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Wouldn't a fallen PB not make sense? I mean, they're peaceful people, if they fall, they become a third party..
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I don't see where you come to that concusion. If they were to fall, it would almost definitely be by joining the Nictus. I can't understand, really where you'd come to the conclusion that by falling, they'd have to become a third party...
I mean...I don't see why a fallen PB makes less sense then a redeemed Nictus...
Well ok let's remember the Kheldian history:
The normal Kheldian (or in a way, Peacebringer) lives only up to 10 years long. Some of these Kheldians didn't approve, so they scientifically enhanced themselves, hence, the Nictus. These Nictus feed on Kheldians to become immortal. If these fallen Kheldian would team up with the Nictus, wouldn't the Nictus want to eat these fallen Kheldian, and in return, wouldn't these fallen Kheldian want to fight against the Nictus?
That's where I got "third party" from. The fallen PBs are against the PBs, and they can't team up with the Nictus because they'll eat them.
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Well ok let's remember the Kheldian history:
The normal Kheldian (or Peacebringer) lives only up to 10 years long. Some of these Kheldians didn't approve, so they scientifically enhanced themselves, hence, the Nictus. These Nictus feed on Kheldians. If these fallen Kheldian would team up with the Nictus, wouldn't the Nictus want to eat these fallen Kheldian, and in return, would want to fight against them?
That's where I got "third party" from.
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Not at all. The Nictus have plenty of potential "food" in the PB Kheldians who oppose them. Especially in their currently 'weakened' state as a group, as evil as the Nictus may be, it would be foolish to turn down help from a PB.
Do Warshades, being Nictus, want to feed off of the good-PB? Of course not, it would be too short-sighted.
Now, should the Nictus win their little war with the rest of the Kheldians, then sure, they might, at that point decide to try and start feeding off the fallen PB, but not before then.
And even still, what do you think the primary motivation would be for a PB to join the Nictus? The potential for a little 'help' in that little 10-year lifespan problem.
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Not at all. The Nictus have plenty of potential "food" in the PB Kheldians who oppose them. Especially in their currently 'weakened' state as a group, as evil as the Nictus may be, it would be foolish to turn down help from a PB.
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Hm, I just keep thinking "why would I help people who want to eat me?"
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Do Warshades, being Nictus, want to feed off of the good-PB? Of course not, it would be too short-sighted.
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Warshades made a pact with the Peacebringers, so they wouldn't.
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Now, should the Nictus win their little war with the rest of the Kheldians, then sure, they might, at that point decide to try and start feeding off the fallen PB, but not before then.
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Still, making them a third party. Well, that, or just lackeys.
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And even still, what do you think the primary motivation would be for a PB to join the Nictus? The potential for a little 'help' in that little 10-year lifespan problem.
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But what would the fallen PBs get out of this..?
Besides always having to look back their shoulder I mean, lol.
Wouldn't they want to be turned into Nictus?
I understand what you're saying about the fallen PBs helping the Nictus get more PBs, but some things are still unclear to me. Just as a reminder, I'm basing my conclusions from the Kheldian story arcs. I'm not saying I'm right nor am I wrong.
I'm not sure how I feel about villainous Khelds. I mean, I've wanted a Kheld for a while now, and my first 50 will definitly be a Villain, so that's kinda nice. But on the flip side, heroes get TWO Kheld ATs to choose from. I can only see how we'll get one (Nictus) unless the Nictus have some fancy new version you can also pick from *shrugs*
Also, it DOES sound like we'll be getting Wings soon, but does that mean we'll see Avilians? I always assumed the reason they wanted Avilians was to allow winged characters, but if they're just going to slap them on our costumes (are they animated? It would rock if they were... and if they are... can they animate our tails at last?), do we really need a whole AT for them?
This suggests to me that IF we see Avilians, it won't be for some time. Looks kinda like they did what they often do, which is scrap an idea and recycle the best bits for the game.
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I'm not sure how I feel about villainous Khelds. I mean, I've wanted a Kheld for a while now, and my first 50 will definitly be a Villain, so that's kinda nice. But on the flip side, heroes get TWO Kheld ATs to choose from. I can only see how we'll get one (Nictus) unless the Nictus have some fancy new version you can also pick from *shrugs*
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The lvl 50 requirement is no longer gonna be used, but instead, we'll be doing a SF/trial.
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Also, it DOES sound like we'll be getting Wings soon, but does that mean we'll see Avilians? I always assumed the reason they wanted Avilians was to allow winged characters, but if they're just going to slap them on our costumes (are they animated? It would rock if they were... and if they are... can they animate our tails at last?), do we really need a whole AT for them?
