an [censored] and I certanly dont think that veterns should get a special treatment of sorts, now before you or anyone else says why the isolator should be a one time thing, think about, do you pay for my account, do my or anyone else reciving isolator affect you or anyone else, is the world gonna end when ppl like beef cake or me any other badge hunter in this game gets isolator on thier mian, no, so stop talking trash about me saying things like, oh look, he said ppl that have been playing longer than other ppl shoud get this badge your an egotistical jerk who thinks ppl have been playing since beta should get a special treatment! or[list][list][list][list] well heres some news for you, I diddnt start playing this game since beta, Ive been playing since after issue 3, the one thing I want is an honest answer, no links, no qoutes, just your reason on why you think ppl shouldnt get a 2nd chance at isolator because I have a feeling that just about everyone who is "Anti Isolator" is gonna go after the badge too, unless my actions actually affect you or anyone else in a bad way that changes your game playing experience, then just stop ranting already, your posts are just as about the same as everyone elses pro or anti isolator posts, btw, any other response except your opinion on isolator will be ignored.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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I wont be. For one, it's way too annoying for my tastes (Which is also why I don't have the Task Force badges. I don't have the time, effort, or willingness to put up with it). And too, they didn't change the text for the second chance method, so it would bug the hell out of me.
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OOOHH. Look!! A brick wall, let me pound it with my head.
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Look, I'm going to ignore you mna until you give me your opinion on this
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All those links that I gave you were my previous posts, giving my opinions on why Isolator shouldn't have been put in the game outside of Outbreak. If you aren't going to take the time to read them, well, I am not going to go through the effort of re-typing or copy/pasting them again.
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, the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called, "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way
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Like I have previously mentioned in this very thread, the devs have made the decision to put it back in, on test, and it will presumably go to live in a couple of weeks when I7 does. I could see myself having further discussions on the idea why it was bad to put in with several pro-isolators, because it would be civil and intelligent. I hate to inform you that you do not fall under that category.
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I diddnt start playing this game since beta, Ive been playing since after issue 3, the one thing I want is an honest answer, no links, no qoutes, just your reason on why you think ppl shouldnt get a 2nd chance at isolator
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The only people who have an honest, legitimate (in my opinion), reason for asking for Isolator to be put back in outside of OutBreak are those that rolled up their characters prior to I2. Badges were implimented in I2 (I think) and people who rolled up prior to that and who wanted badges had no way (short of re-rolling) of getting it.
Everyone else had the opportunity.
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Look, I'm going to ignore you mna until you give me your opinion on this
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All those links that I gave you were my previous posts, giving my opinions on why Isolator shouldn't have been put in the game outside of Outbreak. If you aren't going to take the time to read them, well, I am not going to go through the effort of re-typing or copy/pasting them again.
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, the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called, "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way
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Like I have previously mentioned in this very thread, the devs have made the decision to put it back in, on test, and it will presumably go to live in a couple of weeks when I7 does. I could see myself having further discussions on the idea why it was bad to put in with several pro-isolators, because it would be civil and intelligent. I hate to inform you that you do not fall under that category.
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I diddnt start playing this game since beta, Ive been playing since after issue 3, the one thing I want is an honest answer, no links, no qoutes, just your reason on why you think ppl shouldnt get a 2nd chance at isolator
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The only people who have an honest, legitimate (in my opinion), reason for asking for Isolator to be put back in outside of OutBreak are those that rolled up their characters prior to I2. Badges were implimented in I2 (I think) and people who rolled up prior to that and who wanted badges had no way (short of re-rolling) of getting it.
