oooh.... speculation time! in the kheldian story guide:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showf...c=#Post4569535
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Shadowstar's been mentioned in "ancient egypt," which gives us 2000-5000 years to work with. Board speculation (or bored speculation?) came up with an interesting idea - that Egyptian funeral rites could have been influenced by experience with the Nictus, with the Pyramids as a hiding point for a Cyst. Nothing in game supporting it, but it's an interesting idea to play with. (Fuzun.)
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might nictus and khelds have a tie-in with BotBS.... hmmm
although, of course, the fact that one warshade was around in ancient Egypt doesn't mean their speculation is correct, or that BotBS have anything to do with it... but still... might be possible, seeing as they're both shapeshifters. Maybe BotBS learned a little something from Shadowstar and any other khelds aroundabouts.
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BTW here is direct text, the 2 clues from the final mish of Mr.Bocor's arc.
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After you defeated him, 'Duke' Mordrogar started babling incoherently: 'I understand now. This was all arranged. Our hiring, Gadzul, the fires, Bocor and his blackmail, even you stopping us. It's a connection, that' what they wanted! I see it all now! I have seen the great circuit! The shape of the oil sees only the truth! It is the struggle! The circuit, the connection, it is all the blood of the black stream!
He just started laughing incoherently after that. You really aren't sure what he was talking about, but the mad light in his eyes made it hard to forget.
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This old handwritten book is the personal journal of Padre Hardi, a jesuit priest who came to the Rogue Isles hundreds of years ago. There are lots of notes about the land and people he met there, and then the entries start to become strange, talking about a great battle on the mountain and sealing a demon away. One thing that sticks out to you is that the first few entries start right after Padre Hardi left Egypt after getting some clue about the island from a mysterious source there.
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so... the BotBS definitely might have ties to demons, the hellions, the oils spill, and oil in general... and they wanted that book found. hmmmm
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So... who wants to bet that's Incarnates?
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It's not. I saw a post from states that says its the aviians.
sweetness! hope that issue comes soon =P
You shouldn't assosciate the BotBS with the Kheldians just because they can shapeshift. It's actually a very (almost) common trait in the comic book genre, not that everyone can do it, but when it does happend, it's like "oh.. oh well." Besides, the BotBS seems to be more connected to Magical origin than of alien origin.
The Oil Spill, the wreck of the Cairo Queen, Gadzul Oil, the hiring of the Hellions: still all a mystery. It's unsolved.
Also, the fact that the Legacy Chain is involved makes it more easier to take in that the BotBS are of Magical origin, and by magic I mean cults, pentagrams, summoning ghosts and demons, etc. So the Kheldians' sci-fi theme definitely doesn't fit in there.
And btw, the demons they're talking about are the Bat'zuls in the "Beast Beneath the Mountain" SF. I didn't pay attention to the story so who knows if it had any clues.
I highly doubt the Kheldians have any ties with the BotBS. Besides, it wouldn't make sense to expand the Kheldian story. It's unfair to not just the other EATs, but to the players who play other EATs. I don't think the devs would want to continue the story of one EAT, because that would mean more work for them on the other EATs, expanding their story.
So it's highly unlikely.
And also, Padre Henri's son or descendant, Father Martin Henri had conflicts with Children of Enos - the Mu. If there's any connection, it would be the great war between Ermeeth and Hequat, just like how the Coralax had their spotlight during that time.
Anyway, to get back on track, the BotBS didn't want the book, it was never said that they did. The Hellions, or rather, Duke Mordrogar wanted it for it's power. You were supposed to retrieve it for Mr. Bocor, which you did.
Come to think of it, that arc barely has anything to do with the BotBS. It shows the connections, but that's all.
The story arc is still unsolved. You're left with blabs and hints, but that's all.
I would think each EAT would have their own unique story of their own, eventhough the Coralax are connected to so much - not to mention all four Patrons are part of their story wether their roles are small or big.
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So... who wants to bet that's Incarnates?
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It's not. I saw a post from states that says its the aviians.
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What post? I'm a Dev Digest freak and I haven't seen anything.
I remember States' last game address, but all he said was "coralax- think underwater and avilan - think wings".. or something like that.