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No Avilans, just wings as costume parts, and I've always assumed the same thing, that the Avilans are the solution to people who want wings, thus, limiting the "winged" population, but I guess I'm wrong since the devs just sprung that up out of nowhere. Wether or not they're animated is beyond me, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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This suggests to me that IF we see Avilians, it won't be for some time. Looks kinda like they did what they often do, which is scrap an idea and recycle the best bits for the game.
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Hm, I just keep thinking "why would I help people who want to eat me?"
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Um...so they wouldn't eat you?
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Do Warshades, being Nictus, want to feed off of the good-PB? Of course not, it would be too short-sighted.
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Warshades made a pact with the Peacebringers, so they wouldn't.
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So why can't the Nictus make a similar agreement with fallen Khelds?
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I understand what you're saying about the fallen PBs helping the Nictus get more PBs, but some things are still unclear to me. Just as a reminder, I'm basing my conclusions from the Kheldian story arcs. I'm not saying I'm right nor am I wrong.
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I can definitely see your point in this, and why a potential fallen Peacebringer wouldn't want to join the Nictus, though I can still see it as being possible. Even so, however, assuming a fallen Peacebringer would never, in a million years, join the Nictus...why does that mean we can't play them?
They're still fallen, which means they're still villains, afterall...
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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.
I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.
In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.
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I can definitely see your point in this, and why a potential fallen Peacebringer wouldn't want to join the Nictus, though I can still see it as being possible. Even so, however, assuming a fallen Peacebringer would never, in a million years, join the Nictus...why does that mean we can't play them?
They're still fallen, which means they're still villains, afterall...
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Well, anything's possible is what I'd say.
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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.
I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.
In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.
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His comment seemed somewhat clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement is still the same. Though.. you'd think the devs would know better than to make the same mistake (in which the lvl 50 requirement was.)
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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.
I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.
In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.
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His comment seemed somewhat clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement is still the same. Though.. you'd think the devs would know better than to make the same mistake (in which the lvl 50 requirement was.)
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I dunno. Seems kinda nice to have something to work towards, an end-goal that's unlocked when you "finish" the game.
But I wouldn't want it twice, and I can think of better EAT concepts to use for the idea (Incarnates, namely, presuming they really are an uber-class like everyone seems to think they are).
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Hmm, I'm not so sure. I had heard, some time ago, that "new EATs wouldn't be unlocked by hitting 50," but I don't think that Warshades are a "new" AT.
I really suspect that comment relates the Expansion EAT, not the villain Warshade. It wouldn't be the first time they wrote about the Expansion AT in a confusing manner.
In particular, it seems odd the heroes would unlock their Khelds by hitting 50, but we have to do a SF to get it. I'd rather have Khelds at 50 and whatever new AT by SF.
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His comment seemed somewhat clear, but I wouldn't be surprised if the requirement is still the same. Though.. you'd think the devs would know better than to make the same mistake (in which the lvl 50 requirement was.)
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I dunno. Seems kinda nice to have something to work towards, an end-goal that's unlocked when you "finish" the game.
But I wouldn't want it twice, and I can think of better EAT concepts to use for the idea (Incarnates, namely, presuming they really are an uber-class like everyone seems to think they are).
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The end-goal thing, according to the devs was a bad idea, since not everyone *can* get to lvl 50, being one of the devs' mottos are to make and encourage alt-itis. So for them to force that requirement on the players would very much oppose.. themselves.
As far as the Incarnates, yes, it's the perfect concept for such a requirement, and it's funny because people are probably assuming they're some sort of god-mode AT since.. well.. look what it did to States and LR, but as far as that goes, I have a bad feeling (since I'm not into the whole Incarnates EAT) that it might be what Positron was talking about in the interview when he said you can "make your (lvl 50) characters better, then better again, and then even better", which be an alternative, or rather, would equate to extending the lvl cap to 60.
But the thing that opposes that is that, since there will be just one EAT in the expansion box, the Coralax may be another candidate since Posi mentioned heroes and villains will be uniting to fight a "common foe." Overall, it got me thinking, what if the Incarnates is now seen as an "upgrade" instead of an EAT?
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When I wrote that, for some reason I thought Posi meant that the "make your lvl 50 better" feature will be in the box, but he meant I8, so nevermind the whole "I think it'll be the Incarnate for the expansion box thing."
Actually, if I read both that interview and the address correctly, the "upgrade" system will be in BOTH Issue 9 and the boxed expansion set.
From what I've heard before, this sounds VERY much like the "Legends" system that Statesman has been working on for a long time. They've also mentioned that "City of Legends" might be the name of the next expansion (alternately, City of Shadows), and that seems consistent with this whole discussion of upping your level 50s.