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Thank you for the reply mna, I'm sorry if I came off as impatient or ignorant, but I have been busy (real life problems) and I appolagize for not falling under your so called "civil and intelligent catagory", but apperantly both of our definitions civil and intelligent behavior are different, If I wanted to act like an [censored], I could just as well drop on the floor and start whinning like a nine year old begging his mom for a 48 cent candy bar, my point is, I am civil intelligent, now regardless of what hakster has said about me, I am a decent person, I dont think that people should get a special treatment based on how long the've subscribed to this game, I am new to the forums, but I have been reading them since october of last year, the purpose of this thread was to simply ask if villains could get isolator since they now spawn in RV, but apperantly this has just turned into another isolator rant, you contradicted yourself mna, if you wanted to be so civil and intelligent, you would've refrained from saying :
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Even though I just showed you your mistake, chances are your still going to make some wise cracking comment saying it was something different, me, I'll admit I may have said some things that I regret, so next time you start insulting people and saying that they dont fall under your catagory of acting civil and intelligent, think about what your going to type in.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
I understand that a key argument/assumption the anti-Isolators have held is that it would take "too much time and effort" for the Devs to implement a "fix" for Isolator. I also understand that the mere existence of RV Isolator fundamentally dismisses that argument because, well, there now -is- a fix for it of sorts. That's fine.
But I would offer that the pro-Isolators have at best a Pyrrhic victory with RV Isolator because a reasonable solution to the problem has in fact proven to actually -be- a "waste of the devs time" as far as they seem to be concerned. They didn't put any significant effort to address the problem in a balanced, thoughtful way at all and that's the real tragedy here.
Long before CoH went live I'm sure the Devs developed editing tools that would simplify their ability to establish MOBs in zones and missions - little GUIs perhaps that let them set spawn points, critter types and levels, spawn frequencies and so on. I'm sure they've used these tools so many times that the average Dev could probably set up a new MOB spawn in a zone in the quick matter of a few seconds.
To think that after well over a year of people arguing about Isolator in the forums, people deciding whether or not to throw hundreds of hours away on rerolls and people coming up with numerous workable scenarios that could've provided positive solutions for everyone concerned that were seemingly ignored, it all came down to a couple of quick RV MOB spawn defines that for all it took could've been done within the first minute of Issue 2 going live in some back corner of AP long forgotten by this point.
The sad idea that people like Beef_Cake have claimed that they've already defeated many dozens of Contaminated since I2 in various 'buggy' mission spawns only screams for that extra little step in logic that if these little buggers were already slipping out of Outbreak it could've been so simple to have just let it happen 'for real' long ago. Gods how much happier this forum would've been if those little misspawns had been intended all along.
It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.
Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
I understand that a key argument/assumption the anti-Isolators have held is that it would take "too much time and effort" for the Devs to implement a "fix" for Isolator. I also understand that the mere existence of RV Isolator fundamentally dismisses that argument because, well, there now -is- a fix for it of sorts. That's fine.
But I would offer that the pro-Isolators have at best a Pyrrhic victory with RV Isolator because a reasonable solution to the problem has in fact proven to actually -be- a "waste of the devs time" as far as they seem to be concerned. They didn't put any significant effort to address the problem in a balanced, thoughtful way at all and that's the real tragedy here.
Long before CoH went live I'm sure the Devs developed editing tools that would simplify their ability to establish MOBs in zones and missions - little GUIs perhaps that let them set spawn points, critter types and levels, spawn frequencies and so on. I'm sure they've used these tools so many times that the average Dev could probably set up a new MOB spawn in a zone in the quick matter of a few seconds.
To think that after well over a year of people arguing about Isolator in the forums, people deciding whether or not to throw hundreds of hours away on rerolls and people coming up with numerous workable scenarios that could've provided positive solutions for everyone concerned that were seemingly ignored, it all came down to a couple of quick RV MOB spawn defines that for all it took could've been done within the first minute of Issue 2 going live in some back corner of AP long forgotten by this point.
The sad idea that people like Beef_Cake have claimed that they've already defeated many dozens of Contaminated since I2 in various 'buggy' mission spawns only screams for that extra little step in logic that if these little buggers were already slipping out of Outbreak it could've been so simple to have just let it happen 'for real' long ago. Gods how much happier this forum would've been if those little misspawns had been intended all along.
It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.
Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...
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So true lothic, so true.
My Lego Models http://www.flickr.com/photos/30369639@N07/ lemur lad: God you can't be that stupid... I'm on at the same time as you for once, and not 20 minutes into it you give me something worth petitioning?Lady-Dee: Hey my fat keeps me warm in the winter and shady in the summer.