With I7 coming out soon:
I would like to ask for [anyone] who might be interested enough, that they report to me any EAT clues, or potential clues that are in I7. Wether it be from SFs, missions, or whatever, I'd gladly appreciate your help and contribution.
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Beyond that, we are looking to release another Issue building up the story towards our next retail box, due in 2007...this will include...a bunch of other cool stuff including new powersets and an epic archetype...The retail box will be an expansion to both City of Heroes and City of Villains.
From Statesman and Posi's address
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What if, perhaps, that EAT is Incarnates, and the entire expansion is built around that to a degree, as a certain theme? Some sort of entirely new game world only accessable to Incarnates? They're available to both heroes and villains, thus, but sort of being an upgrade, bringing them into their own seperate department...neither hero nor villain any longer, but sort of 'too powerful to be put in either section'
Check my post on (normal forum mode) pg 10, #5400755. 
For short (or not): sure, it may and could be the Incarnates, but from what we know, the Avilans and the Coralax are the ones more likely to be implemented first, seeing as they already had their head start wether it's being designed or having their story already in the game. So if it were to be the Incarnates in that next expansion, I would assume the Coralax and Avilans would be in I9 and I8 - but ofcourse, that's just speculation. Although official progress of the EATs should count for something.
Just IMO, the Incarnate seems more like a "god-mode" status-giving role. I mean, look at Statesman and Lord Recluse. We can't be as strong as them.. otherwise everyone will try their crack at being the leader of.. whatever we wish to be. We can't all be demigods 
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You shouldn't assosciate the BotBS with the Kheldians just because they can shapeshift. It's actually a very (almost) common trait in the comic book genre, not that everyone can do it, but when it does happend, it's like "oh.. oh well."
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I realize this... I agree now the two EATs are totally unrelated. I was more making a connection between Egypt AND the shapeshifting, not just the shapeshifting =P
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Anyway, to get back on track, the BotBS didn't want the book, it was never said that they did. The Hellions, or rather, Duke Mordrogar wanted it for it's power. You were supposed to retrieve it for Mr. Bocor, which you did.
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Note that I said they wanted it FOUND... not the book itself. check the quote from Duke Mordgrar, and it sais:
'Duke' Mordrogar started babling incoherently: 'I understand now. This was all arranged. Our hiring, Gadzul, the fires, Bocor and his blackmail, even you stopping us. It's a connection, that' what they wanted! I see it all now! I have seen the great circuit! The shape of the oil sees only the truth! It is the struggle! The circuit, the connection, it is all the blood of the black stream!
I.E. the BotBS arranged the whole thing... (Mr. Bocor's story arc)
All we really know is that the BotBS have huge links to oil and demons. Posi earlier confirmed the Nile/Black Stream thing, but what if Black Stream has a double meaning... Nile and oil. They also have SOMETHING to do with the hellions and Gadzul Oil.
On a slightly diff note, what if they are humanoid oil-forms? ...
back in a sec with info from the SF if i can find it on that site with almost all the story arc temp power and SF info
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All we really know is that the BotBS have huge links to oil and demons. Posi earlier confirmed the Nile/Black Stream thing, but what if Black Stream has a double meaning... Nile and oil. They also have SOMETHING to do with the hellions and Gadzul Oil.
On a slightly diff note, what if they are humanoid oil-forms? ...
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LOL that would be weird. There sure might be a connection with the Blood of the Black Stream and the Gadzul Oil company but what that might be.. who knows. Oil and Black Stream does sound alike, but hm.. I don't know. Oil humanoids aren't really all that.. attractive? lol.
I would think they would be more.. traditional.. as in egyptian symbolisms, arcane magic, pyramids, sphynxes, tombs, snakes and all.
Also, Posi didn't confirm it, nobody did IIRC. Although, Manticore did praise a certain user when they posted a link stating that "Black Stream" is one of the terms used to describe the Nile. It's not really a confirmation, but it might be.