So I wouldn't be surprised to see Incarnates in the boxed set. I WANT Coralax, but I think it'll be Incarnates.
Though I'd add that "City of Legends" isn't necessarily very consistent with the idea of a new theme zone or two. It isn't INCONSISTENT, but not terribly consistent either *shrugs*
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WINGS IN I8 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!positron said so when he was in atlas park on my server. My friend told me 
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Yeah, I know. 
Check page 12.
I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.
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YAY, I could give a flip about the EAT. My toon is an angel, it's about time she had wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!
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Actually, if I read both that interview and the address correctly, the "upgrade" system will be in BOTH Issue 9 and the boxed expansion set.
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Issue 8
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From what I've heard before, this sounds VERY much like the "Legends" system that Statesman has been working on for a long time. They've also mentioned that "City of Legends" might be the name of the next expansion (alternately, City of Shadows), and that seems consistent with this whole discussion of upping your level 50s.
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Yeah, I remember that. Someone came up with 'Shadows' and he said he liked it (States), and I also remember him saying random, vague, stuff about the next expansion. 'Spies' was also a candidate name.
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So I wouldn't be surprised to see Incarnates in the boxed set. I WANT Coralax, but I think it'll be Incarnates.
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To be honest, I only expected the Incarnates because I thought it would be what the lvl 50 "upgrade" will turn out to be. Now that we know the lvl 50 "upgrade" is coming in I8 (said specifically in the interview) I don't know anymore. What do you think?
For me, what Positron said about the expansion, about how it will give heroes and villains a chance to team up and "fight a common foe" makes me think it might be the Coralax (because of the whole anti-human/land-walker thing.)
I'M JUST HAPPY ABOUT WINGS YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For me, what Positron said about the expansion, about how it will give heroes and villains a chance to team up and "fight a common foe" makes me think it might be the Coralax (because of the whole anti-human/land-walker thing.)
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I dunno, I kind of suspect that the 'common foe' will either be something entirely new, that we wouldn't suspect, or possibly just something old...that we still might not initially suspect - Rikti, Praetorians, perhaps the return of the 5th Column? The last seems doubtable, but...I want to see the 5th come back, dang it! They're just too cool to let die...
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For me, what Positron said about the expansion, about how it will give heroes and villains a chance to team up and "fight a common foe" makes me think it might be the Coralax (because of the whole anti-human/land-walker thing.)
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I dunno, I kind of suspect that the 'common foe' will either be something entirely new, that we wouldn't suspect, or possibly just something old...that we still might not initially suspect - Rikti, Praetorians, perhaps the return of the 5th Column? The last seems doubtable, but...I want to see the 5th come back, dang it! They're just too cool to let die...
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Didn't Positron say something about the 5th coming back in I8? I could have sworn he did.. well, anyway, it would be awesome if they came back the same time as the Nictus(?) EAT comes out and they're somehow linked to them.
As far as the Coralax, I just think it's logical since there might be an underwater zone in the expansion box. Connect that with heroes and villains teaming up against a common foe, and huala! BUT.. I'm not getting my hopes up.
wings!!!!!!!!!!!!, sorry I'll stop that now
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WINGS IN I8 FTW!!!!!!!!!!!positron said so when he was in atlas park on my server. My friend told me
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Yeah, I know.
Check page 12.
I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.
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I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.
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Yes! No. They will be EAT.
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Yeah, I know.
Check page 12.
I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.
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Well, unless the devs say so, I doubt it. They're already designed and waiting for the right time to get implemented according to the devs. So.. yeah.
no, the new threat is a new villain group. does anyone remember when the invention system was announced? well they described a new villain group, the bastion or batallion i think, which would be very resistant to normal damage powers but verry susceptible to crafted powers. mega-lame.
as far as wings in i8, i would not be surprised if both the costume piece and the EAT were included, there would be too much of an uproar if it were otherwise.
nictus in i8, not surprising at all, i've thought about it for a while myself and while it would be cool to have i'd much rather see coralax or avians. i might want to see bloods if i knew more about them. and villainous khelds already exist in the pb and shade arcs. they con at boss level and can be seen as 'white dwarves' and 'bright novas'. check them out, fun stuff to brawl against. i would not be surprised if the nictus was a warshade who was not confined by moral boundries and could use it's soul extraction abilities on living enemies instead of dead ones. the evil khelds, or the 'warbringers'? if they exist, i can't see being any different than standard peacebringers and would make a lame EAT in my oppinion.
What will Issue 8 have?
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Yeah, I know.
Check page 12.
I posted about it last week I think. They're only wings as costume options though. They're not the Avilans EAT.