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
I understand that a key argument/assumption the anti-Isolators have held is that it would take "too much time and effort" for the Devs to implement a "fix" for Isolator. I also understand that the mere existence of RV Isolator fundamentally dismisses that argument because, well, there now -is- a fix for it of sorts. That's fine.
But I would offer that the pro-Isolators have at best a Pyrrhic victory with RV Isolator because a reasonable solution to the problem has in fact proven to actually -be- a "waste of the devs time" as far as they seem to be concerned. They didn't put any significant effort to address the problem in a balanced, thoughtful way at all and that's the real tragedy here.
Long before CoH went live I'm sure the Devs developed editing tools that would simplify their ability to establish MOBs in zones and missions - little GUIs perhaps that let them set spawn points, critter types and levels, spawn frequencies and so on. I'm sure they've used these tools so many times that the average Dev could probably set up a new MOB spawn in a zone in the quick matter of a few seconds.
To think that after well over a year of people arguing about Isolator in the forums, people deciding whether or not to throw hundreds of hours away on rerolls and people coming up with numerous workable scenarios that could've provided positive solutions for everyone concerned that were seemingly ignored, it all came down to a couple of quick RV MOB spawn defines that for all it took could've been done within the first minute of Issue 2 going live in some back corner of AP long forgotten by this point.
The sad idea that people like Beef_Cake have claimed that they've already defeated many dozens of Contaminated since I2 in various 'buggy' mission spawns only screams for that extra little step in logic that if these little buggers were already slipping out of Outbreak it could've been so simple to have just let it happen 'for real' long ago. Gods how much happier this forum would've been if those little misspawns had been intended all along.
It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.
Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...
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QFT. And the saddest part? Having twitched said pinky, they now cannot do any of the more interesting implementations i've read in these boards to further address the issue. Not without tacitly admitting they stuck their foot farther up the pooch. So the best thing im hoping for at this point is the spawn or timer rate is raised - heck if they can get 3 instances of luska up at one time in victory (yes i know its a bug) they can put 3 contan's at a time. And i agree - the fashion in which they responded to our concerns is appalling. I thought giving Posi the reins would indicate a break from States ED/I5 nerf festage mentality and start back towards "content" type of game again (for COH anyway - no i dont count pvp zones). If this is any indicator of Posi/Devs style for the future handling of the game, im slightly worried...
*nerf* Darn! Oh well.. I will just have to rebuild. Ah.. this works *nerf*
Darn it.. well I will rebuild again.. oh this might *nerf*
Grr.. this is getting annoying.. rebuild agai- *nerf*
I wasn't even finished rebuilding the las- *nerf* But.. *nerf* I *nerf* ......*nerf* *nerf* *nerf*
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It astounds me that people here in both the pro and anti Isolator camps continue to sling arrows at each other over this when it's painfully clear that A) the Devs allowed the pre-I2 toon Isolator problem to happen, B) the Devs let the problem linger and pretended it didn't exist then finally C) in a tacit admittal of the mistake lowered themselves enough to twitch their pinkies on their mice to click a few GUI buttons calling that a day.
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Adding a Contaminated spawn to RV is not a "tacit admission to a mistake". No matter how many times you try to say that, Lothic, it won't make it true. There was *nothing* wrong with Isolator, nor how it was placed in the first place.
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Does no one else see that that Devs have laughed at us -all- over this? No one here really got what they wanted, and we all got to see how they are willing to patronizingly handle the concerns of its player base. People with valid arguments for why badges shouldn't be tinkered with as well as the toon rerollers got brushed aside, and people who pleaded for so long for a sensible solution for the original Isolator oversight got slapped with one of the most insanely simpleminded yet diabolical schemes one could have imagined for this game. Basically no one -won- anything here...
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Really? I don't see the Dev's laughing at anyone over this, and this is another example of you blowing things way out of proportion. And people DID get what they wanted... People like Beef_Cake got their chance at Isolator, which they *ASKED* for. (And stated that they didn't care HOW hard it was).