And about the first SF - here's something about Padre Henri, and most likely the reason why Martin Henri (son/descendant) continued to banish the Children of Enos from the Rogue Isles:
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This book is a translation of the Journal of Father Gerard Henri, a French monk and reputed master of mystic powers who worked for the French government in the 17th century. According to entries in the Journal, Henri came to the Rogue Isles in response to tales of a demon-worshipping cult called the Children of Enos. He arrived to find both the Cultists and the Garrison sent to fight them wiped out. There are pages missing, but what's left talks at great lengths about the preparations Henri and his cohorts went through to face something the Cultists had summoned from the depths of the netherworld in their desperation. Something Henri felt was too powerful for him to destroy, but could be contained within the mountain. Something called Bat'Zul.
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It doesn't really say much, all that happend right after he left Egypt. Someone told him to, though, who that someone is, nobody knows.
about the Coralax, a mission from Crash Cage sends u after coral, and Mr. Bocor sais that mysterious events with the coral will come to a head on Sharkhead Isle.... hmm
maybe entrance to Coralax zone(s?) in SI
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making 2-3 coralax zones would be neat, but do we even have confirmation of even one?
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about the Coralax, a mission from Crash Cage sends u after coral, and Mr. Bocor sais that mysterious events with the coral will come to a head on Sharkhead Isle.... hmm
maybe entrance to Coralax zone(s?) in SI
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He's referring to the "Temple of Waters" SF, in which, indicates that the (living) coral is part of the living (and apparently made of coral) Leviathan sleeping under Sharkhead Isle, which was entombed by the Mu goddess Hequat when Calystix summoned it to devour the Mu, for that island, which back then, was raised from the ocean to be made into the island of the Mu, was originally one of the many places the Coralax inhabited. Not necessarily their main home, but it was one of them.
So to make it short, Mr. Bocor was referring to the coral being part of the Leviathan, and Sharkhead was once Mu (island), and Mu (island) was once a home for some Coralax - more specifically, Calystix and his/her people.
Fun fact: Coral are both male and female.
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making 2-3 coralax zones would be neat, but do we even have confirmation of even one?
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Statesman has always said we're going to have an underwater zone. Along with the very descriptive Coralax city on the Coralax-Hybrids bio, I have no problem assuming that the underwater zone will be the main Coralax city.
very cool ty
they should make multiple 
btw i just want to make the quick connection, about the earlier Recluse Hades/Titan discussion... note that Hades still schemed for Olympus, if I'm right... and Recluse's main goal is to take Paragon. Hmmm.
omg test is up! woot!
I just found some unofficial quotes from Bridger about the Coralax EAT:
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All have been mentioned as ideas that Cryptic would like to do at some point.
As others have pointed out, Issue #7 may feature some time-travelling action.
Submariner is one of Statesman's favourite comic heroes (and the coralax are an aquatic race), so I think underwater stuff is very likely.
And no comic-book game would be complete without adventures in space.
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I think it's worth bearing in mind that, to the best of my knowledge, the 'coralax' in CoV are actually coralax Hybrids.
According to this background info (coming to the European CoV site soon - we're doing some additional design to create a good place for this kind of info), the coralax have a 'slave race' called the 'Virtea'.
My guess (and this is pure speculation, not based on any 'insider info' of any kind, and so could well be wrong) is that there will be a 'true' coralax Epic AT and a Virtea Epic AT (in the same way that Kheldians have Peacebringers and Warshades). I would suspect that coralax would be villainous, and Virtea heroic.
I also suspect that the coralax Epics will tie in with some form of underwater addition to the game.
Of course, I could well be completely wrong, but I like speculating as much as you guys.
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While it's true that the Coralax themselves don't appear to be very friendly towards humanity as a whole, they do have a slave race, the Virtea. It's quite likely that the Virtea don't like the Coralax very much (being enslaved for millennia can have that effect) and so they might be quite willing to work with humans.
So, in theory, Coralax could be a Villain Epic and Virtea could be a Hero Epic.
Please note that this is pure speculation on my behalf, and should not be seen as an 'official' confirmation of anything. I honestly don't know what Cryptic's plans for the Coralax are.
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Like he said, it's his guess, but that's what I thought of right away when I first encountered the Virtea in the Coralax bio. It would be interesting if things turn out they way they do.