And as one of the people who didn't want an alternative for Isolator made available, I don't feel like my concerns were "Brushed aside". Nor do I feel like I "lost", as this was never a contest. It was a change based on customer feedback, and while I disagree with it, I can accept it, nor am I gonna Vileify the dev's for it.
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the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
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Basically no one -won- anything here...
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Oh I wouldnt say no one won anything. Some of us are getting a very good laugh over seeing some people totally freak out about a completely meaningless badge.
A certain subsection of the population asked for Isolator to be offered outside of Outbreak, "no matter how hard it is". Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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Basically... it's like sitting a group of die-hard Red Sox fans and die-hard Yankees fans in a room, asking them to discuss which team is better and expecting a civil conversation. Ain't going to happen.
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This is classic.
Mostly of course because we all know the Red Sox Roxxors!!
I know that Isolator will not be available for villains, but I will take special joy smacking that lone Infected around EVERY chance I get with my villains.
I'm glad the Devs have provided me with this oppurtunity to feel truly villainous
I do wish he spawned every 15 minutes or so. Every 2 hours is a bit much.
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A certain subsection of the population asked for Isolator to be offered outside of Outbreak, "no matter how hard it is". Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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This isn't hard, this is a tedious grind.
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the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
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Basically no one -won- anything here...
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Oh I wouldnt say no one won anything. Some of us are getting a very good laugh over seeing some people totally freak out about a completely meaningless badge.
A certain subsection of the population asked for Isolator to be offered outside of Outbreak, "no matter how hard it is". Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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*sigh* How many times do I have to state that I am -not- pro-Isolator in these threads?
Why does everyone always respond to my constructive criticism as if it where the typical pro-Isolator whine?
You may be having a very good laugh with the Devs getting away with piss-poor offerings to its player base - Im not. If they are willing to stoop this low for the RV Isolator hack whose to say they won't try it again with something more important?
I assumed the Devs would ultimately botch a 'fix' like this, that's why I never asked for Isolator outside of Outbreak. At least for me you are preaching to the choir - the idiot pro-Isolators allowed the Devs an opening to set a precedent that will let them get away with more stupid s*** in the future. At this point I could care less about Isolator - I'm just upset that other more significant future player requested items may now be handled in an equally thoughtless way and that's something none of us should be laughing at. 
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the devs have already put contamineted in rv so the so called "waste ot the devs time" is put out of the way
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*raises her hand at this point because she just can't help herself*
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Basically no one -won- anything here...
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Oh I wouldnt say no one won anything. Some of us are getting a very good laugh over seeing some people totally freak out about a completely meaningless badge.
A certain subsection of the population asked for Isolator to be offered outside of Outbreak, "no matter how hard it is". Careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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*sigh* How many times do I have to state that I am -not- pro-Isolator in these threads?
Why does everyone always respond to my constructive criticism as if it where the typical pro-Isolator whine?
You may be having a very good laugh with the Devs getting away with piss-poor offerings to its player base - Im not. If they are willing to stoop this low for the RV Isolator hack whose to say they won't try it again with something more important?
I assumed the Devs would ultimately botch a 'fix' like this, that's why I never asked for Isolator outside of Outbreak. At least for me you are preaching to the choir - the idiot pro-Isolators allowed the Devs an opening to set a precedent that will let them get away with more stupid s*** in the future. At this point I could care less about Isolator - I'm just upset that other more significant future player requested items may now be handled in an equally thoughtless way and that's something none of us should be laughing at.
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Nothing in my comment suggested that you were pro-Isolator so I dont know where you get that from. If you're referring to the "you" in the last sentence, it's a common proverb and is not specifically directed at you. If anyone it would be directed at the "certain subsection" referenced in the previous sentence.
Anyway I, unlike you, dont see this as "botched" or "thoughtless" so any future predictions of doom dont apply as far as Im concerned. And whatever your opinion of this I happen to think that this qualifies as a rather unique situation and cant really imagine anything in future being handled in a similar manner.
Hey look, im for it and no I dont think it should be based on senority, that came out wrong, forgot about that other post, my point is this, I havent read the other threads, I have yet to understand why ppl dont wat a new badge even if it is harder than rocket man or reformed.
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