As for the avian players in the game, I think they would be happy to know that the Avilans just might make it to I8, officially confirmed by Matt Miller, aka Manticore:
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Issue 7, or I7, brings the City of Villains up to date with City of Heroes. Most of the content added is for the villain side, including 10 more levels of game play, a new 40-50 zone called Grandville, and new power sets. Both CoH and CoV players also have access to a slew of new costume choices and base items, and the new 40-50 PvP Zone, Recluses Victory. Note on costume choices, while wings arent appearing in I7, Miller told MMORPG.com that they will aiming to have them ready for Issue 8.
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I8 will definitely hit sometime this year, but as to when is still unconfirmed. I would make a guess and say between Q3 and Q4.
Pardon my previous post, I meant to say Positron.
Anyway, from the OC meet-n-greet, a few things have been confirmed.
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I asked Matt if Avilans and BotBS are still on the board, but he misunderstood my questions and said that they will not be the next EAT released. This leads me to speculate that villains will probably get Coralax EATs in I8.
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So here's to hoping it will be the Coralax for I8.. *raises glass*
And according to Terminotaur:
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It seems as if the devs have taken it in consideration. Well, let's hope the game doesn't turn into City of Wings, which was my fear before, but I guess we'll see how this turns out.
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And according to Terminotaur:
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Wings, Trenchcoats - Both are coming very soon. Trenchcoats will be unlocked by the long term subscriber program. Wings are costume options and will not be specific to any certain AT.
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It seems as if the devs have taken it in consideration. Well, let's hope the game doesn't turn into City of Wings, which was my fear before, but I guess we'll see how this turns out.
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For Trenchcoats - Yay! I think that's excellent, it will allow anyone to, potentially, get trenchcoat, without allowing EVERYONE to - no City of Neo-Wannabes.
About the Wings - I dunno how I feel about that. When I first heard they were gonna be an EAT, I was somewhat dissapointed by this, thinking 'But I want to potentially be able to blast, OR fly in and melee!' but I've since realized that that could EASILY be more then possible.
Furthermore, making wings available to any AT, reguardless of the Avilan EAT, will, doubtless, result in, as you said, City of Wings. Don't get me wrong, I think wings are cool, and will assuredly make at least 1 character with wings. In fact, my demonicly possessed Necro/Dark MM, Asto Vidatu would love a set of wings on one of his costumes (each costume is a further perversion of his human body down the road of possession. His final costume would look AWESOME with wings)
Reguardless, I'm hoping they make wings, as a costume option, unlocked for all your characters, by unlocking the Avilan EAT however that will be done, that way, there will, hopefully, at least, not be so many of them. I'm also hoping that Avilans will be unlocked by the new Veteran Rewards system, and only after you've played for quite awhile - perhaps 2 years. Granted, that will make me ineligible for quite awhile, having joined the community JUST before last years anniversary, but still, I don't want to see hordes of people running around with wings. We're supposed to be Super-Heros/Villains here, not Angels/Demons. Thats a different game...
wait, what if like trench coats, some of the eATs are unlocked by total subscription time?
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wait, what if like trench coats, some of the eATs are unlocked by total subscription time?
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Sounds good to me. Makes it easily possible for anyone to get them, without them being everywhere.
In fact, though it may take awhile for it to happen, I can guarentee you, that at LEAST one EAT for each faction will be unlocked in this way.
I PM'ed Posi about avilans or costume piece. He only said and i quote "costume piece". And i realy wanted the avilans. Threre were the only new EAT i was looking forward too. 
. So i guess we can stop talking about avilans
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I PM'ed Posi about avilans or costume piece. He only said and i quote "costume piece". And i realy wanted the avilans. Threre were the only new EAT i was looking forward too. . So i guess we can stop talking about avilans
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There is no way I'll believe this unless a red-name personally posts it in the forums somewhere. It's already far too 'confirmed' as a new EAT.
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Choose a god/goddess/higher being to be reincarnated with or be personfied with, or something like that. But that's just pure speculation.
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Ok, now I know I'm reaching waaay back in text here, but maybe a thought for incarnates. I like the idea of reincarnation, but I think we're missing the obvious here for endgame content. Reincarnate. Think about it, hit level 50, play around for X amount of time, then go through a special tf, in which you get too choose a patron diety, and are then reincarnated as a level 1 incarnate.
If this has already been speculated I apoligize, i just had to say it, and I had only gotten that far in reading as of yet.
indeed